houguy
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Well, I finally opened that certified letter I had in my drawer for a month that was mistakenly signed for by a friend. It was just a form letter telling what was seized and there were some attached papers to fill out if you wanted to contest the seizure or tell them to go ahead and dispose of it. I believe it also said that they will hold it for 30 days and if they don't hear from you, they are required to send 3 letters to inform you that they will dispose of the property. Can you imagine the amount of money they must spend every day for the tens of thousands certified letters mailed every day. I even read somewhere that a valid prescription from a U.S. doctor is not even valid if you try to get it fill in another country and they will seize that also. Is this mass amount of seizures happening to people ordering meds from U.S. OP's ?
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AngelWolf13
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Is this mass amount of seizures happening to people ordering meds from U.S. OP's ?
at least not by customs.....
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drac747
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They dont send notices to everyone. Not sure how many they do send out, but due to the number of shipments arriving into the U.S., the lack of staff, and the paperwork involved to send one notice out, I'd estimate 1 out of 500 seized shipments gets a notice, if not less.
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theborg
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Does the letter generally name the medication? Like "valium" or "xanax". Would it be better if pills didn't have any identification with them? I mean, how far would they go?Would they take it to the lab to find out what it was? I doubt it.
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Listvoer
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You may be right re the ratio of seizures to letters, but still, don't underestimate the gov't ability to waste time, tax dollars, and manpower on useless tasks like this. FWIW i've been using IOPs since they started popping up on the web (and even a few thru the mail.... anyone remember libertarian solutions?) and of the MANY i've ordered, I can only recall 4 packages that didn't arrive. 2 were seizures, one in the late 1990s and another about 2 weeks ago (gigapharma of course), and of the 2 that did not arrive and didn't involve a love letter, both of the IOPS blatantly kept the money and sent nothing. SpeedRx? Curepharma? Other than that, every single package has either made it or on those very rare occasions a love letter.
Personally, I think *some* IOPS have a small habit of occasionally not sending out an order, then claiming it must have been seized with no love letter being sent. Selective scammers. Not blaming anyone in particular (no current ones come to mind) but it's something to think about.
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Lablady2
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I have had three - two 4 months ago and one last month - that never arrived - no love letter, no nothing. First shipment and reshipment was from Trusted whom I understand had many problems in that time frame with shipments to US. Recent one was from a new place - who knows what happened - am just leaving it alone and will eat the money - not a large amount - rather than risk a reship. From now on I am only ordering from places like OurRxforless who have DOMESTIC shipment option even though they are an IOP. Don't want any problems with customs......
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neatjs
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I had an order that took four months to get to me and it was unmolested with a postmark of origin with the date four months earlier. I kept on bugging the iop about it (a medium size order) and they said it would come. Finally gave up (way past chargeback time)and one day I open the door and there it was. Snail mail or a gift from God, whatever I was happy. I think way less than 1% of orders get seized. And if it was a matter of packing pharma24 is the worst and I have always received their orders.
In six year I have only had one and that was because it came in on the wrong side of the country, the West Coast big box with pharmacy return address. Was not a big order just a big box. I did order a few times more and they all came. I just think it is the luck of the draw and jeez make sure you pick your iop wisely.
I order at least twice a month and my postman says "sign here" and I think "he knows, I know, he knows, I know". So it's hot, I get him a can of cold soda, he says "
thanks,have a good day". Been lucky I guess.
Sunny
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houguy
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Yes....all of the seizure letters I've gotten have listed the drug name on it and why it was seized.
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lifeisabeach
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I ordered Lasix from Horizon Drugs in Costa Rica about a month ago and the USPS tracking says its been in customs for about 2 weeks. Does this mean I'm in trouble and I'll get a letter? Gosh, I didn't think Lasix was anything for them to worry about when all these people are getting all these pain pills(which, thank goodness I don't need. I'm not knocking people who need their pain meds just trying to figure out what's so bad about Lasix. Also, do any of you have any experience ordering from edrug.net?
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harley88
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I never got a letter ,but my package [envelope ] had been slit on one end abou 2/3 of the width .It was all the there but untill I opened it ,I was worried that I had been robbed or that LEO would get me before I got home from the post office.Overall it was pretty nerve racking .This had only been my 2nd IOP order ever. This just happened last month.
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Edited by harley88 (08/05/04 09:30 PM)
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lifeisabeach
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Hi Harley!
Thanks for responding - I guess in the future I'm going to go back to myrxforless because I've ordered from them a few times and never had any problem - guess they have some way of not going through customs. By the way, very nice Harley 
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lindatexas
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Personally, I think *some* IOPS have a small habit of occasionally not sending out an order, then claiming it must have been seized with no love letter being sent. Selective scammers. Not blaming anyone in particular (no current ones come to mind) but it's something to think about.
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Guys, think logically for a moment.
No pharmacy that accepts credit card payment would risk to not send an order out on purpose!
(Or send an order out short, delay a shipment or do anything to cause the customer to be unhappy.)
What could happen? The customer disputes the credit card charge, the OP will have their account frozen if too many people do this and can not charge credit cards anymore and can not accept new orders, is out of business and lost a lot of money. What pharmacy would want to risk having to tell their customers: 'Sorry, we can not take your order, we can not charge your credit card anymore'.
Every pharmacy in their right mind will try everything possible to replace an order if it was lost.
The only difficult part for a pharmacy is to know which customer is lying to get something for free and which customer really did not get their order.
A customs letter CAN help to prove it, if the letter had the date and type and quantity of the medication clearly on it. If you have a letter, tell the pharmacy, fax it to them! Show them that you are not making up stories.
Unfortunately customs steal most shipments without ever sending a letter. So sending orders by registered mail is the only way to see if a customer is honest.
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Listvoer
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Trust me, (I know you usually shouldn't trust anyone who says 'trust me' but... ) i've been using IOPs for a long, long time and have talked to some of these folks who like to brag in private about how much of a skim they can take from the cash, money-orders, etc that some customers send. I always use a credit card so i've never been particularly worried, but if you're sending a money order with NO NAME written in the :TO area of the check as some IOPs & e-mail sources require you to do, it's darn easy to pocket the cash and then when the customer complains they just keep saying "wait a few more weeks" until they stop responding to you or you give up or whatever. But truly, there are more than enough of these follks out there who never considered or cared to take VISA, know they can get more customers than they could possibly handle just by listing certain drugs on their site / med list, and they do take advantage of the more desperate folk who don't know that it's virtually impossible to get OxyContin online for any price, much less the GREAT SALE this e-mail guy has that's 5 80mg Oxys for $100. They can bring in a boatload of cash fast that way, with little recourse for the person who sent the money. All the scammed have is a postal address in the phillipines or serbia or somewhere, and a free yahoo e-mail account that they communicated to you thru. There are some very fine IOPs out there, but as time goes on their numbers are definitely dwindling. Just my 2¢ of course..
ETA: I forgot to address your last point, that Customs steals most meds anyway without sending a letter, that's crazy talk. In 10+ years of IOP use i've received 99.5% of all the orders i've placed (and that's a lot of orders), and besides the 2 places that took the money and ran, the other 2 missing orders were seized & I got the love letters from Customs. I wouldn't claim that customs doesn't steal anything, but to say that they steal most IOP orders is waaaay off.
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Edited by Listvoer (08/15/04 02:09 PM)
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