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Given that they offer Schedule I Rohypnol, I don't think "legitimate" would be a term I'd use.
Umm ... learn how to look up the schedules. Flunitrazepam is still C-IV ... and it's also the most widely prescribed sleeping pill in the world.
Trampy
You got me on that one, Trampy. What exactly is Rohypnol status in US? Has it just been withdrawn from the market due to "date rape" demonization?
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cleo911
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Flunitrazepam is indeed a C-IV substance in the US. There has been much talk about up-scheduling it, but this has not happened as of yet. It's sort of a screwy situation, as it's not approved for use in US. Similar to the midazolam situation here, one of the most widly prescribed tranqs in Europe. Not approved for prescription, only the IV Versed for hospital/surgical usage. And yes, the whole 'date-rape' ordeal is largly responsible for the current state of Rohypnol.
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MrB
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I think that Rohypnol is a great drug for sleep and I too was under the impression it was a C-1 drug but am not sure where that came from.
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cleo911
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Yes, it is a great drug for sleep and anxiety. The feds have been babbling about up-scheduling it for some time now, but I think they're finding their position difficult to justify. After all, it is just another benzo. A strong one perhaps, but any creep could use a number others for so-called 'date rape' purposes. Hell, Roche even went so far as to put a dye in them so you could see if it was slipped in your drink. Dumb-Best if kept off the board drug nazis 
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bouncer000
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The DEA lists it as C-IV
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/listby_sched/sched4.htm
However each state can list it according to STATE laws and this may be higher or lower.
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Trampy
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The DEA lists it as C-IV ... However each state can list it according to STATE laws and this may be higher or lower.
Two out of three isn't that bad. States can't list drugs *lower* than the DEA schedules. It can happen temporarily when drugs are rescheduled, but the state has to conform.
The C-IV of flunitrazepam is deceiving and the result of Roche's wish to keep this drug the best-selling sleeping pill in the world. U.S. federal law allows for up to three years in prison for possession of "any amount"--so it's not your typical C-IV by any means.
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The confusion is that Rohypnol is a CIV, yet it is not FDA approved. This means all the legalities of CIV drugs apply (though because of the "date rape" phenomenon, there are laws which supercede this). However, a doctor cannot prescribe it because Roche never paid to have clinical trials done. This is most likely because they already make best-selling sedatives, and the stigma plus competition outweighs any need to go through the lengthy, expensive FDA approval process.
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Not sure about the lack of clinical trials and other FDA BS for Rohypnol -- in the early 70's I was able to obtain it by Rx from a psychiatrist friend. It worked really well as a sleep aid. Seems that if pdoc could Rx it, then Roche had spent some money getting it approved? I think it must have been pulled from market due to "date rape" demonization?? I'd be interested in seeing the law, which singles out C-IV drugs like Rohypnol for extended punishment. Seems likely, but I don't see the writing on the wall...
Keep faith, the WWW is going to end the WOD -- it has all gone beyond the capacity of the tiny minds in the Gov't to control this "problem." What happens when Vancouver and Toronto become like Amsterdam?
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Trampy
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Plotinus is correct. Rohypnol went through clinical trials in the U.S. and was found to be safe and effective. After the "date rate" hoopla, the approval was rescinded administratively by the FDA and Roche was told that they could not market it in the U.S. and Customs was told (by FDA) to ban its importation (just like they did for absinthe and methaqualone).
More recently, its possession and distribution were awarded very severe federal penalties ... they are treated more harshly under the law than is the case for the C-I drugs heroin, LSD, and MDMA. Make sense? Naahhh.
For distribution of any amount, i think the mandatory sentence is harsher than what most first offenders get for murder.
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Plotinus is correct. Rohypnol went through clinical trials in the U.S. and was found to be safe and effective. After the "date rape" hoopla, the approval was rescinded administratively by the FDA and Roche was told that they could not market it in the U.S. and Customs was told (by FDA) to ban its importation (just like they did for absinthe and methaqualone).
More recently, its possession and distribution were awarded very severe federal penalties ... they are treated more harshly under the law than is the case for the C-I drugs heroin, LSD, and MDMA. Make sense? Naahhh.
For distribution of any amount, i think the mandatory sentence is harsher than what most first offenders get for murder.
Trampy
Thanks for reaffirming my fading recollections of the 70's. Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) sentencing seems pretty confused according to Federal Sentencing Guidelines. Possessing anything over 30 mgs (about a months supply) get's almost as steep as heroin.
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