kimbell1
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This would sem like a no brainer-at first.
If you read my other thread about how can they tell if you are under DUI, it begins to make sense what I just asked.
With some people, there is no question that you should get the handicapped plates. You have to use one of those scooters or devices that enable you to get around.
But I am borderline to that point. Without pain killers of high dosages in most peoples' opinion ( despite I have built up the tolerance and need more just to have it work), I can't get around well.
But with being properly medicated, I can run a marathon (not really but I get around normally). But that is the problem. I never know when the medications are going to quit. One pill works all day. The next day, I take a pain killer and it works for an hour. There is no set standard that my body recogizes. It does not care if the pill says SUPPOSED to last for 6 hours or 24 hours. Plus, medications are made in batches and its like anything else, some batches or iems get more of an ingrediant like cookies and cream ice cream. Some containers have more cookies than other containers.
Back to why you should think about getting that handicapped plate. I had to give you a bit of personal history for this to make any sense.
A lot of people medicate before leaving the house or wait in pain until they are home. I do not work so I don't have to wait. But I do have a life like getting food, and going to movies once in a while.
But should I carry my medication and if stopped by a cop and he has a beleives with any doubt that I may be DUI, he will searche me or the car (happens all the time on the highway I live near for about a 30 mile stretch looking for illegal drugs ).
So if a cop does see you weaving a bit (maybe you are adjusting the radio) and stops you and sees a handicapped plate, that gives him more than probable cause to search you and the vehicle. These days, cops are a law unto themselves since the Supreme Court said it was legal for these probable cause searches with no real evidence.
So after reading this, do you think that having a handicapped plate increases your likely hood of being stopped, asked if you are on medication and the cops take it from their and before you know it, you are in jail defending yourself with a DUI?
Remember, its a lot of money to you to defend yourself. It's overtime for the cop in a lot of areas or at least part of his padi duties.
This is just a topic that I wondered what other people though. Sorry for the rambling.
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Greycie
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kimbell,
I generally tend to stay away from topics like this because I believe giving out too much info. is potentially putting info. into the wrong hands.
Do I believe having a handicap sticker would give a greater likelihood of getting pulled over? Nope. I think if you're driving is impaired, you should be pulled over. I wouldn't want somebody medicated putting my daughter in a car with them behind the wheel nor would I do so.
Driving while taking medication, in my book, is the equivalent of driving after having a few drinks. An automatic no-no.
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peteg72
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Driving while taking medication, in my book, is the equivalent of driving after having a few drinks. An automatic no-no.
I agree with this except for one thing. What if you are on a round the clock medication like oxycontin or duragesic? You are on the medication 24 hours a day, and say you are going somewhere for a couple of days and need to bring the bottle with you? You are not impaired because you have been on this heavy narcotic for a long time and it is a very effective pain killer, but at the same time it doesn't give you a buzzy feeling anymore like hydro. You need to drive, but at the same time you are medicated 24 hrs. a day. What do you do? How do you explain this to the cop? Will you win in court? You are on heavy narcotics, yet not impaired to drive. Sorry if this is off topic a little. pete.
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kimbell1
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While you have a point, if you don't give out information, how can a person make an intelligent response to yoou statement or question?
Simply saying 'i take pain killers' is not always sufficent. And we also live in the information age with a political and law enforcement climate that has no problems finding out who you are.
I have to laugh at those programs that promise to erase all 'interenet tracks'. All someone with the pull has to do is subpoena DB's records and find out who your server is and then subpoena the server. Or just make a few 'comments'. It is widely acknowledged that LE monitors this board. There are countless other , much scarier ways that the government keeps tabs on you these days.
I had a girlfriend bet me that she could call this friend of hers that ran background checks for her get my social security number simply based on my name (I can't remember if i included my middle name).. I have a VERY common First and last name and my middle name combined with just my first name is a VERY famous name. It took her friend only two tries to find my social security number. And this was in 1997 or 98.
I am not trying to be impolite and I want you to only give out what you feel comfortable with. That is good thinking on your part.
But I don't think that i make any incriminating posts. But I feel I need to supply certain personal information for someone to post me an intelligent answer.
You can access all my posts by clicking on my name and going from there. . I live near Dallas, Texas. So do about 4 million or more people in the area. And this does not cout Dalla' sister city of Fort Worth which has at least another million people.
So I say this with respect 'if they want you they can get you'.
Life is hard enough without looking over my shoulder. And if I did think that i was going to be visited by the dread MIB, then I would not post or view this site.
One last thing about my threads. I try to make people think outside the box and about other topics than where can I buy the cheapest hydro or the best OP. Plenty of threads out there like that.
Edited by kimbell1 (10/05/04 12:26 PM)
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kimbell1
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I have used it and did worry about getting stopped with the thing attached. People are free to ramble all they want in threads I post since I do more than my share of rambling in posts'LOL.
And you made a very good point, Pete
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rockystuart
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Driving while taking medication, in my book, is the equivalent of driving after having a few drinks. An automatic no-no.
I had to post about this; I am narcoleptic; If I EVER get in an accident and they dont find the correct level of my controlling med in my systenm I LOSE MY DL FOR LIFE!
So sometimes driving while not taking meds is a no-no; and illegal in my case.
DWI or driving while impaired is illegal; usually determined by a field sobriety test; I agree that DWI is illegal, immoral and often fatal.
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IMSUSCOT1
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I take OC so by your standards I shouldn't EVER drive? Think the government wants to support me financially? I've been on the med 5 years, so I get NO high at all from my meds and work a responsible job, usually over 40 hours a week...I've NEVER been in an accident nor stopped for suspicious driving behavoir.
Your thinking would rule out ALOT of people who take meds to live a normal life. It says to be CAREFUL when you operate a car, it doesn't say DON'T DO IT.
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akia1
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Hi,
get the handicapped tags.
you'll get sympathy from some cops.
you'll get to park free some places too... when I travel I park right next to the airport in the short term parking, when I leave I give them my ticket, they ring it up for several hundred dollars of short term parking, I show them my handicapped tag, and they have the supervisor sign off on it.
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t_oshan2003
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All you need once they get those subpoena's is a good lawyer, most cases, they will find fault in the LE. Sure its a pin but they expect people to just bow down and they tray and scare the Best if kept off the board out you. Always remember, good lawyer. A LE who messes up can really made to look bad an even damage his career if he messes up so they know that (most do )
Attorneys make money this way. Supress the evidence if any and you are home free if it gets that far.
otherwise, when he trys to search, demand a lawyer and watch him sweat like (uh oh, they know more than me!)
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stevesmith
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All you need once they get those subpoena's is a good lawyer, most cases, they will find fault in the LE. Sure its a pin but they expect people to just bow down and they tray and scare the Best if kept off the board out you. Always remember, good lawyer. A LE who messes up can really made to look bad an even damage his career if he messes up so they know that (most do )
Attorneys make money this way. Supress the evidence if any and you are home free if it gets that far.
otherwise, when he trys to search, demand a lawyer and watch him sweat like (uh oh, they know more than me!)
everything comes down to how good yer lawyer is
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kimbell1
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There is only one near me and its is a private university with a good local name but very$$$$. I figure that they would give me financial aid due to my disability and mayb even some prefernce in admission if they still do things like that.
It would be nice to be able to tell the cops that I am an attorney.
I am curious, if any attornys read this thread, do cops treat you with more respect than the average citizen if you mention that you are a lawyer?
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t_oshan2003
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most are pretty dumb. I think if you told them you are a lawyer they may be more carefull in asking questions but be prepared to be able to answer some trick ones they throw at you..
either way, never say anything without a good lawyer, its amazing what they can do. Most LE are mental midgets and once a case is taken to court, if it gets that far, screw up bigtime and you end up glad you retained an attorney..
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lespierce
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I decided to google this, since I am on Duragesic, and drive all the time. I do not feel impared in the least, and figured there must have been some studies on this subject, and in fact here is a link, proving that people who have been on Duragesic for a long time, suffer no motor skill issues. I would think these studies would hold up in a court of law.
http://opioids.com/fentanyl/ability.html
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lespierce
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Maybe I spoke a little too soon, since here is a quote from the study:
"We conclude that stable doses of transdermal fentanyl for the treatment of chronic non-cancer pain are not associated with significant impairments in psychomotor and cognitive performance. The threshold for fitness to drive as defined by German law did not differ significantly between the groups."
This applies to a German study. I am not sure if that would be admissable in a US court of law, but I am sure if your lawyer was good enough, he/she would turn up some US studies that proove the same thing.
Does anyone else out there who have been taking DUragesic for a long time, "feel" anything, other than pain relief? I certainly do not, and feel just as sharp as if I did not take it. Actually, I would probably be worse driving in pain, since pain can make you do outrageous things, and makes your decision making a bit impared.
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Steffie
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I read thru a lot of this post, but may have missed this - why don't you just get placards? Because of my back and head injuries (I was hit by a drunk driver), I am permanently disabled, but I didn't want handicapped license plates on my truck. I just ordered the placards and you only put them on your rear-view mirror when you park. On days that I'm feeling ok, I don't even use them, leave the handicap spaces for someone who perhaps needs them more than me. I drive an Excursion and I have personalized plates and I love them! I ordered handicap plates for my husband's truck - one look is all it takes!!! With the placards, if you are permanently disabled, the doctor signs a form issued by the DMV and they send you new cards every couple of years, whenever they expire. Temporary disabled, same form, but when they expire you just have to get the doctor to sign a new note (again, issued by the DMV). They will not take any other note, only their form. It's simple, just checks the appropriate box, signs his name, stamps his office stamp and you're done!
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bronwyn
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I have the temps also. The plakards are nice because you can use them in other cars when you ride with someone else. In KY temps are good for 6 months, renewable once without form, $2 each time and then after 1 year you need new form. Permanent are 6 year, something like $6, but you do have to go back in to the DMV to get the renewal. The nice thing is that you can either have a doctor fill out the form or if you know the county clerk he can atest that you need one. You can also get a duplicate of the permanent one, so you can have one for each car.
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