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anxietystruk
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wellbutrin
      #138695 - 02/18/04 05:50 AM

could anyone give me some info on wellbutrin. not basic info i can find on the web. i need to know the side effects when you start the med etc. i tried it awhile back and was wondering if the side effects i had the 3 days i tried to take it were normal and if i should give it another go for anxiety/panic/mild depression caused form anxiety/panic. my symptoms were as follows....edgy, kinda moody, irritated, like i had too much caffiene. etc. thanks
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Re: wellbutrin [Re: anxietystruk]
      #138722 - 02/18/04 07:07 AM

All the symptoms you describe are potential side-effects of any antidepressant.

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: anxietystruk]
      #138724 - 02/18/04 07:11 AM

A nice little side effects from this drug they sometimes play down is seizures. I was taking it twice a day for months and then one day *bam* seizure. No more wellbutrin for me. Now, I'm forever screwed up and it sucks. I'll be on anti-seizure meds the rest of my life just so I don't look like I'm being electrocuted with all the twitching I do. Think long and hard and see if there is another one that has less chance of seizure associated with it.

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: Sweetz]
      #138793 - 02/18/04 10:24 AM

Wellbutrin is structurally related to Tenuate Dospan, thus similar side effects to cental nervous system stimulant drugs.

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: anxietystruk]
      #161937 - 05/13/04 03:18 PM

My son was prescribed wellbutrin sr. He had problems with violence in school. I took him off it. I was prescribed this drug myself as well as an adult friend of mine. All three of us experienced the same symptoms. Sleeplessness was one. The most alarming one was that within a half hour of taking it, we felt like punching someone out.

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: Sweetz]
      #161982 - 05/13/04 07:18 PM

My mom was also on wellbutrin to stop smoking and had a seizure on it. My sister takes it and so far she's done okay on it. Sweetz, i'm sorry to hear that you now have problems because of it. I know i wouldn't take it because of my mom having the seizure. But like i said, so far my sister has done okay, a little moody, but she's always been like that, lol. Take care.

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: apkjezebel]
      #161998 - 05/13/04 08:27 PM

Hi: Just wanted to make a comment about Wellbutrin. There are a lot of antidepressants out there; I've tried over a dozen. Most doctors are not too willing to let you experiment a little, and try different ones. They just hand you a perscription of what they think will work. I have a friend who has responded well to wellbutrin, but when I tried it, I felt nervous and just rotten. We need to get a little assertive, and insist on changing medications if the present one isn't working well. I finally got lucky and found one with low side effects, and does what it's supposed to; Lexapro. Hope you find the antidepressant that fits you.

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: tomm498]
      #162077 - 05/14/04 10:49 AM

I have known Wellbutrin has been prescribed to help people quit smoking, but not too long ago a friend of mine said she went to the doctor for help with her weight problem and she said he prescribed her a diet aid, when I asked her what it was she said Wellbutrin. I had never heard of it being an aid to weight loss just smoking and as an anitdepressant. I was wondering if her doctor thought she was depressed and overeating due to that, has anyone else ever heard anything like that? She has by the way lost a little weight(not much) but says she cant sleep well anymore.

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: tb1218]
      #162110 - 05/14/04 01:24 PM

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I was wondering if her doctor thought she was depressed and overeating due to that, has anyone else ever heard anything like that?




That's my guess as to the main reason he picked it. But weight loss is also a side effect of Wellbutrin, though it's not very significant. It's a mild, mild stimulant so there is a little energy boost there which could help with exercise and also the motivation to exercise and be more active. In the beginning, the stimulant effects are more pronounced- it's possible the doctor was also thinking that she'd get a psychological boost ala "this is the drug that will finally help me lose weight" and it gets her into a healthy cycle of eating and curbing her appetite, while giving her the energy to exercise- even though those effects wane over time in most people, at least it would get her into a good cycle upfront.

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: ladyhoodoo]
      #162136 - 05/14/04 03:34 PM

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The most alarming one was that within a half hour of taking it, we felt like punching someone out


boy, this is really interesting to me, i've tapered off of celexa and had wellbutrin added, since it was added i have been incredibily irritable. every little thing makes me angry. i think i'll flush the wellbutrin. thanx for sharing.

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: caramello51]
      #162148 - 05/14/04 04:35 PM

I take Wellbutrin for ADD and I can't really tell you if it has a weight effect or not. I've always been rather thin and I cerainly didn't lose anymore weight while I've been taking it (5 years). It is a very light stimulant or I guess to be technical it is not a stimulant but has a stimulating effect. (Yeah - sounds like the same thing to me too - but try to tell that to my doc...)

I haven't had the horrible side effects described by some posters either. I did have sleeping difficulties for the first little while - actually I didn't sleep for three nights in a row the first time I took it. But it went away quickly and I have had less side effects from this medication than any other. It's not the BEST ADD med but it works pretty well. I can't take ritalin or adderall so I have to rely on it.

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: ladyhoodoo]
      #162172 - 05/14/04 06:25 PM

Hi,

My 8 yr old Daughter has been prescribed this medication and I worry about the side effects. I took it once to stop smoking and after about 2 weeks had a major seizure and my Dr. took me off it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
She takes 2 150mg sr a day and I have not seen any evidence that it is helping her but her Dr. insists it safe. I'm not so sure. Please advise. Thanks.

Mikey


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Re: wellbutrin [Re: madmikey]
      #162811 - 05/18/04 02:10 AM

As someone else alluded here, Wellbutin is unique among antidepressants in that it works primarily on the dopamine system in the brain. Most others, especially the more recent ones, work on the serotonin system like the SSRI’s (Prozac, Paxil). Others work on the serotonin and neorephrine systems.

Anyway, Welbutrin works by blocking uptake of dopamine therefore increasing its supply in the brain. This is not unlike the way cocaine or most other CNS stimulants work. Although obviously in a more controlled, moderated way. Dopamine plays a major role in mood as well as physical activity.

Seizures are the primary concern with this drug and although they are rare, as you had one you see they can happen. Otherwise the side affects are similar as with other anti-depressants, with the major advantage being less sexual side effects (something your 8 year old obviously doesn’t have to worry about!). To put your mind somewhat at ease, I know several people who use this drug with no ill effects. In fact you are the first I have heard who had a major seizure from it.

I actually use Paxil, have been on it for over three years and am very happy with its affects except, alas, the sexual side-effects. Viagra solves part of the issue. But only part. Still, I will swear by it for it much improved me.

As far as whether Wellbutrin is right for your Daughter and whether its helping her, I do not know enough about her condition to say. But I offer a few things to consider:

1) 8 is very young to be starting on an antidepressant. I’m not saying it may not be right for her but at that young age, where children are going through all kinds of emotions just growing up, its sometimes hard to tell if an antidepressant is really needed. So, I would definitely get a second opinion and follow up with at least monthly visits initially to see if it is helping her and especially if she needs to stay on it. If its just for “event related” depression (like a divorce or death of a loved one) sometimes a few months is all that is needed and she can be taken off.

2) Any antidepressant takes 2 - 4 weeks before the full affects are felt. And the affects are subtle. You don’t wake up one day and feel totally better. You just begin to notice you can focus better, sleep better, have more energy, enjoy life more, etc. So you may need to give it some time.

3) Different antidepressants work for different people. It is quite common that people have to try a few before they find the one that works best for them. If after giving the drug about 6 weeks and noticeable improvement is not seen, consider switching to another.

4) At 8 years old, if there are some depression issues brewing with your daughter you may want to consider psychological counseling as either an alternative or to supplement the medication. Again, unless there are obvious event related reasons, you probably should find out why an 8 year old girl needs anti-depressants and whether there are some issues that can be worked out through counseling rather than masking them through drugs (and I am not one who is against drugs!). Even for adults, antidepressant medication works best when its combined with counseling.

I hope this helps some. Good luck.


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Re: wellbutrin [Re: caramello51]
      #162878 - 05/18/04 09:53 AM

Caramello,

How long have you been on the Wellbutrin? It sometimes takes a couple of months to settle into the meds. It took almost 2 months on Wellbutrin to see any change in emotions/feelings.

I was taking Effexor and my hair began coming out--in clumps! I have waist length hair and lost about 1/3 of my hair. When I washed my or brushed it, it looked like I was a chemo patient.

I spoke to the doc about this and he said it wasn't the Effexor, probably something else. Did research on the net, and found quite a few folks have that problem with Effexor. Next visit, I showed him the posts and he said "Well, the med CAN cause problems for some folks!?!?!"

Switched to Wellbutrin and taking mass amounts of Zinc, magnesium, etc to help hair loss. Only problem is the Wellbutrin doesn't control the depression as well as Effexor or Celexa. Of course, they act on a totally different part of the brain, so that could explain it.

One interesting thing about Wellbutrin: literature states the mechanism of action is unknown.

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: Dazzle]
      #162897 - 05/18/04 11:40 AM

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literature states the mechanism of action is unknown.




Just gotta love this! If we made a list of meds/conditions that fit this phrase, we'd fill up half the board! At least they're honest!

PS. I'm on Effexor XR and it's the only AD that's worked for me and my migraines. Although, they don't know how it helps migraines, but it does (a little)

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: Sweetz]
      #162926 - 05/18/04 01:08 PM

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literature states the mechanism of action is unknown.


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Just gotta love this! If we made a list of meds/conditions that fit this phrase, we'd fill up half the board! At least they're honest!






Quite true. The explanation I gave about how Wellbutrin works in a previous post is, from tests, how it appears to alter brain chemistry. But how this altering of chemistry translates into the anti-depressant affects of the medication is still unknown.

What is particularly interesting about anti-depressants is why they take so long to start working. The affects on the brain chemistry are immediate with the taking of the first pill. Yet the anti-depressant affects aren’t felt until weeks of daily use. No one has any real clue why this is the case. Now, you could make the argument that it takes time for it to alter the delicate balance of chemicals in the brain enough to make difference in mood. And, in fact, this is the most commonly accepted theory. However, as we all know, other drugs, from benzo’s to cocaine have a quite immediate affect on mood. On the positive side, anti-depressants’ slow action may be at least part of the reason why tolerance and addiction are not much of a problems with them, as opposed to the drugs that give you an immediate “buzz.“

I think I read somewhere that as much progress as we have made in understanding how the brain functions we still probably only understand about 2%. So, with a lot of these "chemicals," years after they are released you find out side affects (sometimes positive, as in aspirin) that no one knew about. Also, if you want to be scared take a look at the "rare" side affect list on any med’s manufacturer’s insert. It lists pretty much about every nasty affect you can think of. Showing, I think, how unique we all are and that what works on person may not on another. Or may cause different side affects.


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Re: wellbutrin [Re: nycalt]
      #162929 - 05/18/04 01:20 PM

The doctor tried to prescibe that wellbutrin to me, but I heard really bad things. I'm on Lexapro, and I feel much better, no side effects and I can fuction fine, I have to take a Valium to calm down sometimes, I have insomnia, like since I was little.

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: Sweetz]
      #163071 - 05/19/04 07:46 AM

Hi Sweetz,

The docs started me on Topomax, along w/ severval other meds, for my back. I also have migraines, sometimes incapacitating, and have noticed a decrease in my HAs since I began taking the Topomax. I was later told that many docs are perscribing this for Migraines. (Noted side effects is weight loss-yeah!) Have you heard of this?

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: nycalt]
      #163108 - 05/19/04 10:12 AM

The reaction to Wellbutrin must depend on one's body chemistry.

Wellbutrin and I didn't get along very well, at all. I thought I was going to jump out of my skin and experienced seizure-like activity. Couldn't even "ramp-up" to the higher level recommended for quitting smoking. My husband, on the other hand, took the same amount that I did, even increased it, and felt few side-effects.

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On the positive side, anti-depressants’ slow action may be at least part of the reason why tolerance and addiction are not much of a problems with them, as opposed to the drugs that give you an immediate “buzz.“




While clinical addiction may not be a problem with SSRIs, getting off them after years of use requires a long-term taper similar to opiates. - This is another life's lesson which I learned the hard way.

Having finally backed-off Prozac, I'm now on Paxil and heard that it can take a while to disperse Paxil from the brain, as well.

It will be interesting to discover what impact "fine-tuning" our brains with anti-depressants will have on us as we age.

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: Dazzle]
      #163113 - 05/19/04 10:50 AM

OH YES! I know Topomax, also termed Dopamax very well. I tried it also. I wanted off the Depakote very badly because of the awful side effects, so I weaned myself. It was tough, but I did it. I couldn't even get up to 50 mg. of topomax and my goal was 200 mg a day! We then tried Zonegran, another one like topomax, no go. then, Gabitril, again, no go, almost fainted on that one. These were supposed to help my seizure situation and also migraines. After my neuro tried all he could try, ran all the tests he could run, he cut me loose and told me to go see someone else. Nice guy, eh?

On a side note, my hubby went to the doctor (can you believe it?? over 5 yrs since he's gone). They talked about him wanting to quit smoking. the doctor mentioned Wellbutrin. Hubby shrugged it off and came home and told me and we both had a good laugh about it. This isn't the doctor I had when I had the seizure, so she prolly just doesn't recall the incident. I doubt she'll ever convince him to try it though after what happened to me out of the blue.

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Re: wellbutrin [Re: Sweetz]
      #163208 - 05/19/04 04:07 PM

I was on 250 mg of topamax for quite a while for headaches. I'm now tapering, and am down to 50. Didn't do a thing for me. According to my doc, only about 60% of topamax prescriptions are written for seizures . The remainder are for off label uses, the major one being headaches.
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Re: wellbutrin [Re: Janbo]
      #163320 - 05/20/04 02:15 AM

Yes, and unfortunately Paxil, with its short half life (for SSRI’s) of 24 hours is supposedly one of the worst for withdrawal symptoms. Although I will say I did stop for like six months a year ago and although I had some flu like symptoms, anxiety, etc. it wasn’t that bad. Let’s just say I’ve had worse withdrawals!!

I guess part of my point was its probably good to some degree that antidepressants don't have such an immediate and dramatic affect of mood. Otherwise they'd be scheduled, controlled substances too with kids grinding them up and snorting them or some such thing and us begging for IOP's to send them to us at $20 a pill!!

You know anything fun is illegal, expensive, and/or fattening!


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Re: wellbutrin [Re: nycalt]
      #221255 - 02/02/05 11:24 AM

Does wellbutrin do anything for tobacco withdrawl, other than make the cigarettes taste horrible? I already have a good antidepressant and I can get the herbs (lobellia?) to make the tobacco taste bad. Is there any other reason to use wellbutrin in a stop-smoking regimen?

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