MrB
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Well, I must disagree only because of my personal experience. I had a 90 day deferred on an asault/battery and later had the thing expunged and there is not a trace of it today and that was about 6 years ago.
Once they are expunged, they're gone. NOw, if there is a public site not connected to the government, then I can see where it would still show up in the WWW.
MrB
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quincy
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Phlebomom- Im so sorry about this whole thing!! It looks like the pharmacy and the DEA were watching your PM doc, and targeting his patients. You just happend to do something that is kind of toeing the line and they busted you for it. Don't worry about them telling you you are a drug addict and need treatment. I would get a good lawyer and fight that. Probabtion is almost as bad as being in jail- and you could get marked as an addict forever when it isn't true. I don't understand how people who are trained in Law, not Medicine can get away with calling everyone who gets a drug-related charge an "addict". I would also get the PM doc involved and tell them what happened to you. IF he knew about the other script then the city shouldn't have a case. But in a legal system that can charge a man with domestic violence for a verbal argument with his girlfriend and force him to do 6 months in jail for it, nothing surprises me!! Your case is Best if kept off the board, just like the legal Best if kept off the board I am going through. My man, who has his faults but has never hit me, is in jail from a verbal argument we had one night. Sure it was loud and emotiional and I was crying- hell, so was he almost- but the police came and charged him with harassment because I was red and crying. They treated me like I was lying when I told them I wasn't hurt physically, and then wanted me to repeat the argument we had had verbatim. Well when I told him the circumstances of the evening and what was said during the fight, they pounced on one little detail and said it was a "threat" and may endanger my life!! They made him leave the home and then a no contact order was put on, despite my protestations. I guess Im not responsible enough to know who to love and live with, the state has to make that decision for me. I guess they don't care that a man loses his home and kids and his life because he yelled at his wife or girlfriend. I tried to get the no contact order lifted, but no one seemed to care. I ignored it, and that was a mistake I shouldn't have. The court found out that we were still together and threw him in jail on a felony!! He was threatened with 10 years in prision so he pleaded guilty to 6 months. All because he came home late and I got mad and we argued!! My God, my ex husband put my head thru a wall and didn't do a day of jail time. I guess trying to keep a family together is a crime, and the innocent have to suffer because we don't have the money to hire a real lawyer.
Sorry this is far off topic, but I have no love for the legal system right now. I think they are trying to screw you over like they did to us. If you can afford a lawyer, then get one and fight this. Im really wondering about the people who make these stupid laws!! They are more like rules that us "children" must follow, we are not responsible to manage our own lives. Thats is how I feel the law treats us- and some doctors. Sad things are happening to so many that are good, moral people. Mistakes are made and they have to pay so much. ITs sad and it makes me mad!!
SArah 
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IMSUSCOT1
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Not sure what state you live in...but Norco & Percocet are TWO totally DIFFERENT drugs...norco is hydrocodone and is a sched III, Percocet is a sched to, oxycodone....Are they arresting you because your PCP didn't know about the Pain Doc?..cuz they can't be arresting you for dd meds...you weren't...I have scripts for oxycontin & percocet...they are the same drug...oxycodone..one is time released...if I lived in your state, would I be arrested? I think you need some legal council....my dear...Sounds like you're becoming a pawn in a case the state wants to make against the pain doctor....they may try to get you to "go back in & request bogus scripts" by telling you they'll make this arrest "go away"....when the validity of the arrest itself is questionable...did you talk to an attorney?
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IMSUSCOT1
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Sounds like she was indicted by the grand jury...meaning they have probable cause & the state is willing to persue a case....and it may be for more than dr shopping....don't know what she told them in her testimony before grand jury...but sounds serious...and no, they would have waited for the indictment from grand jurt
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quincy
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I have been questioned by the police before, and I was the so called "victim" in the case. They treated me like I did somethign wrong, trying to get me to change my story, saying things like: "are you sure it didn't happen like this?" and so forth. I freak out when I get pulled over by a state trooper, and if the DEA came to interrogate me I would probably blabber everything. I would be freaked out and tell them what I thought they wanted to hear. This is what happened in my own bogus DV case, they used my own statement against me, and lied to me. There is no law that keeps the law enforcement officers from lying to you when they are questioning you. In fact that is common to get you to spill your guts out. I think she freaked out and incriminated herself, not meaning to. And what if you get an overzealous prosecuter who is totally anti-drug, the kind that won't even take asprin, and he goes and overdramatises the facts of her case in front of a grand jury. I could see that happening, and with all the hype now about the dangers of prescription drugs and how hydro is the fastest growing addiction, then its very possible she is being used as an example. I feel sorry for her and I think she needs a good lawyer.
Sarah
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intrepid1
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Would it be indiscreet to ask who the PM doc was?
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digitalone
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phlebomom,
Sorry to hear about your situation. Sounds like you got off very easy, given the situation. Good for you. I've served time for possession of a C.S. (Unrelated to any prescription meds). I had a few priors, so that didn't help at all. Did the doctors ask you if you were already on medication? Also, that 90-day jail thing. Don't let that get you down. You really have to screw-up, ie.. like dirty UA's or another arrest to see that sentence. It doesn't sound like that's bound to happen with you. Best of luck and perhaps you'll get an early release of the adjudication. Regards. 
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gage
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IM SORRY BUT I REALLY THINK YOU SHOULDVE (HINDSIGHT)EITHER HIRED AN ATTORNEY OR ASKED FOR A PUBLIC PRETENDER.
IM NO LAWYER BUT ID BET YOU COULDVE GOT THE WHOLE THING THROWN OUT!!! WITH NOTHING!!!
THEY MAKE DEALS TO AVOID COURT BATTLES AND THAT COST THE COUNTY MONEY.
AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED WITH THE LIMITED INFO. IVE READ HERE
YOU WERE WROUNGLY CONVICTED
MY SUGGESTION FOR ANYONE IS NEVER MAKE ANY STATEMENTS OTHER THAN ID LIKE AN ATTORNEY, TO A COP!!!!
BELEIVE ME YOU SURE DONT WANT TO SPEND ANY TIME IN ANY JAIL
THATS A WHOLE NEW DIMENSION TO INHUMAN
NOT MANY KNOW HOW BADLY PEOPLE LOCKED UP ARE TREATED, NOW IM NOT TALKING ABOUT KILLERS AND RAPIST ETC. BUT THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO MADE A SIMPLE MISTAKE OR EVEN BROKE A FEW MINOR LAWS, GETS THE SAME TREATMENT IN COUNTY JAILS AS A BANKROBBER OR CHILD MOLESTER!!
WHY DO YOU THINK SO MANY DRUNK DRIVERS HANG THEMSELVES IN SOME COUNTY JAIL, THEY COME TOO AND THINK THERE LIFE IS OVER
SO THEY FREAK AND REALLY END IT!!!
SORRY TO RANT ABOUT INHUMAN CONDITIONS IN COUNTY JAILS, BUT JUST ASK YOUR LOCAL SHERIFF FOR A QUICK TOUR SOMETIME  GAGE
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digitalone
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gage,
I'm assuming your post was intended for phlebomom.  Your reply was to me and my situation was quite different and did not involve presciption drugs, ie.. guilty as charged - LOL. You're right on many of your points though. Take care.
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Opie_Yates
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Yeah...I had a soul buddy they threw into Harris County for 30 days because he was 20 minutes late returning his children from visitation. It took the guy a solid year to stop having nightmares.
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LumbarSpasm
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Glad tou posted that. I always thought that getting- for instance oxycodone from one doctor and hydrocone from another was doctor shopping unless each doctor knew about the other.
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Trampy
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Quote:
Well, I must disagree only because of my personal experience. I had a 90 day deferred on an asault/battery and later had the thing expunged and there is not a trace of it today and that was about 6 years ago.
Once they are expunged, they're gone. NOw, if there is a public site not connected to the government, then I can see where it would still show up in the WWW.MrB
You're lucky. I was arrested on a petty misdemeanor over 20 years ago and got a "adjourned with contemplation of dismissal" which should have been expunged because i had no charges against me in the next six months. Well, they put it in the FBI's NCIC and more than 20 years later it still comes up. Had a routine traffic stop and the cop asked me if i lived in that state in the 1970s. Huh?!? The charge was only a low misdemeanor: theft of services. My fingerprints are still in the FBI's database of criminals.
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zorg
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The EXACT same thing is happening with me, misdemeanor in 1990 is showing up in the NCIC. Um, I just realized, this may be why I get searched half of the time I get pulled over. Hasn't blocked any purchases I make that check NCIC, but now I'm wondering why I always get held up and searched.... (aside from looking like a kid in an expensive car)
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prettyday
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Ironically, I was completely drug-free, but decided to go drinking and driving one night; embarrassing; engaged lawyer; got pleaded down from DUI to 'wet reckless', but if I were to get pulled over again in the next---ten years, I think?--and charged, they would both count, and that would be my second DUI--here we refer to that stupidity as "the $10,000 dollar cocktail." But people seem to think they will beat the odds! Instead I would consider myself more prone now to attention, and I really think out times of meds, half-lives, the whole thing. I pray that will be enough. I don't want to kill someone by accident.
Point made is this--I was assured with good behavior and compliance with fines, my record would be expunged.
Well, that's not what I learned in awareness class.
My dear friends, I am pretty sure that everything anyone has ever done, no matter how unimportant it is, could be neatly assembled into a dossier within 48 hours. We are talking one's deceased kindergarten teacher's attendance book right up to what you bought and where you bought it an hour ago. It is not that hard.
This is not paranoia, it is resignation.
I got really mad when I saw one article lately that said pharmacists should be suspicious of people paying cash. I can think of many reasons why someone would want to pay cash besides any official offense, and they are all private and legal for that someone.
I never thought I would be a survivalist, but little by little, I am understanding their thoughts and positions.
Obviously I have revealed a LOT on these boards, but nothing that a good P.I. retired from any force would have trouble finding with a few calls.
So--my deepest sympathies go out to the lady in trouble right now, and all the rest of you; I too worry about getting in trouble for many different reasons; not all of them rational or logical or even founded.
This makes me think of the movie "Minority Report."
One last note--yes, the police are here to protect us, but when they want to arrest you, threats are made, as well as promises. Very scary.
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gage
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DIGITALONE, YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT I MEANT TO REPLY TO
PHLEBOMOM, MY APOLIGIZES!!!GAGE
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IMSUSCOT1
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Oh...it may very well be...that's what's so scary...and I'm assuming that's what they based her charges on, but doesn't look like we've heard from here agian. I know in Arizona, they still have no real monitoring system in place...and I only get meds from the one doc...but it's just scary...especially given the fact that it was TWO different drugs....scary, scary, scary!
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Billyl
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The differance in your case is that you get both prescriptions from the same doctor. One time released and one for break through pain. Or am I wrong? In the original poster she obtained from two different doctors.
Take care. Billylll
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LumbarSpasm
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They have different chemical names, but both are controlled potent narcotic analgesics.
If a dentist RX's Tyl#3 for post dental extraction pain, and the next day your urologist RX's oral Demerol or Dilaudid for kidney stone pain... I'd think you'd have to tell the urologist about the Tyl#3. Of course he won't care as the Tyl#3's won't touch the kidney stone pain, but the point I think is disclosure.
Certainly a single doctor may RX as he sees fit to control your pain, especially a pain management doctor.
But If I go to Dr. A complaining of headaches and am RX'd Tylox, then drive on over to Dr B complaining of back pain and am Rx'd Vicodin...and still have Tyl#3 from the dentist... and it all happens in a short period of time, the insurance company, the pharmacy, and whomever they contact will surely be interested in my medicine cabinet.
Diversion and/or abuse will be the flag waving questions
and drawing attention to the situation.
JMO.
Monitoring is also done by the pharmacy...
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catmom
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Gage- I am here to tell everyone that you are ABSOLUTELY correct!!!  I got arrested for the first time in my life recently for not showing up to be sued by a credit card company that I owed money to. If I would've declared bankruptcy instead of trying to resolve my debts honestly, I never would have gotten in that legal trouble. Because I have no money, I foolishly thought there was no point in showing up to court to be sued.
The point is: THE COUNTY JAIL HERE WAS ABSOLUTE HELL! I cannot begin to describe how dehumanizing and dangerous it was. Some gang banger decided I was "dissin'" her & threatened to break my glasses at one point. You can only make collect calls from jail that announce you are in incarcerated inmate so I missed 2 days of work without being able to call in! They must have thought I'd died or something. I am the type of person who normally calls in to work if I'm going to be only a couple of minutes late. The WORST part was I that I live alone & I had to get ahold of someone to get into my locked apartment to take care of my animals. At one point, I went into hysterics (and I am not the crying type) because I was afraid my animals would die & I had no way to know when I'd get in front of a judge. I had heard stories of people being incarcerated for a week before seeing a judge. BTW-when I finally did see a judge after almost 2 days of hell, it was very anticlimactic. The judge just had me talk for a few minutes to the lawyer representing the cc company & said it was a civil not criminal matter (duh). I was let go later that day. What a horror show that was. 
When I went into hysterics, I had crack whores feeling sorry for me & using their phone calls to try to get through to someone to take care of my animals.
I am frankly still quite traumatized my it all. Talk about a BS legal system!
Yep, I was treated just like the woman down the hall in jail who had murdered all her children. Cherish your freedon folks! 
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