timberland
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What's midazolam like? I heard it was only for pre-surgery, so the patient doesn't remember what happened afterward.
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MrOrange
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That's right. It is not a rec drug. Stay away from it. You will not remember anything and could harm yourself and others. Don't think about driving on this stuff.
And if you still insist on using it, make sure that someone is around to monitor you, as you could OD if you misjudge your dosage. Be safe and smart.
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cleo911
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No, it's not all that strong. What you said only applies to the versed injectable solution.
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MrOrange
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Yes, the injectable form has to be administered by a doctor or nurse. I could not find any info on the pill form of Midazolam but I found the syrup form. I think that this info can be applied as well to the pill form.
I still beleive that Midazolam is nothing to be experimenting with. A quote from rxlist:
VERSED Syrup should be used only in hospital or ambulatory care settings, including physicians' and dentists' offices, that are equipped to provide continuous monitoring of respiratory and cardiac function. VERSED Syrup must only be administered to patients if they will be monitored by direct visual observation by a health care professional. If VERSED Syrup will be administered in combination with other anesthetic drugs or drugs which depress the central nervous system, patients must be monitored by persons specifically trained in the use of these drugs and, in particular, in the management of respiratory effects of these drugs, including respiratory and cardiac resuscitation of patients in the age group being treated.
For the complete info:
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic2/versedsyr_wcp.htm
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cleo911
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Yes, the versed version is nothing to fool with. The tablet form, IMO, is not much stronger than say xanax or halcion. I've had the tabs many times, but the problem with them is that midazolam is sort of a creeper benzo. Kinda spacey and rather subtle. You may find yourself feeling that it isn't doing much and end up taking some more, and before you know it you're headed into the blackout zone and won't remember much the next day. Gotta start slowly with this stuff.
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Kerrigan
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It's only a benzo. To OD would mean you'd need to eat tonnes of tablets. It's also one of the few water soluble benzos, meaning that for those of you that care, you could dissolve it in a glass of water or something like that and drink it...
I have yet to try midazolam, but would love it. However clonazepam seems to be doing a fine job of neutralizing my anxiety at the moment, although tapering the dosage is difficult at this stage...
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cleo911
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I routinely rotate between clonazepam and alprazolam. I don't think there's too much use for midazolam except maybe for sleep like halcion. It's really not like a benzo anxiety medication where you can take it and go about and function in the daily world or at work.
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willygoat62
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How would I be able to calculate an appropriate dosage on a 7.5mg Roche Dormicum Midazolam based on my height and weight? Does Midazolam have a V or X relative comparison chart posted anywhere? How strong is this Roche Dormicum Midazolam 7.5mg going to be?
I am curious because I have been afraid to take them even though they were procured through a trusted source. Since then, I heard these things are knockout powerful and perhaps darn right deadly, which seemingly applies to the verse form. I am in no need to hurry without more info.
Thanks and stay safe! PM'ing is fine...
Willy
Edited by willygoat62 (08/01/04 10:48 AM)
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cleo911
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The only benzo equivalency chart I found doesn't have a listing for midazolam. Personally, I'd say a 7.5 tab is roughly equal to 1mg xanax or 10-15mg valium. ymmv. Don't be afraid to take them, just don't take a bunch. I took 8 one time while drinking and blacked out big time 
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willygoat62
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Thanks Cat! 
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jbnugget
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One of the reasons hospitals use Versed/midazolam is because it DOES cause memory loss. The thinking is that if you don't remember the unpleasant/painful episode then it's like it never happened. It's true that a huge dose is required to OD. The danger is that it induces a state of mind which could lead to dangerous situations i.e. you forget the cigarette you just dropped on the sofa or the saucepan on the stove or the bathtub running, etc.
This is not a benzo to be fooled with. For your own safety and that of the innocent civilians who may be around you:
PLEASE, DON'T USE IT.
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diggsbakes
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Use the desired (or required) medication you need, but please learn your limits so no one gets hurt.
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toe
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Quote:
No, it's not all that strong. What you said only applies to the versed injectable solution.
Even that krap is totally worthless against (what I would imagine) are the benzo tolerances of most of us on this board. I had surgery 3 weeks ago that I had managed to sublimate my fears over (for the most part) up till then. The anesthesiologist let roll with what he presumed should be a good dose for a person of my size. Absolutely nothing. Nada. And I am not a daily benzo user.
He gave me a second dose and that's when I started freaking out and bawling (as I had, quietly, one or two nights in the week before in my bed) b/c there was a much larger chance for complications than there would be, say, if the appendage being operated on was receiving blood flow. Or if this surgery with these complications had ever been performed before. Then they gave me 100mcg of fentanyl. (That must have been when they realized that calculating "sedation" for surgery with a local only needs to take something more than weight into account. I should have told them I weigh 200 lbs)
I did finally feel the effects of 2 shots of versed and 100mcgs of fentanyl, but there was absolutely no way I was going to have the surgery without a general anesthetic. I did not want to be capable of consenting to amputation. I just didn't want to have to make that decision. I kept crying and saying, "I don't want to be awake for this, I don't want to be awake for this." My surgery was delayed over an hour because I guess they thought, for some reason, that the IV midazolam would suddenly take effect?
I don't know. I remember all of that. I remember that my surgery was scheduled to start at 11:15. That I was late into pre-op and I was bawling and watching the clock a 12:30. I said "I don't want to be awake for this" many, many times before someone finally said, "Don't worry, you wont be."
After that I don't remember anything.
This was definitely not a reaction to Versed, in case anyone was wondering. I've had IV versed for an Electrocardiogram with no effect (whatsoever) and I have taken Dormicum on numerous occasions.
The moral of my story? Get drunk before surgery and add a hundred pounds when you speak to the anesthesiologist.
J/k. I'm sure there's got to be *some* reason every drug guide in the world claims midazolam is a powerful sedative. Be careful. I don't think they will operate if you're drunk, anyway.
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zippy66
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You guys are really overdoing the warning. Unless you inject it is just another benzo with a rapid onset and short halflife. Perfect for a sleep and other certain situations. It is not sold in tablet form in America so everyone assumes something must be dangerous about it but, believe me, it is just another benzo and a good one at that.
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