I understand what you guys are saying defending this guy but I don't know if your remember how much he charged at nations. As best I can recall it was about $250 for 90 and no refills. We're not talking about a guy in this business to help people. We're talking about a pill mill operation that gouged those in need for one thing...profit! He made millions off us and was content to continue until the feds caught up with him. Don't forget why they busted him. A guy bought pills using a neighbors name. The neighbor found out and it went from there. Now you could say it's not clay's fault that this guy did this but the system he had in place was intended to get as many pills out to as many people as possible without any hassle. His system is what the guy used. OP's today are much better in all areas, prices, verifying conditions and faster turnaround. If someone like a Kathy from YOD ran into trouble I would have no problem helping her. But, this is different. As far as I'm concerned this guy took advantage of people in pain or addicted to the medication used to treat pain.