Boobetty
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BE CAREFULL out there folks Florida now is on the monitoring system..I heard from a friend that the system went live in April...be carefull BOO
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buey
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Boo, isn't that just c2?
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Boobetty
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It's c2-c5...this is not a quote or I can't go to a site..just someone I know that works down there told me that it's live and because she knows I used a back up this month.....
Boo...
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buey
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Wow! Yup, I'd be careful then.
My bet is that they are not going to take the astronomical amt of time to put all the old prescriptions in the database but from now on all of them will go in.
Would love to find out more about this. For example is this database just monitored by the feds? Is it available to all pharmacists so that when they punch your name in, your prescription history is shown?
I'm not quite sure I believe it is that extensive due to the HIIPA (are those the letters?) privacy act. That's being taken very seriously where I live. Went to the doc the other day and they gave me the pamphlet on it and had me sign a statement that I received it. Also had to list who was allowed to know about my medical information. Can they leave a message when they call? If so, with who?
I just can't believe that the feds would be knocking at your door if your name was flagged because you used a back up last month. I know you aren't saying that. Just wondering exactly how this works.
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buey
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Don't think what your friend told you is accurate. Just came across this dated April 7th. http://www.ama-assn.org/sci-pubs/amnews/pick_03/prsa0407.htm
Says the program is "on tap". According to the article the state leg. is supposed to vote on it. Also they are waiting for the montioring software to be developed by Purdue.
I have no doubt it is coming and at some point all 50 states will have it. But at this time, I do not believe FL has it yet.
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buey
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Okay...found something else. Pretty recent. Dated 04-22-03
http://www.sun-herald.com/NewsArchive2/042203/tp2ch5.htm?date=042203&story=tp2ch5.htm
This states that-
The legislation is slated for a floor vote as early as today in the Senate. Related legislation in the House has further committee reviews to go.
Many pharmacists and docs question it. My guess is that there will be a lot of debate about it before it actually happens.
Anyway, unless everything was passed in the last 13 days, and the software was implemented, I doubt this is happening.
See? I read something and then go off on a research frenzy. 
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Boobetty
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Well I don't know cause what she was saying seems to me like this...the pharmacy has to report to this monitoring system...this intalles them putting in the doc's DEA number ..if a match come up with your name twice ...they will send a letter to that doc...I hope your right...this might just still be under the table but it will happen I too will keep researching..this person I know works out there in Florida and heard this ..so it's not fact...but that is how it's going to work...and boy if it does at some point..there are millions of people that are going to be in trouble so I am not sure that the government will actually go after US...wouldn't you think..thank you for your reasearch...I really want to get to the bottem of this..and if she said it went live..maybe it's just with the in house docs and walk in pharmcys...I stated this as a warning not as fact...please don't flame me...just try to keep looking on the laws out there in Florida cause they are a changin...I just read that post about the doc getting fined a ton of money for writing scripts for a Californa patiants...he is not paying from what it reads...this is a good sign...this DB site is great..thank you for makeing me feel better B... ...if anyone can get anything on this ..let us know...boo
edited to state that I read further...the FAQ is very interesting...if this is not true it will be...I will try to get more info out of my friend..so sad that we that have ligit complaints records to prove them and still the doc lets you have #60 for one month...what a joke...oh and um..Jeb Bush is behind all of this...thanks Jeb/Goarge..what ever your name is...we are not drug addicts here...also it was ready to hit the floor on 4/22..we need to know what happened to this..could it be true that it is implamented as I said????????/
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prettyday
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I put this up last night but maybe this is a better thread.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/909570.asp?0dm=N18MT
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prettyday
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Purdue is developing the software? Oh that's just perfect!
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Boobetty
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Yeah aint it ironic...that is the doc I was talking about in my post above..says he aint payin...these guys need to fight fight fight...!!!!!!!!!also I might add that OP's must get there medication under raps..the missing meds, late refills...this will not do...if people want to use onlin OP's only..wich I just might cause my PMD..is a stingy guy...100 over 60 is a bit better...then they are going to have to be held acountable for missing meds..tardieness...overpriced shipping..oh they will say " just don't use us then" and if enouph people say "ok we won't" then we are all good...thanks..Boo
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Boobetty
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ok..I know I know..I am replying to myself..but I have a question to anyone using Bwise pharmcy...has anyone gotten a rip off slip of paper that you need to send back to the pharmacy...this slip is a recipt that you have seen the new reporting rules...anyone ....Booo
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sad story, but you have to agree w/ the monitoring. this pill is evil, when in the wrong hands. i beleive that this is the case for the majority of the users of this pill. i know mant peeps that abuse this pill. it is very sad to see their life crumble as the evil of the pill takes over their body.
beleive it if ya want, but you dont really know til you have seen someone very dependant for the pill. it is in my opinion that i think this pill should be monitored closely.
take it for what it's worth folks.
peace
not sure what kind of "peeps" you're hanging out with...I can't imagine knowing alot of people who are on oxycontin at all, given the difficulty in getting it, largely because of the many exagerated, unfounded and undocumented/un-quantified (ill-quantified?) "reports" of it's abuse. I do, personally, know 2 other people who are on it, and I take it, so I can speak from experience...I've been on the same dose for 2 years, 20mg every 12 hours. My PM doc would increase it if I needed (actually he recently did...up to 60 mg q 12 hrs and offered to increase it further if I needed it, following a very difficult spinal surgery, I declined and am back down to my original dose), and despite it's purported "highly addictive" nature, I've managed to stay on this dose. Of the other 2 people I know who take it, one has increased his dosage twice, over the course of about 18 months. From an original dose of 10mg q 12 hrs, up to 20 mg q 12 hrs and now up to 40 mg q 12 hrs. He has a progressive condition, and the physician attributes this very MINOR increase to the progression of his disease process. All three of us are on very low doses of this highly addictive, much abused drug..according to the physician treating us and according to the Purdue pharmacuetical reps I had the pleasure of talking to at a convention recently. You say you believe the majority of the users of this pill are abusers, why? Can you give us some research....studies...valid literature in medical journals? Or have you too fallen victim to the media and the government? My intent is not to disrespect you in anyway...you have a right to your opinion...but I wish people, especially people who have some experience with chronic pain would at the bare minimum attempt to look at this issue in the light of facts, after studying valid literature backed by research. What this evil pill did for me, and for the other 2 people I know who are taking it, and to the many whose letters I got to read courtesy Purdue Pharmaceuticals (their personal id info was deleted, so no laws were broken..with the exception of surprisingly about 60% who ASKED to have their ID'/ info left on their letters and to which I added a letter to with MY IDing info on it) this evil pill gave me my life back. I went from someone who hadn't worked in 7 months, and whose doctor was suggesting file for SSI disability (at 41 years of age!) to working 40-70 hrs a week. I went from spending days in bed back to cleaning my house, gardening, hiking, jetskiing, I became a normal person. Life isn't perfect, I do take break through meds, usually with increased activity or when working long hours, but you'd think by now I'd be injecting the stuff the way it's constantly portrayed....hope this gives a different view--arab & lumbar, excellent well thought out points, as usual
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Auntiecyn2
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This is truly the pits. Now my pain and my medication will be monitored by my government who cannot even monitor the foster care systems in this country. These are real privacy issues. How much pain I have and how it is treated should be a private issue between me and my doctor. Where are we going with all this? We need to get the government out of our personal business. Everytime we allow laws to be passed for our own good, even if the law is good, we contribute to this attitude of big brother watching us. We don't need the government making us safe. Safety is just an illusion anyway. The people in the WTC felt safe that day. We need to at least begin to fight the laws that infringe on our privacy in the name of safety. Let's be a little less safe. The safety is killing me.
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This odious position of the US Gov't assumes that people, who "seek" (opiate) drugs are somehow morally defective, the same position taken about alcoholics, prostitutes and anyone else not measuring up to the manufactured morality of our mass media and our political manipulators, in their attempt to buy votes and sell crime drama on TV.
Just as people have chemical imbalances in other neurotransmitter subsystems, it is very likely that some people have imbalances in their opiod subsystems. It's time to stop being sheep - people of pain! Opiates are just as legitimate as SSRI's and often a hell of a lot more effective.
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About six weeks ago I went to the pharmacy to fill a scrip for chloral hydrate syrup, which is C-III. The pharmacist asked me for either my driver's license or social security number and I just kind of looked dumbly at him. He knows me, he's been my regular pharmacist for five years! But he said that the state now requires every scheduled prescription to include a DL or SSN.
Kinda makes me feel like a criminal.
Brady
That is so true! The last time I used my regular local pharmacy to refill my Xanax script, they not only asked to see my driver's license, the Pharmacy Technician actually ASKED me why I seemed so nervous. Well, duh...maybe because I have anxiety disorder and needed my medication???
The thing that really burned me up was the fact that once I got home and counted them, there were 5 missing from the bottle. I should have gone back there and asked HER why there 5 pills missing from the bottle and observed her behavior. I'll bet money on the fact that she was the one shorting my scripts, because every time I refilled there, there would always be between 2 to 4 missing from the bottle. Seriously, the nerve of some people!!
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DonBarba
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because every time I refilled there, there would always be between 2 to 4 missing from the bottle
Maybe you should switch pharmacies if possible?
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crc102400
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EEYore, from now on I would open the bottle right there and count them. Unfortunatley, because you left the store already, there is nothing can be done. This happened to me at a pharmacy once. Thanks god I know the pharmacist and they were aware of who it was and 2 days later they were arrested, but he told me, once you leave the store, there is nothing they can do.........
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Lablady2
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Great Post!!!!!!!!! - and I couldn't agree with you more!!!
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TSLTiff
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That is so true! The last time I used my regular local pharmacy to refill my Xanax script, they not only asked to see my driver's license, the Pharmacy Technician actually ASKED me why I seemed so nervous. Well, duh...maybe because I have anxiety disorder and needed my medication???
This may not have anything to do with monitoring. Pharmacies are supposed to ask for ID when the person comes to pick up a narcotic, otherwise people who happen to know that someone has a script for hydro or whatever and just say, "ya, I need to pick up a script for so and so".
As far as asking why you were so nervous... I have had an argument with a pharmacist before. My doc called in hydro to eckerds. Well, I live in Houston, and my doc, who I have been going to for over 10 years and knows my head in and out is about 120 miles away. The pharmacist was suspicious cause the Dr. was so far away and asking me all kinds of questions. He asked me "what is your doctor's phone #?" Well, I didn't know it off hand and he acted like that was completely crazy. The lady behind me was like "I don't know my dr.s #". Anyways, it came down to him saying that he is largely responsible as the pharmacist for using discretion as to whether or not it's legit, so it was his butt on the line, at least as he told it.
Anwyays, just a thought..
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sunflower29
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Here in Canada, our health system is publicy funded but we have our own monitoring system called Pharmacare, which keeps a computer database of every prescription you have filled, no matter which pharmacy you go to. Every pharmacy of every chain, from a mom and pop's place to a Safeway has to have pharmacare, so any of these places you go into can see what your last prescription was, for how much, who the dr. was that made the prescription, etc, etc.
This does help eliminate doctor shopping, which is what they wanted, as well as keep people from inadvertently killing themselves by mixing medications. Saving us from ourselves, yet again!
I don't like it that the pharmacist can see my history, and place me into a certain category, such as potential drug seeker, or doctor shopper if they see certain patterns of behavior, especially for benzos. I've had personal experience with this and it's interesting because they're more nervous about confronting me about it than I am.
Maybe because I know I can use an overseas pharmacy if they get all big brother on me, so I don't make excuses. I tell them I rely on a large doze of benzos to control my anxiety disorder, and I tell them that I'm aware they can be addictive, and I have to be careful, and I try to take as few as possible, but I need to function, and it seems that being reasonable sort of throws them off.
At least now I know that if they refuse me I can go elsewhere. It's about a hundred times more expensive, but at least I don't have to explain myself to anyone. Except for the authorities if they ever come knocking on my door.
I remember having a long conversation with my pharmacist asking him about alternatives to benzos, and what I could take that would help me with my anxiety because he was concerned with me taking them long term, and he couldn't make a single suggestion except melatonin to help me sleep.
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Oh, I don't doubt for a minute that the reason that she asked to see ID was because she wanted to make sure that the right person was picking up the prescription. About a month before that happened, my friend's husband went to pick up his prescription for a pain med, and when he got there, no script. They checked it out, and said it was already picked up by him earlier that day, but he kept insisting that it wasn't him. Turns out, when the pharmacy reviewed the security tape, his own brother-in-law was the one who not only picked up the script, but signed for it in my friend's husband's name! The Pharmacist wasn't there when it happened, and the Pharmacy technician must have had her rear end chewed out for it, so I think they make everyone show ID now, even if it's for allergy medication or antibiotics.
But my whole point was that this Pharmacy Technician knew me by my face, as I had been using that pharmacy for well over a year, and I guess it was my own fault for not pointing out the missing pills from my prescriptions, but like an earlier poster said, once you leave the store, there's nothing that they can do. I did tell the doctor who was prescribing me the meds what was going on over at that pharmacy and actually requested that she have it called in at a different one, because I didn't trust that place anymore after what happened not only with my prescriptions, but also because of what happened to my friend's husband. She must have called that pharmacy because I've heard through the grapevine that the Pharmacy tech who asked me why I looked so "nervous" isn't working there anymore. Don't know any more details than that, either she was fired, or maybe she quit after they chewed her out again, or better yet, prosecuted for what she was doing. I really don't give a rat's behind, because I don't use that pharmacy anymore, too many bad experiences with them IMO.
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