J_Drei
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Loc: Wash DC area
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Sorry for the delay in geting back to you. But here is the link to the assesment quiz to immigrate to Canada as a skilled worker.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/assess/index.html
Here's the general Visa and Immigration page which is very helpful.
http://www.canadianembassy.org/immigration/index-en.asp
I'm not really sure how hard the whole process of moving there would be. I saw something recently that said it was hard, but I'm guessing as a US citizen it would be hard for most any of us to move to another country. We're just not wanted. No, that's not why, I'm not sure why, international politics I imagine. From everything I looked at, Canada was much easier than moving to Holland. And the advantage of Canada is that I would be alittle closer to my family in the states.
I also asked some lawyers that I'm friends with who were somewhat familiar with immigration and asylum laws how hard would it be for a US citizen to immigrate to another country seeking political asylum. They said it would be next to impossible. Living in a country that doesn't have the same political beliefs as you does't qualify as the kind of persecution that is generally the requirement for such a status. Oh well for that. I thought that was a great idea. And I was sure some countries would love to jump on the opportunity even if it was just a media stunt sort of thing to show the world that US citizens are fleeing the US because of Bush, his administration, and all the Best if kept off the board that they've done in the world (and at home) since there rise to power.
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bango
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Loc: midwest
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Quote:
"the politically correct term is"...HA! That doesn't "cut it" in the Real World..The REAL WORLD..Real Life,LEGAL term IS:ILLEGAL ALIEN..P-E-R-I-O-D..ILLEGAL ALIEN..I-L-L-E-G-A-L...
A Federal Felon by way of ILLEGAL ENTRY into The U.S.A....MY Country....
Now...back to the topic of this thread...please..
Limper..A Legal AMERICAN ..and GLAD & PROUD of it!!!
no need to mention that youa re a "proud american" for only an american would post things like you just did,and let me guess your background here, youre a white american repulican who thinks BUsh is the best thing since sliced bread and who is happy to see iraq "liberated" and wonders why old europe is so old and why some people hate your freedom so much. you probbaly think that iraq really had or even still has WMD's..good luck in life buddy, but it might me good to get some education..
I guess I should offer a disclaimer for I have nothing against Americans (no generalizations) but I am sick of igonrant people like this poster above, encapsulated in thier little eggshell word of the "great america"..people like that are actually bad for america, if you know and support what the generral ideals and principles of the founding fathers were..
Edited by bango (09/25/04 12:09 PM)
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johng
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Loc: great lakes
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when I went to school oh an odd 20 years ago america was named the great melting pot. where everone's cultre was merged and we rejoiced in the differance but the underlieing theam was we were all AMERICANS. the line has been drawn by the liberals with statments like XYZ-americans thus pointing to being differant. when i call the state for something I get press one for english press two for hmong press three for spanish. when we go to other countries we are expected to speak the local language. when people want to be differant well let them if they don want to be american american then they put themselves at a disadvantage. I dont get specal prefeances for being american american so why should some one who chosses not to learn the language and asimilate to american coustoms why should I make special alowances for them when no one will do it for me a proud tax paying american.
if I went to lets say france without a passport what would happen to me i would be on the next plane back to the USA. so just because we are america should we over look our rules that WE ALL HAVE TO FOLLOW for a few. that smells. equal rights mean equal judgement of the laws. if the person is an illegal alien well the law is the same for ANYONE we should not overlook the law for someone who is breaking it. if you dont like the law push for it to be changed instead of generalizations of republicans. too many liberals feel the law is OK as long as it does not interfer with there point of view. then it is the republicans fault if it does. both politcal parties sponser these laws so no one party is the bad guy.
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heli
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Reged: 04/19/03
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Loc: Rocky Mountains
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I'm not getting the thread about the people arrested in Mexico, what happened?
Hi, bango, no need trying to argue your point w/this guy. Just read his posts and you'll see my point.
I think that it's ashame that the only language we are forced to learn in America is English. In Europe, people speak all kinds of languages and in my opinion, that makes them more intelligent and willing to recognize that if you want to communicate you better be able to speak more than one language, otherwise you're just limiting yourself. You're not getting any kind of message across if you can only speak English. You're only speaking to English speaking people. Self limitations. Yes, it's recommended that if someone from another country is going to move here that they should speak English, it's common sense, but I would say that if they didn't learn it before coming here that eventually they will learn it.
In Europe they call Americans a-M-O-R-E-i-c-a-n-s. It seems we are never satisfied, give us biggie fries, biggie cokes, and get the bleep out of our way because we are going to liberate you whether you like it or not, especially if you have something we want!
I wish I spoke another language, but I can only speak English. It's like eating the same thing for dinner every night! 
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jskream
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Reged: 10/07/03
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Freedom is like sex in a way--if you have to crow and proclaim loudly to others and to the whole world how great it is and how much you have...you probably don't have very much and it's probably not all that great either 
Not much to be proud of these days in America...schools? Joke. That's why you get these ditto-heads parroting catchphrases that have been pounded into their skull through relentless, battering repetition. If it is repeated often enough, it becomes true to them, because they have only mastered rote memorization, not critical and conceptual thinking. 2 and 2 can somehow always make up 5 to them. Like monkeys, they learn to spot certain catchphrases in sentences and as soon as one triggers the alarm that's been installed in their head, they alert: 'Liberal!!! PC!!!' as if being a progressive thinker or putting things politely (and requesting that others do) instead of offensively blurting some stereotypical blather is somehow a crime. Ironically, some of the people that are the most rabid 'liberal'-bashers are actually acting against their own best interests much of the time, considering their social class (of which they are trained to be unaware), economic status (in which they have blind faith that what's good for the hyperrich people and big companies will increase theirs and be passed on to the average dolt without being forced) and social standing (i.e., the pickup-drivin, tobacco-chewin, cap-wearin, top-two-buttons-of-flannel-shirt-unbuttoned-so-you-can-see-tufts-of-chest-hair-wearin' people who will never be accepted into the upper or even middle echelons of society even if they miraculously beat the incredible odds against upward mobility). They have much more in common with the Mexican immigrant or the inner-city black than with the WASP CEO, they just don't realize it and probably won't until it's too late.
In addition, the neoconservative drum-bangers which dominate right-wing policy in government these days have nothing to do with the ideals of traditional conservatism--i.e. fiscal responsibility, an anti-interventionist, lead-by-example rather than shove so-called freedom (the honor of becoming a colony--freedom=slavery) down everyone's throat foreign policy, and 'small government' (read: would not regulate meds to the extent that the rules go beyond protecting the citizenry to the point where they are blatant tools to enrich the pharm. companies).
Hate (racism, sexism, homophobia, anything that depersonalizes) is not macho--in fact, it's rather weak and effete...a sign of desperation and lack of a strong character.
How does this have to do with the thread? Well...other than answering the posts of the not-well-spoken but nonetheless vocal minority that has to resort to ad-hominem attacks (name-calling and labeling) rather than articulate reasoning, perhaps it's no coincidence that the way Americans act, especially abroad, causes them to get into 'jams' like this? I do feel sorry for the poor old chap who tried to get meds for his sick wife (if that is indeed true); he is a victim of the medicopharmacological establishment the same as nearly everyone here is. He may have thought that it was more like the 'old days' when a wink and a fiver was all you needed to be on your way with the pills. I've also been to Mexico and in many ways and in many areas it is still like this. However, even us innocent bystanders have to pay the price for the behavior of 'Ugly Americans' who have come before us. One OP-related example is how IOPs realize America is one of their biggest customer bases (since citizens of many other countries are entrusted by their governments to be responsible with V or Cod. OTC...the ones who have more limits were influenced by USA drug policy anyway) and yet the USA also is responsible for their biggest customer service headaches in terms of chargebacks after 2 weeks, demanding everything be shipped and tracked *yesterday* despite electing (naivete is no excuse, neither is having your vote bought or coerced by these lobbies and companies) a government whose aim it is to seize and detain each of those packages (despite a somewhat ambivalent importation policy), requiring shippers to get creative and to use slower means of getting the medicine to us. The OP example is only one, and a relatively minor, example of the "Ugly American" phenomenon...
As much as I hate to agree with the Pig, what he said rings very true, even among people who consider themselves tolerant: how much latitude would you give a Mexican who visited this country and, knowingly or unknowingly, broke even a minor law? Is their race, ethnicity, or immigration status an extenuating/mitigating circumstance or an aggravating circumstance for you? Only when we begin to confront our own prejudices and stereotypes can we begin to understand and to parse stories like this by reading 'between the lines' for some underlying themes by thinking critically and not just consuming media at face value. Fortunately, it looks like a majority of DBers have shown that they can think in an advanced way--or maybe it's just the side effects of our medicines enlightening us Or the ability to empathize as those who are suffering and who are, as health-care outcasts, a member of a minority group ourselves.
Thanks for reading.
--J
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sam001
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Loc: Nordstroms
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Just an update, Mr. Lindell was released after 5 - 6 weeks in jail. It was not clear why he was released and no mention has been made of the others arrested during that time period. Since then, Nogales has reported a decrease in visitors, about 50%.
Sam
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Opie_Yates
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I'm sorry I revisited this thread...except to hear that they set the guy loose.
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CoolHandLuke
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Reged: 08/18/04
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Americans are anything but "Free". We have more limitations imposed on our lives than most military dictatorships. Our so called "Free" country has imprisoned more of its population than any other country in the world. The myth of our so called "Freedom" is what keeps us pacified and ignorant. Three cheers for Capitalism!!!!!!!!!!!!
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heli
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Reged: 04/19/03
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Loc: Rocky Mountains
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Very well said, jskream, thank you for taking the time to make all of us think.
What ever happened to the days of revolution?
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