Amber18
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Hello, I'm new here. I hate to sound to stupid but can someone tell me what a charge back is ?My credit card company told me to file a written dispute and they will look into it. But what is a charge back? I was burned by 1st meds last week. Unfortunately 1 or days before I found this great site.
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potatoboy99
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Welcome to the freeboards, Amber18!
Lots of us have stories about losing money to scammers and problem-plagued OP's before coming to DB. I lost a small fortune to e-mail scammers, then I found DB, and the information I get here has saved me from making any more big mistakes.
To answer your question, I think a charge-back is exactly what you are doing, disputing the charges with your CC company. When I have had to do this, I phoned the CC company and the $ was immediately credited "pending resolution" to my CC. I had to sign a letter the CC issuing bank sent me, confirming the nature of the dispute. When the offending OP could not demonstrate that they had provided goods or services for the amount in question, the money was permanently credited to my card.
I think it's more difficult to do this with a debit card. I do not carry a debit card, as there is very little protection when you use one (or lose one).
Hope this helps.
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Sky_Queen
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Welcome Amber! Potatoboy covered all your questions, so I just would like to welcome you to the board. We have all been burned once or twice and lately it's been happening a lot. Best of luck!
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Amber18
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Hello, thanks for replying. I used a visa, but they didnt send say they were going to send me anything to sign. Just to send them a letter explaining the dispute. They also said there was a phone number by the charge, which said
21stMeds, not 1STMeds, I called this number, it definately was a residence, just got a machine though. I just want this off my card. I feel so bad for others that have used these people recently also. I wish I could stick a big banner on their website warning people.
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potatoboy99
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I guess different companies handle disputes differently.
I'm not sure if there are actually rules or laws protecting the consumer that dictate how fraudulent charges are handled, but I always sort of thought there were such laws. I always thought that the reason we pay 19 % interest on credit card debt was that it buys us some kind of protection when we have problems with merchants.
If I were you I would agressively go after the pharmacy and the credit card company both, until this is resolved. Get the names of the CS reps you talk to, write everything down, send your dispute letter with proof of delivery, etc. It should be the CC company's job to make sure the merchants they do business with are legitimate.
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Skylark
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Welcome to the boards Amber!! So sorry about what happened with that OP. 
Hugs,
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Maremac
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Welcome to the freeboards, Amber18!
To answer your question, I think a charge-back is exactly what you are doing, disputing the charges with your CC company. When I have had to do this, I phoned the CC company and the $ was immediately credited "pending resolution" to my CC. I had to sign a letter the CC issuing bank sent me, confirming the nature of the dispute. When the offending OP could not demonstrate that they had provided goods or services for the amount in question, the money was permanently credited to my card.
I think it's more difficult to do this with a debit card. I do not carry a debit card, as there is very little protection when you use one (or lose one).
Hope this helps.
Any thoughts when one of the OPs charged me for the original order and the refill and then went out of business? ex: I was charged $247. which was the cost for both persriptions. I called the issuing pharmacy and was told that they were no longer filling the refills. I attempted to explain that I had already paid for it .. got no where.

I suppose this question might be better to posted somewhere else .. but figured that I'd give it a shot! 
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potatoboy99
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What a drag, Maremac. I'm no expert (but I play one on TV), but I think there is a time limit on reporting billing problems with your CC company. Did you already call the bank to report the problem? Tell them you never got what you paid for and you want your money back. That's how it's supposed to work, anyway.
My problems were with 1medsource and Nationalpharmacygroup, both on the DB Blacklist now (I think). Evidently when they did not (or could not) contest my dispute of the charges the issuing bank just gave me a credit. That was an MBNA mastercard, by the way.
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night_shade
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Maybe I can help shed a little more light on the subject for you. I was a credit card processor for the online company I worked for until June. We often had cases of fraud (somebody using a card they were not authorized to use), cases of customers being angry and trying a chargeback (sorry, you'll never get it!), and some cases of misdirected deliveries (customer tried chargeback prior to contacting our company for replacement, etc.)...I was the primary person in charge of all credit card transactions--including chargebacks.
All chargebacks must be initiated by the customer. There is no difference between "real" credit cards and debit cards with the exception that Mastercard debit cards generally took longer for the wheels to grind (about 30 days for credit issue)... "Real" credit cards may have additional protection against fraud and bad purchases built-in to the credit contract, whereas debit Visa/MC may not (look at your agreement.) In any case, a chargeback has nothing to do with your credit protection contracts. It is relief from a debit to your account for something that was fraud, never arrived, etc.
Once the customer contacts the creditor (generally by phone, but it's always wise to do it in writing), the creditor contacts the vendor. Vendors are usually faxed a 2 page request for information about the transaction, including the name of the purchaser/cardholder, address shipped to, date, item(s), cost, shipping charges, etc. It is always the creditor who decides whether or not to refund the debit to the customer. Most vendors don't appeal the creditor's decision--it just isn't worth the time and effort and most have insurance for this situation anyway.
Vendors all have merchant account numbers with the major credit card companies (unless you used a 3rd party like Paypal) and must have correct address/contact info on file. If, for any reason, the creditor cannot contact the vendor or if the vendor fails to respond, the chargeback is issued by default.
Many times, chargebacks are misused by customers, i.e. eBay transactions that people buy and then don't want to pay for. If you have multiple chargebacks with the same credit card company like Visa/MC--doesn't matter who the issuing bank (USBank, 1stBank, etc)is-- YOU could get investigated for fraud, so don't use this option often!
Another possible consequence is that once a customer has issued a chargeback, a company can decide not to allow further transactions with that customer again. Most of the time this isn't an issue--if you are having to issue a chargeback, you probably wouldn't want to do business with that vendor again anyway.
Another not widely known fact, if your card is stolen or misused, it isn't YOU or the creditor who would press charges for fraud--it's the vendor. The vendors always lose in that situation. Credit card companies always process chargebacks (often without telling the consumer) when fraud occurs (hence they only make you responsible for the first $50) and are , therefore, never out when the fraud happens. Almost no vendor actually presses charges, unless the same person has taken them a few times. I am NOT advocating CC fraud here!
I probably added far more than my 2 cents and am hopefully not preaching to the choir. Hope it helps!
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Amber18
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The problem with 1STMeds is though, is that there is no contact for them other then email.There may be a fax number, i dont have access to a fax machine, and dont know if it would do any good anyway. Like I said the credit card(reg visa) gave me a phone number that was next to the charge,I called and it sounded like a residence. I'm really kinda worried that since they have my credit info now, even those 3 little numbers they ask for where you sign your name on the card, they may try to charge for god only knows what on there.I am totally sweating over this stupid mistake I made with that company.
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Amber18
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And many thanks to everyone that has welcomed me, and has offered help and suggestions, i'm so glad I found you guys !
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night_shade
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Amber,
Just call your credit card company and tell them you are disputing a charge to your account. You may have to do it in writing. Simply tell them you were charged by XYZCompany and never received the merchandise and that the contact info they gave you was bogus. The card should take it from there. It will then be their responsibility to contact the vendor and verify the purchase/receipt of merchandise.
Hang in there, its a PITA, but worth it for the refund.
By the way, WELCOME. My manners are slipping!
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Amber18
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will do, thanks.
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toe
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The problem with 1STMeds is though, is that there is no contact for them other then email.There may be a fax number, i dont have access to a fax machine, and dont know if it would do any good anyway. Like I said the credit card(reg visa) gave me a phone number that was next to the charge,I called and it sounded like a residence. I'm really kinda worried that since they have my credit info now, even those 3 little numbers they ask for where you sign your name on the card, they may try to charge for god only knows what on there.I am totally sweating over this stupid mistake I made with that company.
The problem IS with 1stmeds, unfortunately. I had to do a chargeback with them, myself. They should be blacklisted. I've only even had to mention the word "dispute" to one other company before receiving a refund, but 1stmeds will play you as long as they can. You will have to file a chargeback on them, so fill out that paperwork as soon as you get it from the CC company. I'm assuming you were charged for a consult you never received, like me, because they are completely un-contact-able. So on the form you get from your CC company, you'll make a claim of being charged for services not received. If anything, 1stmeds'll e-mail you and tell you a refund takes 5 days- that's bullshit. File your chargeback ASAP or you will probably never get your money back. My experience was that they refunded my money minus 1 dollar. (Probably how they stay afloat, lol), and there was a small fee from the CC for the Chargeback. But do it now, and do it. This is a dishonest company with no customer service. And obviously, if they try to charge anything else to your card after you've filed a fraud claim on them, your CC is going to understand that this is the same company that did it before.
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