ACB
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I have recently been tested for drugs as part of pre-employment. I had already listed Xanax and Klonopin as drugs I've been prescribed (which I have). I have recently tried valium because I did not like the effects of the other meds. I bought these through an IOP and lo and behold the test came out positive--for Valium. I knew that benzos would show up but I didnt realize the significance between them. Now they want proof that I have been prescribed diazapem. I really do not know what my options are - I was honest about using benzos and anti-depressants. But gee, they pin pointed it out. Anyone out there have any experience with this or advice? Thanks!
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meddog
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Get an online script frm a consulting service perhaps?
But then the date will reflect that.
Goodluck
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Hector123
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Did you keep the bottle with the label? How long afer your last valium did the test come up positive?
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kandi
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The same thing happened to me, although at the time, I had absolutely NO explanation for the Valium, since I hadn't ingested any...then, I remembered that I had had a surgical procedure on my back about a week and a half before, during which I underwent 'conscious IV sedation'. I am sure that was where the Valium came from, but I was still forced into a drug program, even while I was still under the care of a pain management physician. Valium can show up in the urine for up to 6 weeks following a single use. Needless to say, I wasn't going to let my job dictate what my physician could prescribe for me for a legitimate medical problem, so I left. I wish I could offer you some words of wisdom here, but it sounds like you might have to look for another job, and get a script for Valium from somewhere...
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dman22
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Great... I was told several times benzos weren't singled out by class. Looks like I might not be posting in here for awhile.
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lmay769
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I am dumbfounded. I had no ideaa that they could tell the exact drug unless it was thru very extenstive testing. I am still not sure that a regular 5- 10 panel test would be able to differienticiate the meds.
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lmay769
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I believe the same would apply to opiates? Unless it is a synthetic versus a morphine like based opiate? Let's hear from the people that have info inre. to this.
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potatoboy99
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I am still not sure that a regular 5- 10 panel test would be able to differienticiate
For those of us who don't know a 10 panel test from a rocker panel, does a 5 panel test check for 5 meds and a 10 panel test checks for 10 meds? Or does the number of panels signify something more obscure?
I haven't been drug screened in at least 4 years, and nobody said anything about panels, but maybe I wasn't listening!
Thanks.
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dman22
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You're right on there.. the 5=5 (types for )drugs and the 10=10.
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dsmmcm
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Quote:
I have recently been tested for drugs as part of pre-employment. I had already listed Xanax and Klonopin as drugs I've been prescribed (which I have). I have recently tried valium because I did not like the effects of the other meds. I bought these through an IOP and lo and behold the test came out positive--for Valium.
My bet is that the employer was just calling any positive benzo test positive for valium. A 5 or 10 panel test cannot pick out specific benzos, but will register positive for the whole family... more than 10 of them.
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dman22
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I hope you're right. I'm wondering if they all think benzos=Valium only. I'll know for sure after the 5th - whether or not the 10 panel GC/MS can or cannot.
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dman22
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Guess they don't know or are too busy to research. Xanax script sufficed - no questions asked and was not confonted about Valium.. trust me.. they would've too.
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meddog
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One needs always to follow-up positive *screening* with *confirmatory* testing by gas chromatography-mass spectroscopy, or GCMS, which gives a molecular fingerprint for the substance present.
With the GCMS test they will be able to tell what benzos are in your system for sure. So even if you protest and make them retest, you are still screwed. Even though they are wrong to give you a negative without a CGMS test because all the urine benzo tests just show a positive for benzo, not which one. They are lying or stupid, simple as that. Your best bet is to call their bluff and see if they will do a CGMS if they say yes then you will test positive unless its after the 3-12 days since your last use. If they wont do the CGMS then you have a right to sue them and demand your job.
Drug Urinary Metabolite Detection Time with the CGMS
Alprazolam (Xanax) hydroxyalprazolam 1-3 days
Bromazepam (Lectopam) hydroxybromazepam 1-3 days
Nordiazepam (Clorazepate,Tranxene) oxazepam 3-12 days
Chlordiazepoxide (Librium) oxazepam 3-12 days
Clonazepam (Klonopin, Clonopin) aminoclonazepam 3-8 days
Diazepam (Valium) oxazepam 3-12 days
Estazolam (Prosom) hydroxyestazolam 2-5 days
Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol, Roofies) aminoflunitrazepam 1-2
Flurazepam (Dalmane) hydroxyethylfluazepam 2-4 days
Lorazepam (Ativan) lorazepam 3-7 days
Medazepam (Nobrium) oxazepam 3-8 days
Midazolam (Versed) hydroxymidazolam 1-3 days
Nitrazepam (Mogadon) aminonitrazepam 3-7 days
Oxazepam (Serax) oxazepam 1-3 days
Prazepam (Centrax) oxazepam 3-12 days
Quazepam (Doral) noroxoquazepam 2-4 days
Temazepam (Restoril) oxazepam 1-3 days
Triazolam (Halcion) hydroxytriazolam 1-3 days
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dsmmcm
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Correct. GC/MS will nail the exact benzo, but the standard 10 panel test only determines the family of benzos.
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The urine drug tests I had at my local pain clinic detected the exact drug plus the amount that was in my urine PLUS creatinine level and they adjusted the hydration content accordingly to see if I was abusing meds or using them as prescribed....BE CAREFUL OUT THERE...EYES EVERYWHERE!
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t_oshan2003
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so with valium, if you stop for 12 days will it not show up on the test ? What if you have been taking it for over a year ? I remember hearing that it gets stored in you're fatty tissues, is that a factor ?
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meddog
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Talking Benzos here not opiates.
IF you have a urine test, just buy a synthetic urine kit and your all set. They even have ones with a fake penis if the are watching you go. Works 100% of the time as long as you make sure the temp is right. Nothing beats a GCMS.
I wouldnt count on the figures for the amount of time it takes to clear out of your system. Everyone is diferent, every test is different and they can test for different levels of content.
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qbird
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I am looking at a dt paper and it says the 5 panel consists of: THC, Cocaine, PCP, Opiates, and Amphetimines. I don't believe benzos would come up unless they used the 10 panel? My husband is tested randomly through his job here and there and just was tested. Yes the 10 panel would screen for benzos and other meds. It is more extensive.
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Lisa1967
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I was fired from a job over 14 yrs ago over ONE valium I'd taken over a week b4 I was tested. I took it so I could get some sleep because my gall bladder was KILLING me. I wound up in the hospital the next day. I spent a week in the hosp.,and when I came out,I was drug tested. They seemed to know exactly what I'd taken-they said I had "generic valium" in my system.
I thought that one of 2 things may have happened,because I never took valium on a reg. basis. Either my crazy vindictive room mate ratted me out(quite possible,she really was insane) or the hospital had given me valium while I was there(I remember having trouble sleeping,and they DID give me something)
Had I known valium stayed in one's system for so long,I never would have taken it.
NOW-about the opiates test-I recently submitted to a drug screen for my new pain mgmnt dr,and he was able to differentiate the hydro from the morphine I was taking.I found that to be really odd,and totally "Big Brotherish" It's really spooky how your p*ss isnt even safe anymore 
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qbird
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I would think you could fight the first failed drugtest since you just came out of the hospital. You should have just told the mro that you were in the hospital and valium was given as a sedative. The last time I was in the hospital, they gave me a benzo right before surgury. That is quite common. If the mro wanted to look further into it, the hospital records should state what meds were given to you.
Yes I agree the drug testing is very big brotherish and thank goodness I don't have to take them. My hubby injured his back once and failed the whiz quiz because of pain meds he was taken. Almost lost his job over the whole ordeal. What was even stupider was that he had to go into a drug program over pain meds for a hurt back to keep his job. He took some of mine since he doesn't like doctors so he could not justify it with the mro that called. The mro also stated exactly what med he took which I found wild. It was really crazy. He really has to watch what he takes now since new policy states that he will be fired on the spot anymore.
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kandi
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Talking Benzos here not opiates.
IF you have a urine test, just buy a synthetic urine kit and your all set. They even have ones with a fake penis if the are watching you go. Works 100% of the time as long as you make sure the temp is right. Nothing beats a GCMS.
I wouldnt count on the figures for the amount of time it takes to clear out of your system. Everyone is diferent, every test is different and they can test for different levels of content.
I have mentioned this on here before, and everybody thought I was lying, but I have used synthetic urine for three pre-employment screens, and passed every time! One caveat: they are illegal in some states,so I guess that kind of proves that they actually DO work! Anybody that wants to know where to get this can PM me..I would be happy to give you the name of the product I used.
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