bromo
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People are always getting angry about new members asking for sched II meds. Members are always asking why newbies keep asking for these things. Well when you go to DB's home page for the first time what do you see?? Oxycodone, oxycotin, roxycotin etc.. scrolling in big letters right under the drugbuyers banner and people wonder why newbies are always asking for them, hmmm . Are they ever going to get them?, trying though. I thinks it's a little dishonest of DB to advertise those meds so as to make it seem that they can get them through this site, don't you? Yes, yes, yes, nowhere does it say that this board will help you obtain these meds but the insinuation is blatantly obvious. Take that out and I think we'll all have a much better quality board, and a lot less frustration.
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diggsbakes
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Yes it is a shame to see that type of person lurking around this board. It also seems that lately there has been more than ever. If the question is not "Oxycontin online???" then its "Hydro Fast" or "Good source for Percoset".
It is a shame that these people are attracted to this board in one way or another. I believe it jeapordizes the validity of us all.
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night_shade
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Reged: 08/26/03
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This identical issue was just deleted from the boards in another thread. The other issue--about why DB uses the words "oxycontin" and such on their entrance page is discussed in Change the entrance screen of DB (another thread.)
As I responded in that post, so I will respond here:
My guess is that the reason the page won't get changed is that "oxycontin" "oxycodone" or catch phrases like "buy oxycodone" are hot search engine words and with such things on the entrance page (even though there is an explanation to the contrary) and with the search engine spiders, DB gets more hits from people using those search phrases.
It's good for their business, folks. Right, wrong or indifferent.
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night_shade
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Even though I doubt this thread will last the night, I will respond anyway to the "quit asking for oxycontin" part of your post.
I found DB thru a search using the words "buy oxycontin" on a search engine. Why was I searching for that? Because I had been on methadone for so many years hydrocodone was like eating candy. This was prior to my pain management appointment, so I wasn't getting adequate relief from my serious and painful medical conditions. I was led to believe, like so many others, that OxyContin COULD be found online as per the media. I didn't know anything at all about OPs before reading through the forums here. I was FAR from a junkie looking for a fix. I have never done many of the medically unacceptable things people regularly admit to doing here, (crushing/snorting/coldwater extraction/etc.) nor did I misuse or take more of the meds I was receiving than I was supposed to. Hence, the insinuation that everyone looking for oxy or other schedule 2 drugs are junkies is erroneous. I just didn't know until I found DB. But I also never PMd anyone asking for this or any other medication. I just searched and read and quickly discovered the fallacy that it was available LEGALLY online.
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diggsbakes
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Night Shade, It dosen't sound like you found Oxycontin at all through the use of DB and are still here, so you must have gotten help somehow through the use of this site and/or your personal specialist. You (and your described condition) are probably one of the few exceptions to the general population that relentlessly attempts to obtain this drug through the use of DB.
While a few people might have a legitimate need for this substance; I more often than not see a member regestered with in the last week either asking for a source for this drug, PMing me asking to trade other drugs for this drug or out right describing and promoting their missuse/abuse of this drug.
I personally know people that are on Oxycontin or closely related drugs and 99% of the time if the person REALLY needs this substance it will be prescribed at the discretion of a doctor. Despite this opinion, I also deal with unsymapthetic (or ignorant) doctors ALL THE TIME. Even today as a matter of fact I grew so impatient with my PCP's nurse that I lost my temper and blew off some steam, greatly at her expense (well deserved due to her chosen "tone" with me).
I just hope that the majority of people that come here look for TREATMENT and nothing more.
Edited by diggsbakes (05/11/04 08:26 PM)
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night_shade
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I personally know people that are on Oxycontin or closely related drugs and 99% of the time if the person REALLY needs this substance it will be prescribed at the discretion of a doctor.
I totally agree with you about this and have wanted to say it for so long, but there are people here who will misinterpret this (perhaps even intentionally) to mean I don't think they are in legitimate pain--which is NOT my intent at all. I was my own worst enemy with pain management. I just suffered figuring that nobody WOULD help me, and my condition had gone undiagnosed for over a decade. The Pain management appointment was a godsend. My pain is treated, legally and adequately through the pain clinic. I didn't have to go from doctor to doctor to doctor. I just was a victim of the "no doctor will help me" mentality and so I sat for so many years doing NOTHING. I am SO glad my family doc (of 9 years) FINALLY sent me out to the pain clinic.
I always respond to the PMs about OC with "have you tried visiting your doctor with the medical complaint that has you in such severe pain?" I have NOT ONE TIME gotten a response to that.
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radiometer
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I have never done many of the medically unacceptable things people regularly admit to doing here, (crushing/snorting/coldwater extraction/etc.)
May I ask what is medically unacceptable about coldwater extraction? I know many people whose conditions have required enough opiates to give them a high tolerance, and whose doctors will not prescribe non-APAP medications. These people are really concerned about their livers, and the worst possible outcome of a coldwater extraction is less hydro than they started with.
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diggsbakes
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Has this method been recomended to you, or do you even have an ounce of expertise in regards to the legitimacy of this method of drug administration???
Please,......... Do not interpret this as sarcasm, but I would really like to know the answer.
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Janbo
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Reged: 02/02/04
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Loc: Northeast, USA
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My first visit to DB was at the recommendation of someone on one of the arthritis and fibromyalgia boards.
The website's Oxy blurbs and the repeated requests for the same on the Shout Box made me initially decide this probably wasn't where I wanted to be.
It wasn't until about 6 months later, after hearing Drug Buyers praised on a chronic pain board, that I even bothered to come back. Reading the threads revealed that the majority of DB people were intelligent, supportive of one another, and had a situation identical to my own - chronic pain.
What I'm trying to say is that for every person who comes here under the mistaken impression that he or she is going to be getting Oxycontin, there's probably a visitor who is turned-off by the very same thing.
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Edited by Janbo (05/12/04 02:50 AM)
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radiometer
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I personally am not an opiate user nor a chemist. Here is the source of my information. Personally knowing the poster, I believe it to be fact, take it or leave it...the writer is a moderator in the forum linked to, and has deleted many posts about "extractions" of other substances (such as DXM) because they were potentially unsafe. Water extraction involves only that- water.
Here's another source. As with anything read on the web, one should try to research further before accepting this as hard fact.
** edit ** I Really apologise, as I look to see in which forum this topic is posted, and notice it's gone further O/T than is acceptable on this board. This would be a more appropriate place to discuss further if necessary.
Edited by radiometer (05/11/04 11:17 PM)
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FakePlastic
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i have 2 sugestions, first the front page doesnt need to have oxy etc scrolling acrosss just to have those words bring you to this site from search engine site it could be written in small hard to see font at the bottom of the page with the same search results. And if not maybe a mod should should just tack a topic like this to the top of the topics page or something to the tone of 'Oxycontin/oxycodone/percoset/morphine/etc is basically impossible to find via online pharmacy please stop asking"
it may be written somewhere not immediatly visable over and over again but 99% of the newbies arnt gonna search thru old stuff they need it right infront of their face, sad but true.
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diggsbakes
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Good point Fake, we can only hope that most of the newbs will vanish with all their malicious intentions when they cannot find what they want.
In regard to Radio's link. This link (your first one) is directed to a web site designed to tell people how to " PARTY " safer. The first thing offered is a disclaimer. 
The discussion at hand was regarding the validity of the need for Oxycontin as a medication. In your irresponsible post you provided information on how to abuse this controlled substance in the exact nature that law enforcement has their eyes on.
I hope that the lot of us are here to help, not hurt as would result from the poor advise of a "raver's" website listed on this board. 
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DrugBuyers
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We do not get upset with people that ask about Oxycontin or other products with Oxycodone.
They are prescription drugs and can be discussed at DrugBuyers.Com as long as our posting rules are followed.
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night_shade
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May I ask what is medically unacceptable about coldwater extraction?
If your DOCTOR thought your specific medical condition required a reduction of or no APAP at all, s/he would write a prescription for a pure opiate. Cold water extraction is certainly NEVER recommended by ANY medical personnel in the course of medical practice. It is utilized only by people who are ADULTERATING their medications...prescribed or not...pain control or otherwise.
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bunka
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I have two herniated discs in my Back that are providing a great deal of pain. I had Oxy perscibed but no longerm, however my back pain is worse that ever. I've had many epidurals. One doc says gethem form the other doc,t he other doc says get thm from the other doc and I'm just plain tired of it all. I want to know legit sources to order these drugs so I can be a person go to work, take care of my kid etc.
I don't get high on thse drugs and I'm not having fun. I simply tring to make it through the day and not be in agony and not get ripped off.
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bunka
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Yes I have been to several pain clinincs here in the NE US and
all they do is epidurals, they tell me my back probels two, onw lumbar and one thoracic are inoperable yet the pain clinc dr.s say my regular dr. should be perscribing and he says they should be perscribing as they are the pain Dr's. I am sick and tired of this.
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toe
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May I ask what is medically unacceptable about coldwater extraction?
If your DOCTOR thought . . .
If your doctor thought. . .
now imagine if your doctor could feel
My sincerest apologies for adulterating your post. Nightshade. It's never been my intention to adulterate anything for strictly illicit purposes. I've been taking 2400mg of ibuprophen a day for the past two years, overlaid with a 6 month stay on MSContin and a some sparse 30-40 count scripts for 5mg hydrocrap and 5mg percocet. Just enough to keep me right there on the bench of "opiate tolerant".
So I have a surgery, which is part of the treatment for which those sparse scripts have been coming for the past 4 months. Just a part, mind you. Scraping out one joint and replacing one toe. There are 4 others, and an ankle. Week one I get 40 percocet. Week 2 I get 30. The following weekend I fall several times, wind up in emergency, x-rays show a fracture. Sucks for me. The next day I ask the resident on call to call in a script for me. . .talwin, I'm hoping a low scheduled partial opiate-agonist will do what I doubt his other offer (tylenol 3) will. Of course I'm unable to pick up the script myself, so I get a surprise. #30 Tylenol 3 with the instructions: Take one as needed for pain. One very 6 hours? Every 4 hours? Every 5 minutes? I'm a good patient, I scour the web to find the proper prescribing info for tylenol 3. 1-2 every 4-6 hours. This is not psychological. They do nothing. I'm a bad patient. I take 4. They do nothing.
The next day I go to my EMERGENCY appointment that is 2 weeks early because I was on the phone with the on-call doc all weekend, first because of a bad wrapping that turned my foot purple and made me cry for 2 days, then because of that silly fracture thing.
The surgeon tells me to start wearing shoes and stop using my crutches, gives me a script for PT (which starts Aug 19th) and, when I tell him that the T3s are literally useless, he tells me "THIS FAR OUT FROM SURGERY WE DON"T GIVE NARCOTICS" or some such Best if kept off the board. Not understanding that all I want is something that will work. And please no more tylenol. He did explain the cryptic prescription to me, though. Apparently, they left off a word.
A DAY AS NEEDED FOR PAIN >>
Apparently, when my prescription is "up" he will be willing to write a prescription for ultram. What a gentle god of a man.
I've been taking 2400mg of ibuprophen almost every day for the past 2 years. Except March 27 of this year, when I went into complete renal failure, and the 10 days that followed and created that conditions above.
Heck, I'll take all the tylenol you want, as long as it's compounded with an actual painkiller. . . that I'm not allergic to. Instead I'm stuck just taking a killer. Nice. All you people moaning about acetominophen need to do a little research into the hepatic toxicity of oxycodone. . .the renal toxicity of morphine and methadone. . .(just off the top of my head) and everyone cheering over the advent of vicoprophen, start asking your family members to test now.
It's truly a shame that we have to be in such pain, damned if we do and damned if we don't. I guess I really don't know what my position on this is, other than I sure wish there were a way to kill the pain without killing ourselves.
Oh, and one other thing. I took one look at that script for those T3's and got out my bottle of ACA's and dumped about 80 of 'em in a cup of water. I'm not stupid enough to take that much tylenol and at that point I still had some hope that the equivalent of a couple of T4s might provide some analgesia. Because I still has some faith that "IF THE DOCTOR THOUGHT. . ." tylenol 3 might help, maybe he wasn't too far off. Sue me. Ban me. I'm tired of fighting.
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tone
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Reged: 06/29/03
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Loc: Chicago
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The perfect solution is that this new OxyTrex brand of oxycodone be unscheduled, better yet ,over the counter for 5 dollars a bottle.
anyway theres a lot of complaints about this and you just have to ignore it. My suggestion would be that the users have to have a certain amount of post views before they can post. this should NOT be controled by cookies because people delete cookies and temp files all of the time, it should be stored the same way the number of posts a person has is stored...on DB
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mellamobob
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Reged: 08/26/04
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it could be written in small hard to see font at the bottom of the page with the same search results
Don't even really need to do that... That's what all of the
meta name="keywords" content blah-blah-blah
tags and junk are for in the code of the page...
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