stevesmith
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That is an excellent idea, SteveSmith. I forgot about the inserts with your name on them.
yeah i was surprised to see this thread bout that b/c I just had gotten back from driving thru town (it's college town and homecoming weekends so POLICE out in force) so i was paranoid bout getting pulled over, I had my insert clipped on my visor in truck just incase! Bottles are just too bulky and besides i dont need to carry my entire supply round everwyehre ya know haha I hope everyone will start carrying their inserts with them if they dont already
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ML63
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When I served on a NYS Grand Jury a while back, we reviewed 51 cases in our month of duty. Most cases were drug and DWI/DUI related. Often times the defendant was charged with possession, but not DUI even if they were smoking pot when they were pulled over and arrested. The DA's explained that unlike alcohol there's no set standard on drug intoxication, and that in the field especially, drugs can't accurately be measured in the blood stream with respect to level and possible effects like alcohol can. Alcohol is well established but there's just way too many drugs and they all have their different cause and effect. Just saying that somone had been smoking whatever wasn't enough for them. So they basically never charged DUI in drug cases because they said it just "complicated" the matter. Oh, but when they could they WOULD toss in a few traffic charges such as speeding or failure to signal a left turn! Go figure. Now in situations in which the drug in question isn't illegal but you've admitted to driving after taking a few of whatever I'd have to believe it's a whole different ballgame.
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ML63
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When I travel I "split" the difference. That is, I do keep my meds in a proper container, just not the original one. Having read here that some folks have had problems with their OP scripts, I use a bottle from my pre-OP days to toss my pills into when I fly. Yes, the bottle is a bit outdated at this point but it has my home address, and most importantly, my local doctor on the label. There's just no way I'm going to have security find me with a bottle of hyrdo listing a Florida doc and pharmacy. And because I use the UPS hub as my shipping address, that's the address that keeps ending up on my OP bottle which of course doesn't match my drivers license. So far the date on the bottle hasn't been an issue, but I figure it will be easier to explain that away (I'm prepared with a couple of explanations) than to explain why my doctor and pharmacy are around two thousand miles away!
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kimbell1
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I keep my old hydro and clonopin and other med bottles. I don't want to risk losing my monthly supply so what I do is divide a month's supply into individual containers that DID contain earlier perscriptions of same med.
That way, if i lose the bottle or it is stolen or I lose it or whatever, I still have my main stock. This works best for me.
i have even WASHED clothes that I forgot to remove the bottle and found that the container is WATERPROOF to a degree. Nothing happened to the meds but I would not take them scuba diving. lol.
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kimbell1
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I also agree with the poster that said blood tests are a joke with prescripton drugs. They could be in your system for a long period of time.
I think that DUI was created as a 'catch all' type of law and aimed as far as the drug part at plainly illegal drugs or people that don't have a valid perscription.
Maybe I am wrong, but I think it would be hard to prosecute if a cop searched you and found a bottle of hydro and suspected you might be 'loaded'.
You can be arrested for just about anything but the prosecutor has to make a case or they have to let you go.
One thing I have not seen in this thread is using the treat of harrasment against LE. I have filed a few complaints aganist police with their interal affairs department when the cop is an Best if kept off the board. Probably does no good but if you have any grounds for filing a complaint and the cop or cops are out of line, you should file with IA. While one complaint will not do anyhting unless it is a major screwup like with the Rodney King case. If a cop gets enough complaints from different people, the department will see a pattern that this cop needs to be looked at and possibly fired. I know that cops' actions are a major reason the major city I live near is sued all the time.
I respect GOOD cops that are not out to bully people and try and protect people. But I sometimes think they are in the minority.
Edited by kimbell1 (10/09/04 03:09 PM)
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kimbell1
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There are no standards like with liquor.
I would just keep a small amount of pills with me in a properly labled bottle.
I would judge the cop's reaction if he did find a pain med bottle on you. Sometimes you can just be honest and say that you carry them because my life depends on this medication or for an emergency.
Othertimes, if the cop was a jerk by his general attitude, I would lawyer up.
I don't think a field test would do much good to convict because meds stay in your blood for a while.
Best thing is to drive with more awareness and be more viligent in obeying traffic laws when carrying the type of medications that could cause you problems.
And if you did go to court, probably enough people either has been or known someone in a similar situation or has enough sense to understand the stiuation and not convict like with drunk driving. Most people view medications that are prescribed to you as a necessity and can relate. But a jury is going to be less sympathetic to someone well over the legal limit because of liquor.
But I figure that some company will one day find a fool-proof system to detect those that are 'over thelimit' on perscription or even OTC meds. Technology is great.
This thread produced some really great ideas. Thanks for all the replies. The floor is yours now. I'm signing off.
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t_oshan2003
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Reged: 10/17/03
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Loc: East
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I have travled to the caribean and central america a bunch and always just use my OP bottles, since they are labeled correctly. I don't worry about the fact that they say from Miami since my name, docs name and dea # is on them. never had a problem and it is legal since all the info is on the bottle and it is legit. I do agree it may apear funny to have these OP scripts for V's or Xanax's but if it labeled right I never worry. JMHO
I just don't mix all my meds like I used to in one bottle, I do want to have them in the proper bottles with all the info incase of any questions...
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Yeppers
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Well..I know I will get many arguments here, but the general opinion is that if your BAC is over the state limit you are therefor drunk and deserve a dui.
On the other hand, everyone agrees that you build a tolerance to meds, so taking an amount that may pass one person out, will barely affect a long time user.
I don't see the difference?
Long term alcohol usage is teh same. A moderate drinker can easily register .08 or .10 and not really be impaired.
While an alcohol naive person can register .05 and be stumbling around drunk.
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Yeppers
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Hi Yeppers. May I ask what you were stopped for in the first place? And is it always a FELONY to have a personal quantity of a controlled prescription with you that is not in the original bottle? I have been carrying small amounts of meds with me for years in my aspirin bottle just to save space in my purse, but I am becoming a little nervous about doing this now. Also, if you can, can you elaborate on how prescriptions from OPs are viewed by the system, providing you do have the bottle with your name on it?
Thanks for sharing your story. This is something I am becoming increasingly concerned about.
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There was another thread on my troubles, in which I got pretty much slammed.
I was stopped for suspicion of DUI back in may.
At this point I have not gone to trial and don't know for sure what the outcome will be.
I was carged with DUI and Possession. From the research I have done and my lawyer, it is not likely that my presciption will fly. I think it is just the whole online thing. You have to remember that many people simply do not accept OP's as legitimate health care. But look at us as junkies.
Until a year ago I had no idea they existed. Back then I don't know how I would have ruled on a jury for possession of buying meds on the net.
On top of that, OP's are very contoversial, and are being shut down left and right.
Oh, and it doesn't help that my script was from one of the pharmacies that was shut down.
So it doesn't look good for me, whch will make Trampy very happy.
My sggestion woul be to get a script from your local doc and carry the OP pills in it.
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stemstabber
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My whole ordeal with my local Law Enforcement started with a traffic stop (for get this, I am not kidding) a not very bright License Plate Light. I actually got pulled over for that and the cop got all wierd and said I was jerking around in the car. (I was lighting a cigarrete) well, anyway he got me out of the car and searched me and found Methadone I have been prescribed by a Pain Management Doctor In Seattle for over 3 years. They didnt care that I had a script. They didnt care that I had over 300 more of them that they could see if they took me home. They didnt care about anything, They thought they had found a heroin junkie on Methadone. When the lady cop showed up with "Zippy the wonder mutt" and that dog slobered all over my clean car (Boy was I pissed)and found NOTHING. They kept asking over and over "Where you buying the Meth" "Who is the seller of the Meth" they kept calling it "Meth". Anyway, long story made short, I won in court and the redneck cops that did all of this dont work for the Local Law Enforcement anymore. Dont know if my case is what made them leave, get fired, or whatever. All I know is the Nations Law Enforcement is not educated. They think that if someone has narcotics not in the right container right away they are a druggie. Im sick of it. The gosh darn Police Station was a Mobile Home for gods sake. LOL I hope this is a start to the end of this Best if kept off the board happening to other Pain Sufferrers. I bet one of those Cops could not stand one day hurting like we do. They are all people that got put in lockers in high school and they are trying to get back at society. Just a thought.................
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dws1
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Well I probably should not say this but my father is a Lt. Col with the police and a Col. in the military not going to name which branch. Anyhow he has been on my case about being on oxy for back surgery, I am 28 have been in 2 severe car accidents and have marfan's which means I'll have to have heart surgery soon. Point being is that now he is in pain beause of his knees, well the poor baby went straight to the local doc and got hydro he even takes my mothers and she just had her second back surgery. I also know a cop on oxycontin for neck surgery in fsct I know of alot of military and police that drink and or are on meds so who are they to judge when they stop us and find a legitamate prescription bottle? They are human too and there is going to be a time when they are an meds. Well my father the enforcer finally shut up about my meds b/c he realizes that sometimes the pain is just to bad to function and you need meds to even do daily tasks. Of course his main complaint was b/c of how much oxy costs, I told him well look at what you approve for military projects, the bradley tank costs more money than most people will see in their lives!
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Yeppers
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Well I probably should not say this but my father is a Lt. Col with the police and a Col. in the military not going to name which branch. Anyhow he has been on my case about being on oxy for back surgery, I am 28 have been in 2 severe car accidents and have marfan's which means I'll have to have heart surgery soon. Point being is that now he is in pain beause of his knees, well the poor baby went straight to the local doc and got hydro he even takes my mothers and she just had her second back surgery. I also know a cop on oxycontin for neck surgery in fsct I know of alot of military and police that drink and or are on meds so who are they to judge when they stop us and find a legitamate prescription bottle? They are human too and there is going to be a time when they are an meds. Well my father the enforcer finally shut up about my meds b/c he realizes that sometimes the pain is just to bad to function and you need meds to even do daily tasks. Of course his main complaint was b/c of how much oxy costs, I told him well look at what you approve for military projects, the bradley tank costs more money than most people will see in their lives!
Well 'my' cop was very 'mightier than thou'.
After he chatted me up and built his case against me, he went from very friendly to an a&&hole. He and another officer at the station said they had been prescribed hydro for broken bones, but 'they never took it'.
Funny thing was...at the prelim he was very polite and very nice. Dunno..maybe (very, very small maybe), my being clean and goint through treatment since the stop will help in court. It would take a VERY understanding DA and Judge though.
For the record. I was in hydro withdrawal at the time of the stop. It was a Friday, I had a suboxone appt. on Monday and was rationing until then. My last hydro was about 10:30 am and I was stopped at 11 PM. In fact I would not have been drinking had I not thought it might help get me through withdrawal for the night.
LOL...I have very bad luck or am a very bad person. One of the two.
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