seaofyouth
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I live in a rather small town in a Southern State.
I have used Rxhotdeals.com 2 times, I absolutely could not believe that getting pain meds for my back pain (slipped disks, DJD) was this easy. There was also one other person in my town that I knew was using Rxhotdeals.com for their 'services' but I assumed by default that the person was using these services for his personall needs only, boy was I wrong. First thing I know, the guy has discovered that the system that Rxhotdeals.com and their sister sites use, you know, the infamous fill out a questionnare and have narcotics in the mail to you in hours, was very exploitable. You needed to fill in correct information, or did you?
I started to hear from friends, and what the guy hinted at himself, that he was starting to have several orders shipped to his house, and other peoples houses that he 'recruited' so he could get more and more pills sent, because he was addicted, to the pills and the money he was making by selling them to everyone in town. And believe me, if you live in a small town, everyone knows everyone's business.
One day I am sitting in my house, and UPS knocks on the door. It was a package from Rxhotdeals with MY name on it.Did I order it? No. I told the UPS man that I did not order it, to send it straight back. He said 'well we've been getting alot of these'
In the following weeks, some other friends I know that also know the Defendant, as his status is changed to now, started getting packages sent to their addresses, which they or course didn't order. See I found out later, that this person discovered that if he got out in his car early in the day, and drove around town till he found Brown, he could flag them down and pick up the package himself, as long as he had that O so sacred money order. Was the guy a freakin idiot for doing this you ask? Yes, but all this was going on around me and I could do nothing but watch, and think OMG! I can't believe this guy is this effing stupid! I was angry that he was using mine and other peoples names to order narcotics, which he would promptly sell on the street, and believe me, he was selling pills to just about anyone in town that likes benzos and pain killers, and that's about 95% of the population.
Well to make this a bit shorter, they finally got him Monday night. How did I know before anyone else in town did, even the papers? A local DEA agent, one whom I am my family have known all his life, shows up with the State Police at my house early the next morning and said they found my name and phone number amongst his possesions and wanted to know if I knew anything about his doings. I resisted giving them any information at first but then thought, look at what people like this do for the ones who use this 'system' responsibly. . . so darn right, I told them everything I know, what websites he was using
Who I had seen him sell to, who had told me they 'bought' from him, I typed it all out and signed it. Does that make me a snitch? I really don't care. I am pssed about this. The agent told me they found over 15 empty UPS envelopes, numerous bottles with lables intact, so they know about Dr. Whoever it is that writes for the place in Miami so many of you rely on.
I am sorry to have to even tell you people about something like this. But I have my doubts that this person I know, who is now charged with interstate drug traffiking, and numerous other offences, all due to his greed and idiocy, is the only person out there who exploits the Miami system. I know that a great majority of you are legit pain patients as I am, but there are bad apples out there who don't care and will ruin it for those who need it if they can make a buck or 1000. I don't post or lurk here much, but I will try to respond to any comments if I think I need to.
You can believe this or not, I don't really care, because this is all gospel truth. I went and got the local paper yesterday but they have not printed a story yet, but I will be on the lookout for one. As big as this is I am sure there will be something. I am sure these goings on in this Southern state didn't help the OP industry very much
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oldandwise
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That is a sad story but not surprising. It will only be a matter of time before rxhotdeals,gooddeals etc. Are all shut down. Just like the ones that preceeded them. We all remember tropicalrx.erxonline,you can go on and on. But soon as they are shut down another group will take ther place.. ! As long as there is this amount of money to be made. These sites will keep showing up.!!!!
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mkaemsa
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Personally,
I would never, ever, create and sign a statement like the one you mentioned. I can sympathize with your anger towards the individual who used your name for his own gain. However, I would never take it to the point of naming who "he told you he sold to, and who you think bought from him".
To me, that makes this situation different and changes your role in this persons case (which is completely his fault).
This is just my opinion.
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buey
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I agree with you mkmaemsa,
Now you are a witness and will more than likely be dragged into a criminal case. Before I wrote up and signed a statement, I would have contacted my attorney.
What this person did was criminal and stupid, and he's in a lot of hot water. This is very serious and you have yourself stuck right in the middle of it now.
Folks, this is yet another reason to avoid the no consult places. I would seriously stop using them. The Best if kept off the board is going to hit the fan. This is almost expected. What bothers me is that the record/consult required places are being looked at. I don't get what is up with that, but I believe Alphaman's story about his little visit and that's extremely disturbing.
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dman22
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Remember too. This person is a drug dealer and with that in mind, will not be locked up forever. He will know you either gave a statement, testified, etc...with police asking questions and I would prefer my own safety. Remaining silent is sometimes the best thing you can do - as much as you hate that person and want to see them go down. However, your choice and I wish you the best.
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tb1218
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Hopefully this DEA family friend will protect him/her with the information given. I once years ago lived in a tiny town in FLA and people knew everything about everyone. Three people even found out I was pregnant before I was ever notified. And being such a small town, everyone he used to acquire these meds is already gossiped about as well. Everyone knows everyones business is almost an understatement. I dont think I would have signed anything but I can definetly understand the position this person was put in and also being in a small town if he didnt cooperate with authorities they would have for sure thought he was in cohoots with the defendent. And stories will fly around too as soon as word gets out.
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pickles
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Folks, this is yet another reason to avoid the no consult places. I would seriously stop using them. The Best if kept off the board is going to hit the fan. This is almost expected. What bothers me is that the record/consult required places are being looked at.
I agree personally about using no records op's only for the fact that it weakens your claim as a chronic pain/anxiety sufferer.The thing i don't agree with,is that diversion has nothing to do with the op's,rather they be records/consult or no records/online questionairre.I believe if i wanted to sell pills to make the most money i could,i would use the records/consult op's and pay $1.00 a pill rather than $3 to $4.00 a pill.I believe there is more to this story as well,i'm sure this guy used everybody,probably,seeing that he used different names,i'm sure he frequented NWW the most(120 pills,no initial records).
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dman22
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You're right, a good ally to have in situations like this. Hope all turns out ok for him/her.
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MetsFan
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I agree 100%. My father (of all people) told me a long time ago. cooperate with LE but do not do their work for them. You get sucked in. I would have (if I had the cash) hired a good criminal defense attorney and spoken in his/her prescence, with his/her advice only. I think a lot of LE give the same advice to their family.
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PIGINPAIN
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My dad was a criminal defense attorney for 28 years and I just hit 15 yrs of LE. I agree 110% cooperate, but not without an attorney. If you tell a cop "I want to cooperate 100%, I would just like to get an attorney here first" most of the LE I know will respect you for it. If they try to talk you out of it BEWARE!!! That is the time to say I want an attorney present before we talk any further.
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rkjones
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I doubt he could have used NWW as someone posted above. They don't have an online questionare anymore and haven't for a long time because of reasons like this! They require medical records from a physcian with your ID blown up. They have caught a person ordering under 2 different names and using med records so they are on the ball! Don't underestimate the powers of some of the record OP's that don't take lightly to this kinda ilegal activity. NWW will report you to the authorities if they catch illigal activity so i doubt this guy used them. 
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oldandwise
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I doubt he could have used NWW as someone posted above. They don't have an online questionare anymore and haven't for a long time because of reasons like this! They require medical records from a physcian with your ID blown up. They have caught a person ordering under 2 different names and using med records so they are on the ball! Don't underestimate the powers of some of the record OP's that don't take lightly to this kinda ilegal activity. NWW will report you to the authorities if they catch illigal activity so i doubt this guy used them.
Nww does require records. But only for refills. The intial fill will be sent out without them. Also when you sign up for a consult you do fill out a online questionare . That asks all kinds of things about your condition...
I think the other poster was saying. That he got the intial fill sold them on the street. Then did not get the refills..
Everyone have a great holiday weekend... 
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seaofyouth
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You are all right, they showed up at my house and effectively scared the shite out of me. After threatening me with conspiracy ( which was just assumption on their part ) they said 'look we know he spearheaded the whole thing, we just want a cooperative witness'
There are a few details I would not want to post for my own protection, but the cops knew I was friends with this guy, WAS friends with him, because you know what? The first day UPS showed up at my house with a package a of pills I didn't order, and I came outside and told Brown to send it back, that I didn't order it, the agent I spoke of and one other were parked about 40 feet from my door behind a mound of dirt ( I pieced all this together after with the help of friends and neighbors ) watching to see If I was going to pick it up. After I came back inside, the Defendant pulls up in my driveway and knocks on my door, all while I am under serveillance. I didn't answer the door because I said to myself as I was coming back in the door that "this feels like a set-up"
When they finally said " hey we were watching the day that package came and the defendant showed up not 2 min. after " I sighed relief. To which I responded " well you saw that I refused it, told the UPS man to send it back and that I didn't order it. And you also saw that I didn't open the door for X, right?" They said 'yes' , we just want a witness. Yea I should have gotten a lawyer, but cops have a way of making your butthole pucker up from fear . . I guarantee you if I had been a part of these goings on I would without a doubt not be posting this right now.
This is just what's happening in my town.Enjoy it while it lasts, because it won't. . .Do you think this is the only case of the rxhot exploitation? I guarantee you one thing, I WON'T be using ANY OP's in the near future.
It has been effectively ruined for me.
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tb1218
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You really have good gut instincts because I probably just would have received the package out of curiosity never thinking of a set up, or a visitor to come get it. Good thinking on your part.
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mizzzj
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This is one main reason that places are being scrutinized and closed down, even the legit OPs are having problems with the people who decide they want to be drug dealers.
With the use of a scanner and software, documents can be falsified, Any OP, or private citizen could unknowingly be a victim of fraud.
Still, always consult an attorney to avoid entrapment. You can be completely innocent and by answering LE's questions, end up in the slammer wondering "what happened?"
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JeanneLynn
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How do you think that the DEA found out about this guy? Obviously, he was double dipping in a bad way, but do you think the no record OPs caught on and reported him? Or do you think the neighbors that he was sending drugs to reported this? I'd guess that UPS got suspicious when he flagged them down and was paying for orders under all different names with money orders! That is kind of suspicious behavior, especially if the guy has a shady reputation.
I personally don't double dip, but I don't take very many hydros. My tolerance is low, so most of the time I can get by with breaking one of them in half and taking the half with one or two ibuprofen tablets. My Records Required OP prescribes up to 120 a month, so that is more than enough for me. But I read that some people are ordering from all of the no records OPs in a very short time. And most of them will only prescribe 60 a month, so I'm sure that some do have to order from more than one, especially if their tolerance is high and they need much more than 60 hydros a month. If someone has no records, then they'd pretty much have to double dip to get the right amount of medicine, I suppose. Yikes, and the expense of those no records OPs is incredible!
I personally wouldn't have talked to anyone without a lawyer present. But you have really good instincts to have refused that package! This is a very interesting story, I'm wondering what the outcome will be! This guy had some major nerve!
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PIGINPAIN
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The delivery companies do ocassionally report unusual behavior. The most common source of an informant is when a drug user is arrested for a crime (ie shoplifting to support their drug habit) and they offer information about a "bigger fish" in order to get themselves out of trouble. I always love to watch TV and movies were the bad guys talk about "the code" or "honor among thieves." I laugh my head off. 95% of the people I arrested would offer up their own family, some actually did, to get out of going to prison. You have to kind of feel bad for a person who has hit that low of a point in their life, but there is an old saying amongst the OG's (Original Gangsters- a truly bad dude) "don't do the crime, if you can't do the time." Not sure of the origin, but I have heard many of the gang member's use it and it is appropriate.
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seaofyouth
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How they found out is really irrelevant,I watched this stupid FK in action. He was using 4 pharmacies, and was recieving 90count 2mg Klonopin, 60 count 10mg Norco, 60 and 90 count Xanax2mg, he was getting about 10 packages a week, possibly more. I say he got 'caught' when people started to complain to UPS about them getting pills sent to them, with their name on it, that they didn't order.I know for a fact that UPS gave the first lead. So you guys who get weird comments from the UPS guy shows up with your meds, better heed this warning, this IS going to come to an end, and if you are double dipping, or going effing bonkers like the guy I started this thread about, you are probably going to get a free jail ticket.
~Sea
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akia1
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Quote:
there is an old saying amongst the OG's (Original Gangsters- a truly bad dude) "don't do the crime, if you can't do the time." Not sure of the origin, but I have heard many of the gang member's use it and it is appropriate.
Hi,
well back in the day I was involved in "Organized Crime"... where Patch paid off the local sherriff every week so we could operate unhindered.
and this ain't a case of "Organized Crime"... just some greedy bastard.
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seaofyouth
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Well it's almost been a month and he of course if still in jail. His family doesn't have $75,000 ( Yes I just made an anonymous call to the County Jail ) to bail him out, but I think they are smarter than that anyway. I don't think I mentioned that they seized over 4000$ ( that was in his pocket when they arrested him ) , his car, his property, and his computer. His girlfriend was only 15. .I am guessing that's the only reason she was not charged as a conspiritor.She's been putting out the word that he was "snitched on" , they both are totally convinced that his actions were incognito ( I guess the illusion developes with a large crack habit coupled with brazen criminal activity ) and that he never would have been caught if: I ,six UPS driver, and 4 other individuals in the town(who were seen with him, or were unlucky enough to be in his little contact book he had in his house) had not signed statements.
Those darn snitches (extreme sarcasm off )
Such idiocy. . .hypocrisy
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