Boobetty
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I just got this email from Clay Fauks..Wow..he is still looking for people to help him?..wish him luck...this place is kinda like ERXonline is now...
Boo
My name is Clay Fuchs. I have written to you before. I am currently
under indictment for filling prescriptions based on online prescribing
from the websites friendlypharmacy.com and nationpharmacy.com. I NEED
your help to defend myself. The government is trying to convict me
because they feel that the prescriptions that you have received are
illegal prescriptions.
Do not fear the government. They will not go after you. They only
want the people providing the service. This is well documented and
well known. You can do a great service to me by telling me your
story. Why did you turn to an online pharmacy to receive
prescriptions? Please tell me all the circumstances. Also, please
give me a detailed description of your condition. In addition, please
include any information that you may want to include that may be
helpful. This may include: why you feel online pharmacies should
remain legal, why the government is wrong assuming that this is just
an avenue for drug addicts to receive drugs, and why you feel online
medications are just as safe as going to see your regular physician.
This email address was collected at the time that you placed your
online request. This address was supplied as your contact email
address. I do not know your name or any other information other than
the email address. If you wish to help please do so without fear. If
you wish to ignore my plea, you may unsubscribe below. I have
received so many positive stories and responses already. So, if you
have submitted your story already, thank you so much for your support.
It will help. I will keep you updated as the facts come in. I
intend to prove that the medications that I dispensed were in fact
legal and the system is not a haven for drug addicts. Please help me
prove this.
Thank you,
Clay Fuchs, RPh
Friendlypharmacy.com
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living with pain is not living at all.  Boo
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phillesh
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I just got the same and was about to post it. No way am I going to give out my personal information. Sorry Clay, but this is the profession you chose and if it was illegal in anyway, you should have researched it before hand. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I don't want to get involved!
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needinfo
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Posts: 259
Loc: South East USA
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1. Unsubscribe
2. Delete message
3. Delete sent message
4. Empty Deleted Items Folder
5. Clean up address book
Hmmmm, let's see, did I leave anything out? (I would not yet be so drastic as c:formatc:)
Edited to add: I did a search for Clay Fuchs and he is (was) an Oklahoma Pharmacist who owns (owned) Main Street Pharmacy.
Take care and good luck all.
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The older I get the more I NEEDINFO.
Edited by needinfo (05/09/03 11:35 AM)
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Boobetty
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I couldn't have said it better myself on the last post......also this is a very old OP...this was one of the very first op's I ever used...this is not new news and I am sure that EVERYONE knows about Nationphramcy and Friendly Pharmacy...I posted it because he is STILL in trouble...They are sure dragging there feet on this guy...hate to say this again but anyone see the simularities between ERX and Buymeds and Friendly Pharmacy and Nation...eerrry......Boo
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living with pain is not living at all. Boo
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sara43
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Question are they all the same!!
sara
Edited by sara43 (05/10/03 10:55 AM)
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sweat
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Fair weather friends huh? He did good for you. You shoud return the favor. Nothings gonna happen to you. I asked him what I can do for him, and he said he'd get back to me.
You people should stand up for these guys or else there aint gonna be anymore left to use. ps, I'm not being mean or sarcastic, it just the way things are gonna go down, its a shame.
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tracerb
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Fair weather friends huh? He did good for you. You shoud return the favor. Nothings gonna happen to you. I asked him what I can do for him, and he said he'd get back to me.
You people should stand up for these guys or else there aint gonna be anymore left to use. ps, I'm not being mean or sarcastic, it just the way things are gonna go down, its a shame.
I 2nd that. What happens when they start going after all your I/OPs and you have noone left to buy from but dealers on the streets? He helped you when you needed it, now you turn your backs on him. Tis a shame and a bit spineless.
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daddyj
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ditto here.
I posted the same thing somewhere else. In the legal world, there is a term called precedent, which means something that happened before. If no one stands up to help this guy, then it will be much easier for the DEA, FDA and any of the other 3 letter organizations to persecute OP's and doctors who prescribe medications for them.
When that happens, we will all be screwed and trying to smuggle the equivalent of Tylenol 1's into the country to try to deal with our pain issues.
Come on, guys, surely you can at least try to come up with some way to help this guy.
Did he not help you?
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Misty morning, clouds in the sky
Without warning, the wizard walks by
Casting his shadow, weaving his spell
Funny clothes, tinkling bell
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Mine
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why the government is wrong assuming that this is just an avenue for drug addicts to receive drugs
I don't think they are wrong there, but it's almost as easy for an adict to see a doc in person and get drugs. Either way, why does the gov. think it's OK to punish ALL of us for something that only a few do?  It's difficult to get our primary docs to help us with pain because they are also paranoid about drug abuse. It's crazy.
If I had gotten a script from him I would try to help. JMO
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fiachat
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I got this email too. You know, if the guy is really in trouble and shouldn't be, that really sucks and I feel bad for him. But I just cannot take any chances on problems with law enforcement. My husband would be most upset about the Feds knocking on our door, should such a thing happen. The man should have known what the risks were in getting into this business. Maybe he didn't follow the rules. I don't know, but I didn't answer it either. You never know who it could be.
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mymy
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Loc: texas
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I have never used an op that did not require medical records. They are way to expensive for me. and everyone that knows me,know i experience alot of pain. I would also be willing to say,all the people who care aout me are glad that i do not have to suffer so much and would be willing to stand up for me if the need arises.I am so blessed in life.
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bostonjoe
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I understand what you guys are saying defending this guy but I don't know if your remember how much he charged at nations. As best I can recall it was about $250 for 90 and no refills. We're not talking about a guy in this business to help people. We're talking about a pill mill operation that gouged those in need for one thing...profit! He made millions off us and was content to continue until the feds caught up with him. Don't forget why they busted him. A guy bought pills using a neighbors name. The neighbor found out and it went from there. Now you could say it's not clay's fault that this guy did this but the system he had in place was intended to get as many pills out to as many people as possible without any hassle. His system is what the guy used. OP's today are much better in all areas, prices, verifying conditions and faster turnaround. If someone like a Kathy from YOD ran into trouble I would have no problem helping her. But, this is different. As far as I'm concerned this guy took advantage of people in pain or addicted to the medication used to treat pain.
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cski
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Exactly. If they did not dispense a disproportionate amount of controlled subs they would not have gotten in trouble, and got REAL RICH in the process. Now, He has to give his riches from folks in real need like me to some lawyer to keep himself out of jail. Poetic justice in my mind.
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tracerb
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I understand what you guys are saying defending this guy but I don't know if your remember how much he charged at nations. As best I can recall it was about $250 for 90 and no refills. We're not talking about a guy in this business to help people. We're talking about a pill mill operation that gouged those in need for one thing...profit! He made millions off us and was content to continue until the feds caught up with him. Don't forget why they busted him. A guy bought pills using a neighbors name. The neighbor found out and it went from there. Now you could say it's not clay's fault that this guy did this but the system he had in place was intended to get as many pills out to as many people as possible without any hassle. His system is what the guy used. OP's today are much better in all areas, prices, verifying conditions and faster turnaround. If someone like a Kathy from YOD ran into trouble I would have no problem helping her. But, this is different. As far as I'm concerned this guy took advantage of people in pain or addicted to the medication used to treat pain.
The price isn't the issue here...the precedent it sets IS. This could spell disaster for ALL of your US based OPs. Just some food for thought. Irregardless of who was charged what, it did two things. Prevented you from procuring these drugs from the street and thereby insuring you received quality meds in which you were reasonably assured what you were getting. Anybody who ordered from him knew upfront what he charged and noone forced you to do it. I don't see the problem here. Yea, it sucks he was in it for just the money but if you actually persist for one minute thinking any I/OP isn't in it for the money than you seriously need to question your intelligence.
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tracerb
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LOL yes poetic indeed. That statement could very well come to bite you back in the behind when all your OPs are put out of business.
A win in this case would give the DEA all it needs to shut down every OP in the US as soon as it formed. I do hope you realize that.
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bostonjoe
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tracerb, I think my intelligence is just fine but thanks for wondering. Like in any business OP's are no different they can operate at a profitable margin, stay within the laws and provide a service to their customers. I think some of today's Op's prove that. To say that it's a matter of choice is true as to wether you use the service or not but we're not talking about cars here. We're talking about people in severe pain or severely addicted to pain medication. I think that's different from most other products we buy. I can live with a less expensive car but living in severe pain is altogether different. There are alot of people on this board that use a significant ammount of their income for medication to live a normal life so cost is at issue. I believe that OP's that operate within our legal system will survive. We've already seen it. Those that don't, the pill mills do not. My personal thought is that this guy ran outside the law made a windfall of money but now is having to pay the piper. I have no problem with that. If you truly believe that it's fair game, charge as much as you want and people are going to pay it because they're in pain so the heck with them. I don't question you're intelligence as much as your compassion and ability to live in a society of civilized humans.
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tracerb
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I wasn't questioning your intelligence. The question was rhetorical if you examine it a bit more closely. And if you think for one minute that the so called legit sources are operating within the bounds of the law, your not fully versed on the muddied waters they operate in. They operate now soley because the law isn't clear. It's codified and open to interpretation by any Court. There is your precedent. A Court ruling and Voila statutory law is either explained, changed, struck down, or modified in some way. And the DEA would make full use of it I'm quite sure indeed. This doesn't even contemplate the civil suits that would pile up...that in and of itself could destroy the market. People are not going to engage in a business where the potential for large civil penalties outweigh the gains.
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Ocean
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this guy ran outside the law made a windfall of money but now is having to pay the piper. I have no problem with that. If you truly believe that it's fair game, charge as much as you want and people are going to pay it because they're in pain so the heck with them. I don't question you're intelligence as much as your compassion and ability to live in a society of civilized humans.
This is America... We have choices... If I chose to give this guy my business, paid the asking price, received the product and even re-ordered, as most did, do I really have the right to claim I was "ripped-off" after the fact??? Using excuses such as severe pain suffering or severe pill addiction as a defense? I have much compassion and heart-felt empathy for both groups, but the bottom line is, WE ALL HAVE CHOICES!!! If I chose to use this man's services, and he got in trouble at some point, I would feel very bad... Guilty is the word... Partly responsible, maybe? I wouldn't make excuses like it was a pill mill and he was making a killing because I'm pretty sure that guy got up early in the morning to go to dreaded work like the rest of us. To fill you prescription. And I'm pretty sure the day your package arrived, he was your "best friend"... I'm sorry to go on a rant, and this certainly isn't directed at anyone in particular, it just makes me mad... And sad... If I was his customer, I would do anything I could to help him... Because I helped get him there....
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IMSUSCOT1
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to say that it't a matter of choice is true as to wether you use the service or not but we're not talking about cars here. We're talking about people in severe pain or severely addicted to pain medication. I think that's different from most other products we buy. I can live with a less expensive car but living in severe pain is altogether different. There are alot of people on this board that use a significant ammount of their income for medication to live a normal life so cost is at issue. I believe that OP's that operate within our legal system will survive. We've already seen it. Those that don't, the pill mills do not. My personal thought is that this guy ran outside the law made a windfall of money but now is having to pay the piper. I have no problem with that. If you truly believe that it's fair game, charge as much as you want and people are going to pay it because they're in pain so the heck with them.
got to agree with ocean and tracerb...(look out ya'll, last time I was here I got, uh, DELETED )...since someone else here said this guy got started some five years ago(?).. and I don't know, maybe it was, but even if it was only 2 or 3 years ago; the prices he charged were surely based in part to correlate with the investment capital required to start a business that could service the appearently large number of customers, (at least a few posting here) and the inherent risk associated with servicing you(the collective, non-descript, non-personal you, not you who I just quoted...and this quote is from so far back, I don't even remember who originally said it, so I really, truly don't mean the quoter). And, to somehow imply it's HIS fault you're addicted or in severe pain(and again it's the collective "you" not you whoever I'm quoting), and therefore a victim of his unbridled greed, is perhaps the rationalization of the century! If he were the only one who could help you, or the only one who would help you, and you took advantage of that, and now say he deserves to be persecuted, well, that's a shame...For those who agreed to his terms, made use of his service and are now essentially saying "you lose sucker!"....think about him next time you're sitting in the ER all night, waiting for some 2nd year resident, whose being 'taught' by a 60 year old hack to 'counsel' you regarding your drug seeking behaviour and then send you home with a script for 800mg Ibuprophen
And to clarify, since my "quote" function is all funky....paragraph 1 is the quote,
Paragraph 2 is me, IMSUSCOT
Edited by IMSUSCOT1 (05/22/03 10:37 PM)
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codyjohn
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well , load your bows cause the truth is when $139.00 or more out of the $149.00 charge was gross profit. No brotherly love i'm afraid but lil ole ms jones with $587.59 total monthly income had the choice of eating, staying warm and be in pain all the while or spend the hundred and a half for six dollars worth of medicine and have some relief for a while. No goodwill and chairity i'm afraid tho i am in his corner all the way but i see it for what it is. You can't take my money and call me slick. All the figures are available to anyone who wants to look. And my offer of support , in kind, is for me and all of us but mostly me. When you put your foot on a man's neck , expect there to be a "payday". All our best to all of you and if given the chance we will pull the lever for our ..friend.
Aside, the other night i was doing some math and determined that one could lose one out of two orders from a certain pharm and still be as cheap as the next nearest one. In some cases one could lose 2 or 3 out of 4 or 5 and still be ahead of the game. Thanks to every contributer here and also to the silent supporters. thank you all.
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banditos
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I don't wish to get in the middle of a disagreement, as I had no personal involvement with this OP, but after reading the thread my opinions are as follows:
I appreciate those who take personal and professional risk in order to serve those in need, regardless of whether or not there is a profit motivation in addition to the philanthropic motivation, if there is one. The prices he charged sound commensurate with the service he provided and the risk he took. There are programs for the aforementioned seniors in need; I know there are plenty of those who are underserved by or unaware of those programs, but I don't think that example is archetypal of the doctor's/OP's usual patients. In any event, I agree that most have a choice to either pay the asking price or go a cheaper route for services. If there is an overpriced market, you don't blame those who charge the prices, you blame the root conditions that allow the demand and market price to rise so high, in this case (to name a few) a medically underserved populace, bad prescription laws, overreaching government, and collusion between gov't and industry in regards to pharmaceutical prices and policies towards OPs in general.
I agree that people who benefitted from this doctor's services should step up to the plate and contribute in whatever way they can, for without those who are willing to take action and sacrifice what they are able, whether it be a few minutes writing an anonymous email from a different email address and calling it a day or stepping up to the witness stand in defense. Regardless of what the doc's motivation was, whether pure profit or not, he deserves a helping hand from those who he did help. I'm sure anyone who used deception to get meds and wasn't a legitimate patient would not be amongst the first to volunteer, but it sounds like the doc needs some chronic pain people to step up and tell their story to back him up.
All of the above applies if this is indeed a legit email from an OP doc who is really in legal trouble for agreeing to be part of an OP. Of course one should exercise caution and discretion in responding if unsure who sent it or why. You never know...
Banditos
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