fromabove
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Ehh? I don't take Vioxx - I just wanted to scoop up stock while it's low and sell later when it's high. No need to be nasty!
I wasn't being nasty, just being real. You called yourself "my political enemy" as well as yourself being a "hypocrite". I never agreed to being your political enemy, just agreed with the hypocrite label you gave yourself, thats all. That was only my agreement with you, not being nasty. 
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Therion
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Just how could you place seamstresses into context of what I was saying? Or are you just belittling me for my spelling?
Actually, I was merely attempting to inject a little humor into a board that far too often falls into patterns of grim seriousness. You'll have to admit that the mental picture of lawyers sewing two people together is rather amusing.
Now if you'll please excuse me I have to get back to worshipping Satan, promoting late-term abortions and selling heroin to elementary school students. You know, the regular stuff that all us Liberals do.
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cody
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For future reference....it's SUE not SEW.
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Stardog
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Ehh? I don't take Vioxx - I just wanted to scoop up stock while it's low and sell later when it's high. No need to be nasty!
I wasn't being nasty, just being real. You called yourself "my political enemy" as well as yourself being a "hypocrite". I never agreed to being your political enemy, just agreed with the hypocrite label you gave yourself, thats all. That was only my agreement with you, not being nasty.
The political enemy bit was a joke, dude, you know that! I was trying to set you up to make a joke at my expense! Just bein' nice, man!
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Stardog
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Now if you'll please excuse me I have to get back to worshipping Satan, promoting late-term abortions and selling heroin to elementary school students. You know, the regular stuff that all us Liberals do.
You should join our liberal club - we have married gay people having orgies while simultaneously performing partial-birth abortions on preteens who were convinced to have sex when we mischieviously got laws passed to make condoms available in schools. It's great!
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Therion
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You should join our liberal club - we have married gay people having orgies while simultaneously performing partial-birth abortions on preteens who were convinced to have sex when we mischieviously got laws passed to make condoms available in schools. It's great!
That sounds AWESOME! I know some other Liberals who are trying to enact a law that will impose the death penalty on anyone who recites 'The Pledge of Allegiance,' and who are planning on dumping LSD in all the water supplies of every city in America. Perhaps we could all get together and kidnap old ladies and force them to listen to recordings of Fidel Castro and Che Guevara until they were BRAIN-WASHED. After we swap spouses, of course.
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fromabove
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OK I get it!
Do you need money to join? Or must you have an active or successful lawsuit to be eligible?
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dsmmcm
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OK I get it!
At least for once, you get it.
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barett
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Yes, take your unused Vioxx back to the pharmacy where you filled it, and they will reimburse you. I have read this in the paper and heard it on TV. I sure hate to see it go. I couldn't take it often, but for my feet - it was the only thing that worked. And I cannot take any of the OLD arthritis medicines that are like "firebombs."
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dman22
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Hi emb708,
She's stubborn and won't do or take anything her doctor won't prescribe. That's just her way though.. hehe. She's heard me talk about Vicodin before and that's probably one of the reasons she won't take it. Thanks for your thoughts.
D-
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dman22
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Opie - What's even scarier is that she's just been put on that infusion drug Remicade which is brand new.
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Eeyore27
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I find it especially interesting, considering the fact that all this time that I've been having trouble with back pain the amount of times that I was sent home with bags full of samples for Vioxx with a prescription for it, yet my old doctor wouldn't prescribe me the prescription strength Ibuprofen I asked for, let alone a narcotic or opiate pain medication. It's also not surprising that she prescribed me an antiarthritic med since she was the quack that misdiagnosed me as having arthritis in my back without even sending me for so much as an X-ray, let alone an MRI.
If it hadn't been for my most recent experience when I aggravated my condition at my old job, I probably would have never found out that I even had herniated discs or degenerative disc disease in my back at all. At least the Comp doctors were kind enough to milk my case long enough to send me for an MRI and get me a real diagnosis. Of course, I didn't have a job to go back to once they got done with me, but that's another issue entirely.
I can almost bet on the fact that the fact that my old quack doctor even prescribed Vioxx to me is going to be oh so conveniently "omitted" from my medical records. I only took it a few times, but hell, what if I had taken it consistently? I probably wouldn't have lived long enough to be writing this post, that's for sure...
Eeyore
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pecan
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Celebrex and Vioxx are both Cox-2 inhibitors. So I think it is the same drug, really. I stopped giving celebrex to my husband when this news came out.
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pecan
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HEY!!!! Is anyone else getting stuck in places on this board??? Is DB having problems??? I can't get anywhere most of the time, but then some of the time it will let me get on the VIP board, but Nowhere else. Like it won't let me change forums on either side. Has anyone else had trouble????? Every where I go that page comes up that say "Page cannot be displayed". I'm even having trouble getting THIS message to post.
HELP!!!!!!
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Opie_Yates
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Opie - What's even scarier is that she's just been put on that infusion drug Remicade which is brand new.
Well...I took a couple of professional samples of Vioxx, and it never touched me. Now Celebrex is great when my hands are cramped and clawed in the morning (I make 90 pound batches of soaps, lotions, and creams now that I started my own business...aaaaaaagggggghhhh!). It would be a drag to see Celebrex follow Vioxx because as much Norco as I take a day (5), it still doesn't help my hands to get going on those certain mornings. I actually like it occasionally.
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Eeyore27
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Celebrex and Vioxx are both Cox-2 inhibitors. So I think it is the same drug, really. I stopped giving celebrex to my husband when this news came out.
Jeez, it gets even worse! I also had Celebrex prescribed to me, which also didn't seem to work for me, but my mom has them prescribed to her for Arthritis, now I'm wondering if I should tell her to stop taking them?
My stepfather has been taking Vioxx for at least 3 years now, and the last few times he went to see his doc, he was told that he has hypertension, and he has complained of having chest pains before this bomb even dropped. I told him to stop taking them immediately, and to ask his lawyer what could be done about the fact that he's been taking Vioxx all this time and all of a sudden, he's having chest pain & hypertension. I don't know if the 2 are related or not, but he didn't have these problems before taking Vioxx.
I swear, we're like the crippled family on my block, my stepdad & me both have bad backs, & my mom has arthritis, even our dog is starting to have troulbe with her back legs & the vet is saying that she has the beginning stages of arthritis. I'm wondering if the neighbors find any humor in this? LOL, sorry, it's just something that I kind of find sone irony/humor in, since I'm sure the whole neighborhood has seen us all limping around, including the dog now. The vet said that we could mix some baby aspirin in with her food, what the heck kind of suggestion is that?? Is that even safe to do to your pet? I'm sure that there has to be some kind of medicine available for pets that could be prescribed for that, but she suggested mixing the baby aspirin in with her food, which I found very odd.
Oh well, sorry for going off topic on that tangent, it's just something I found to be a little bit strange.
But the Vioxx issue is really starting to bother me now, especially since both my mom & stepdad have been taking Vioxx & Celebrex for their own conditions. I'm going to have to call one of my sisters now and find out what the doctor they work for has to say about the Celebrex, since it may or may not be related to Vioxx. Thanks for the food for thought.
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okdoki
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I have a knee doctor who told me last January there were problems with these new wonder drugs. He had quit prescribing them at that point. He only spoke of vioxx and celebrex. He just said there were side effects and they were not as good as advertised. I did not pay much attention to him as I do not take them. If he knew this ten months ago why so long to pull vioxx? He also seemed very sure celebrex was just as bad. He is a well respected doc at a major metro knee clinic,that takes care of most of the pro teams in town.
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zippy66
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Pfizer says that Celebrex does not have the same problems as Vioxx even though both are Cox-2 inhibitors. Apparently chemically they are very different. I just bought a whole swack of Celebrex and want to know if anyone has reliably heard either way if Celebrex will lead to the same problems or why is it different. Tell me before the heart attack. Is Pfizer just better at hiding the truth?
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AngelWolf13
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hi stardog,
sorry for the late response but, my back and neck have been killing me lately. i blame a lot of it on pt, but today i told my physical therapist that whatever she was doing to make it worse, STOP IT! so we'll see what happens.....
just wanted to say thanks ***blush*** for the compliment. and in response to your question, no, i am thoroughly guitarist. 
cheers, c.(angel)
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AngelWolf13
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zippy,
merck just burned us, should we now put our faith in pfizer???? these big drug corporations are in such fierce competition and are so eager to make a killing in the market it's obvious that $ comes before our health. and because doctors are getting busted left and right for trying to ease the pain of the suffering by prescribing effective narcotics, they are desperate to fill in that gap. they need some other kinds of (non-narcotic)meds to treat pain so critically that, to the giant drug companies, it's like an early x-mas! i don't know which came first, vioxx or celebrex, but do you think that if one company creates a drug that doctors are prescribing excessively, the other will just sit back and watch? they want a piece of the action too, and afaik, both celebrex and vioxx work in much the same way. i wouldn't be surprised if they pull celebrex next.
i stopped taking celebrex a while ago because after a couple of days it was totally ineffective for me. might be a blessing in disguise. i refuse to take it now, period. zippy, i didn't mean to sound harsh, but when you stated that you just bought a whole swack of celebrex i was a bit alarmed. also, just today i found an article on MedicineNet.com that, frankly, concerned me. i was going to start a new thread on it but i am going to post it here. well, maybe i will start a new thread after this. here is the article...
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Vioxx or Celebrex, Which is Safer?
A study of people enrolled in the Kaiser Permanente health plan reportedly found that heart attack rates and sudden cardiac deaths were tripled in patients taking Vioxx in doses higher than 25 milligrams a day compared to those taking a competing drug, Celebrex. The study was done by personnel at the FDA, who said that "this and other studies cast serious doubt on the safety" of Vioxx and that Celebrex "may be safer."
Comments: We do not know what to make of this story. It has not appeared in a peer-reviewed medical journal to our knowledge nor has it been published in any other form. We tried and could not find it on the FDA site (or on the Kaiser Permanente site). We would like to see a report of the study so that we can evaluate it.
We also do not understand how FDA personnel can say that Celebrex "may be safer." It seems highly unprofessional for the FDA, if they did, to enter into the competition between these two popular drugs for arthritis.
This story looks to be a case of preliminary medical information dispensed at a press conference. The FDA should come clean and issue a proper warning and back it up with the facts.
Barbara K. Hecht, Ph.D.
Frederick Hecht, M.D.
Medical Editors, MedicineNet.com
please, be careful, hon. this applies to everyone else too!
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zippy66
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Thanks anelwolg, that was a great snippet of info. Fact is I just take them occasionally, once a month maybe for minor arthritis pain when it gets really bad so i'm not concerned. I just bought a lot because my drug plan pays most of it and I may be off the drug plan soon. I suspect you are right, though, and this is just frantic propaganda and panic by pfizer before they "really know". If I was a regular longterm user I would stop ... NOW.
Thanks again
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Opie_Yates
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Thanks anelwolg, that was a great snippet of info. Fact is I just take them occasionally, once a month maybe for minor arthritis pain when it gets really bad so i'm not concerned. I just bought a lot because my drug plan pays most of it and I may be off the drug plan soon. I suspect you are right, though, and this is just frantic propaganda and panic by pfizer before they "really know". If I was a regular longterm user I would stop ... NOW.
Thanks again
Zip
I just started taking Celebrex a lot less frequent after this. Anyone have any luck with naproxen and arthritis?
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