hottiefromky
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I asked the other day about what sites use what pharmacies b/c I'm kinda new to the OP thing and asked an online buddy too. Well, I have since discovered he is a triple dipper and orders from 3 different sites. How is this possible? I mean, isn't this illegal and dangerous? Or just expensive and addiction? I'm concerned that this could happen to me down the road if I don't watch myself. Never had a problem with pain before but the hydro's I'm receiving now are working quite well at the moment and don't ever want to get into a double/triple dipping situation from addiction and/or tolerance. Just a question for the chronic pain people here.......
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mkaemsa
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What exactly is your question?
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planielsen
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Sure it can happen to you. It can happen to anybody and I'm sure it happens a lot more than we hear about it. You easily build up a tolerance to it and pretty soon you find yourself having to take a day's worth in one dose. I've spoken to a few people on the board that have had to do that in order to get any therapeutic benefit from them. Be careful and get off of them for a few days every couple of months.
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mello
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It is all the above things you mentioned...illegal, etc. And as planielsen said, it can happen to anyone...that's why you hear so much about the "hydro holiday", to prevent this type of thing. I took one after my hospital stay...not a real long one, but long enough to help and now I can take a half of a Lortab with a 200mg Ibuprofen and feel the same relief I was getting from 1 whole Lortab before my "holiday". The break sucks...but do some research on the board and there is lots of good advice as to how to make it more barable. It's a good idea for anyone, and at least you have the "awareness" that it is an addictive behavior. Some people don't, and get into a very vicious cycle. That's one of the many benefits of DB...helping you keep a level head about all the addiction, etc issues involved in this.
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Jewels2
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Addiction can happen to anyone. You just have to be careful. Taking hydro holidays, like mentioned above, is always a great idea. You may be in pain during this "holiday" but in the big picture you are protecting yourself from a very vicious circle. Also it is very rare for true chronic pain patients to become addicted, tho, tolerance can be an issue. Chronic pain patients take "drugs" to live while addicts live to take drugs. Another thing, double and triple dipping can be so expensive. A lot of us have , at one time or another, done it because we have run short that month because it was a really painful month and weren't prescribed enough to last or a number of other reasons, but it is not a good idea and on top of that it is illegal. There is also the possibility of getting caught as so many ops are linked now and if caught you will be banned from using their services. I hope I don't sound like I am lecturing as that is not my intent at all. Just try to watch your intake and if possible when not at home don't take the whole prescription with you, just what you need for that day, weekend or week.
Just be careful. You will also get a lot of support here from members. DB has a wonderful group of people and most want to help others.
Take Care and Good Luck to you,
Jewels2
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soc
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I was going to give my input but Jewels2 said it much better than I!! The answer to the question is in her post. Be very aware of how many meds you take and what you spend to get them.It's easy to go overboard with both. Soc
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ValleyGuy
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I got caught up in the whole Hydro pain thing of increasing my dosage but I was like totally worried and quit for about 72 hours it wasn't easy but seemed to help with my tolerence. DD or Tiple DD is a bad thing. Always ask the Doc..
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JCBELIEVER
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with the internet & websites that talk about conditions, symptoms, & treatment, people are trying to self diagnose everyday. When a site says "THis does not replace your local doctor" it is correct. Eventhough we know what works and doesn't we are just not qualified to do that. I have found the number 1 best treatment for the type of pain I have, is rest when I can. I am not old enough to retire, not old enough to just quit, I have a family, cannot afford disability because I am not 100% disable anyway. I do require medication but when I actually get time off, I can do without the meds most of the time. My condition is caused mainly from overuse not like a back injury. I know people with back pain that rest isn't good enough cause it even hurts to lye down. All of you that get time off, be thankful. Overuse, I can't just stop using my body and must deal with it. I love rest.
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Anonymous
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JCBELIEVER == what are your trying to say in your post? It escapes me completely.
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hottiefromky
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I guess my question is how illegal/dangerous is double dipping? I just finished my last refill with exr and will NEVER use them again. Just had my first consult with YOD and the doctor made me nervous b/c he asked if I had used another OP. I get so scared some DEA person is going to show up on my doorstep.....
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lovepink
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DD'ing will not generally result in the DEA showing up on your doorstep. What it can (and will, if you're caught) result in is being blacklisted from all the OPs that share information. Many OPs utilize the same doctors, pharmacies, & computer systems...if the system catches you using 2 or more OPs simultaneously for the same type of meds, all outstanding refills you may have will be cancelled & you will not be allowed to consult with them again.
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Jewels2
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The DEA is not going to show up at your doorstep but like I told you in my above post and lovepink said in hers, if caught you can be banned from the ops,lose any and all refills and never be able to do another consult. On top of that it is illegal.
Jewels2
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TLT
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I can't say what happens when you get busted DD from an OP, but , I do know a person,(A Friend) that was from my town, that was doctor-shopping, she was charged with 8 felony counts,obtaining controlled substance by deception, and the DEA came right to her job.(How embarrasing)
Unfortunatly she told them everything, w/o an attorney, they promised her that if she would talk to them, and be upfront, that she would not be arrest her, as long as she was not Doctor-shopping for profit/selling meds. She told them the truth, that her Dr was undermedicating her, and that she had to go to different Dr's in order to get the right dose of medications.
She had only seen 3 different Dr's but the catch, was that she was using her reale name, and was giving the pharmacys a bogus SS#, Also she lied to all of the Dr's by not telling one about the other, and not telling them that she was already being prescribed pain meds.
The DEA lied to her when they told her that she would not be arrested, and she believed them, 6 weeks later she called me from jail, crying, and asking me to bail her out of jail her bond was 5000.0 but was later reduced to 2000.00
She said that the grand-jury indicted her?
I ended up getting the $$ from her family (a week later),and getting her out, When she went to court, the judge gave her 2 yrs probation, and she was ordered to seek drug counceling treatment.
The probation would had been prison time, but she had no prior felony's on her record.
I can't remember if they ended up dropping the felonies to misdemeanors, or if the felonies will remain on her record.
Terri
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Trampy
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... I mean, isn't this illegal and dangerous? Or just expensive and addiction? ... and don't ever want to get into a double/triple dipping situation from addiction and/or tolerance. ...
How dangerous it is legally depends on your state's laws. Most states make it illegal to use an alias or to give false information or withhold any relevant information in order to obtain a controlled substance. That could be interpreted to mean that you have an obligation to tell a new doctor what you're already receiving. But it's also kind of vague. Also, every one of these web forms from the OPs asks what medication you're taking. And every time i've seen a new doctor or dentist they always have me fill out a form asking what meds i'm taking. It's standard for any medical practitioner to ask, and it's usually a crime to lie if you're seeking a controlled substance.
Some states have more specific laws about requiring you to *tell* a doctor (even if they don't ask) that you have a controlled substance scrip already from another doctor. If you're in one of those states, be aware of it. Ignorance of the law is no defense.
Trampy
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TLT
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AMEN, Trampy! KY., definitly has this law!!
Terri
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