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oothibo
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Any runners out there?
      #193208 - 10/12/04 03:11 PM

Hey everyone,

I was wondering if anyone on this board is a runner. I have been trying to train to run 3-5 miles daily and it was going well for the first few weeks then all of the sudden my knees are starting to hurt like I don't know what!

I can't run anymore, and it is really painful to even walk and climb stairs. I am avidly work out but I was usually using an eliptical machine or a stairclimber (both of which I know are much easier on joints).

Just wondering if anyone else has had this happen and if it resolved itself.


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lisacreature
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Re: Any runners out there? [Re: oothibo]
      #193270 - 10/12/04 07:13 PM

Hi!
I ran the Chicago Marathon last year! I don't recall if I had knee troubles or not when I trained, but I remember my training partner had problems with her knees. I can ask her what she did for it. I recall it got worse before it got better for her. Ultimately, however, she was able to do and finish the marathon. I know she used ice, and she got a knee brace. Also, proper shoes are a must. Take the shoes you are wearing now to a GOOD running store and let them see the wear patterns on the bottom. By looking at that, they can tell you what your deficiencies are.If you don't have a problem with pronation, then you should go for maximum cushion. I highly recommend Asics Gel Cumulus IV or V. We both used those-heaven sent!
Also, you may be training too fast and too hard. I know online you can find great training schedules for whatever level you are at. Try www.coolrunning.com or www.runnersworld.com
Finally, your whole body must be in shape. If ab and back muscles aren't strong (your core muscles), then your alignment will be off, and you will feel it in your KNEES.
So, ab and back exercises, too!
Sincerely, Lisa


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lisacreature
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Re: Any runners out there? [Re: lisacreature]
      #193276 - 10/12/04 07:29 PM

It's me again.
Here is an exercise you can do after your knees calm down a bit. That will tone you pelvis- essential for relieving knee strain.
Sit in a chair. Close your eyes. Now forget about running.
HOOHOO!LOL! I slay myself!:)I'm just kidding.
Sit in a chair. Back straight (not leaning back in the chair), feet hip width apart, arms down at your sides. From the sitting position, you are going to stand up slowly and then sit back down. For this to work, technique is extremely important. Before you stand, breathe in, pulling in your ab muscles. Concentrate on pulling them towards your back. Then stand up. Breathe out as you stand. Note that you will want to USE YOUR KNEES to help you get up. DON'T. Concentrate on putting that strain on your heels, and push through the heels. Once standing, breathe in. Then, sit down, and as your moving to the sit position breathe out. Again, you should feel all the work in your abs, legs, and heels.
This should help retrain your body.
Sincerely, Lisa


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Re: Any runners out there? [Re: oothibo]
      #193287 - 10/12/04 08:12 PM

If your running everyday, that could be the problem. You want to give your muscles and ligaments time to heal after working them hard, if not your doing more damage than anything to your body.

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Re: Any runners out there? [Re: InvaderCAL]
      #193386 - 10/13/04 09:01 AM

i jog at least 4 miles everyday and walk another 4-8 miles everyday depending on work & kickboxing & weight lifting schedules I am always sore and hurting. NO PAIN NO GAIN!!!!!! but I dont think I'm hurting tot he point where i am causing muscle damage or anything in my opinion


ALSO FIND THE "UBC" PROGRAM IN YOUR AREA. it is one helluva workout. I am on a paintball team and we all do it + all my buddies who enduro race & motocross do it too. it is really fun and really trims yer thighs and stomach and legs. It just really gets you in shape a hardcore workout it is! I sleep like a baby everynight afterwards.

http://www.ultimatebodyshaping.com/ubc.php?s1=s1home&page=home2

the one in my town is absolutely awesome + i have met so many hotties!!!!!!!! lol


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Edited by stevesmith (10/13/04 09:22 AM)


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Re: Any runners out there? [Re: lisacreature]
      #193389 - 10/13/04 09:23 AM

how about shin splints???? Every time I try to get back into running/walking I get the searing pain in the front of the legs and have been told it's shin splints. I stretch... a LOT and am very flexible, but can't seem to get past it. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
E

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stevesmith



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Re: Any runners out there? [Re: Eli6969]
      #193393 - 10/13/04 09:28 AM

Quote:

how about shin splints???? Every time I try to get back into running/walking I get the searing pain in the front of the legs and have been told it's shin splints. I stretch... a LOT and am very flexible, but can't seem to get past it. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
E





I dont know but I find most of my side pains and shin hurting and muscle hurting ect. is always solved by drinking more water. I drink prolly 100+ ounces of water per day. the days when i dont dirnk as much water I hurt more and can tell it has a negative impact on my workout routines. I walked 8-12 miles a day for 2 months solid b4 I ever started jogging or anything.

just my opinion and my personal experience though

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Re: Any runners out there? [Re: Eli6969]
      #193395 - 10/13/04 09:34 AM

Quote:

how about shin splints???? Every time I try to get back into running/walking I get the searing pain in the front of the legs and have been told it's shin splints. I stretch... a LOT and am very flexible, but can't seem to get past it. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
E




Hello E,

I used to run a lot, but recently have really enjoyed biking. Several in my family bought good bikes, and I enjoy taking my children with me. It is easier to promote healthy cardiovascular activity if it's more fun, in my experience. Much less pounding on the joints. My bad knee limits my activity, so I try and push myself as hard as possible with the activities I can tolerate.

Also, if you have stopped running and rested your legs, and the "shin splints" have returned, you may be dealing with another problem. My daughter, who is very involved in athletics, was diagnosed with popliteal artery entrapment syndrome. The muscles and tissues surrounding her main arteries in both legs were swelling and cutting off blood and oxygen in her lower legs, causing extreme pain in the shins. There are other culprits, such as compartment syndrome, as well. We naturally assumed she had shin splints in the beginning, but that's not what she had.

Anyway, good luck. Our bodies were definitely made to "be moving," and if they're not, we just feel rotten.

One more thing, a recumbent bike is supposed to be easier for someone with a bad back. Just a suggestion.

Sorry, but one more thing, hydration is extremely important, as someone posted. Also, proper stretching (light stretching before and longer stretching after activity) is very helpful. Without stretching, I feel as if my body is "settling." I hate that feeling. lol

Take care,

mparex

Edited by mparex (10/13/04 09:36 AM)


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lisacreature
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Re: Any runners out there? [Re: Eli6969]
      #193401 - 10/13/04 10:07 AM

Shin splints were a problem for me, too, when I first started training. The first thing I did to help with the pain, was sit in a hot bubble bath. Next, I got good shoes! The shoes in my first post is what I bought. My shin splints when away.
Also, don't over do it. Go to Google and type in "10 week walk to run program". There are a lot of good websites that will give you a schedule for going from a walk to run program. After you can run for about 30 minutes straight, you can start to train for a race- even a marathon!
Lisa


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oothibo
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Re: Any runners out there? [Re: lisacreature]
      #193467 - 10/13/04 02:17 PM

Thanks so much for all the advice. The pain has only gotten worse in my knees but when I get on the eliptical machine the pain is not so bad so I'm going to try and wait it out and hope that it gets better.

Also, I heard someone mention side pains. That is actually from breathing incorrectly and it is due to when your diaphragm spasms. You can avoid this by consistently breathing with your belly (avoid breathing with your chest). Belly breathing allows your internal organs (which are below your diaphragm) to be pushed down correctly, in the space they are given while chest breathing causes your organs to be pushed up.


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Re: Any runners out there? [Re: oothibo]
      #193471 - 10/13/04 02:26 PM

Quote:

Thanks so much for all the advice. The pain has only gotten worse in my knees but when I get on the eliptical machine the pain is not so bad so I'm going to try and wait it out and hope that it gets better.

Also, I heard someone mention side pains. That is actually from breathing incorrectly and it is due to when your diaphragm spasms. You can avoid this by consistently breathing with your belly (avoid breathing with your chest). Belly breathing allows your internal organs (which are below your diaphragm) to be pushed down correctly, in the space they are given while chest breathing causes your organs to be pushed up.





yeah I mentioned the side pains I think, yeah http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_5/227.shtml is real cool. it also talked bout my other troublesome ailment when i am dripping wet adn joggin "Runner's Nipple" lol

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