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Souvlaki
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Bush or Kerry? For OP's
      #156484 - 04/21/04 05:26 AM

Which president will be more beneficial to the online pharmacy business?

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drewsmerdel
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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: Souvlaki]
      #156514 - 04/21/04 07:41 AM

As long as Lilly/Phizer/Roche/ etc continue to lobby, then I dont believe either one of the canidiates will favor IOPs. Does it really matter, even if they said they do??? What canidate knows how to keep a promise these days?

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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: Souvlaki]
      #156567 - 04/21/04 10:19 AM

None they all pad their pockets from the big drug companys!

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viper269
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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: Dyno]
      #156702 - 04/21/04 08:49 PM

you would think that the drug companys would love op's as they sell way more meds that way i think you really thank they would want them around
as for the Bush or Kerry? For OP's thing i don't think kerry cares as much about ge thime goene but i don't think he will fight for them eather if we get bush agene he will do everything he can to take that and any other right away from us that he fell is moraoly wrogen to him
one resone i first voted for him was he said he would give are rights back and he didn't think the goverment had the right to tell use we could not mail order meds boy did he lie the other day i hard him say he didn't care what the polls showed we wanted him to do that he was going to do what he felt was beset for us like it or not that made me very made he should be doing what the poeple want him to do that his job not to tell us what we are going to do but to vote for what the poeple want i so hope he does not get back in office he will take as much freedom away as he can and once they are goen it will be h**l to get them back not just for the meds but other thing to


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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: Souvlaki]
      #156705 - 04/21/04 09:30 PM

I honestly think it won't make much of a difference. Both sides, both political parties are traditionally anti-drug, and very rabidly pro-drug war.

Remember when Clinton had knee surgery, and he made a point of not wanting pain medication?

He did not impress me, other than with his stupidity and incredible preachiness. His behaviour told me he was 1) showing off, maybe even in order to impress some girl (j/k) and 2) he was sending the message that you have to be tough and choose to suffer for whatever reason.

It's stupid and irritating. We live in the 21st century, and shouldn't HAVE to suffer. We have the products and the technology. Let's use them instead of playing brave Christian soldier arbitrarily and forcing this becaviour on others.

Between that, and the intended schedule change for Hydrocodone, trafficking in Vicodin, for instance, is going to be a serious crime, a felony. In short, more is going to be illegal. We're being regulated to death. No wait, to death would render us useless and unproductive. How about regulated into submission? How much are we all supposed to take in a Democracy?

And if Kerry wins, he is going to continue the idiotic, cruel, expensive and useless war on drugs, because he has a similar moral background to Bush, and his ideas (whatever they may be) probably aren't all that different anyway. He hasn't made any impact on me yet. Very boring fellow, no clear ideas.

I'm just going to stop shy of the supremely unoriginal argument that he 'flip flops'. Anyone can regurgitate that phrase and come off semi-informed.
Kerry has a brain, and he thinks about issues. As a human being, he is sometimes subject to what is known among mere humans as 'a change of heart', and sometimes his opinion changes as he becomes more informed. So screw that argument!

Another beauty that's probably going to stay, or disappear way too slowly, is the Patriot Act, which Kerry voted for. We gave up freedom for the illusion of safety. 'Live a little' is the sentiment farthest from people's minds.

Something as relatively unimportant as OP's (in Bush or Kerry's judgment) isn't going to be considered, other than for its role in the flow of drugs within this country.

Either Bush or Kerry will probably do anything to curb 'widespread addiction' and the 'prescription drug epidemic' (in their warped way of seeing it), and pat themselves on the back for finally creating a federal law dealing with these 'scofflaws'. Just my wild guess.

Now, if either of these clowns ever has a case of chronically bad back pain or TMJ, and their doctors tell them they have to make do with facet joint injections, and Vioxx or Ibuprofen, even for the long term, then they would probably want opiates.

The disorders we get, when doctors tell us so convincingly: "opiates aren't the best option for this particular problem, we recommend Tylenol and herbal tea", well, I am sure that's good enough for some Oxy for these folks. Surely these educated leaders know their bodies!

And you can bet they'd have their own doctors writing them what they want. No need to change laws, no need to order meds online, and no need to question existing policy. It's always the same story, always has been. No matter what country or political system; if you have the money, you can get the medication you need. Any time. And if you're rich and have the right representation, yes of course you'll be able to convince the prosecutor that it is YOUR own body, and is therefore no one else's business.

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think we need to have similar protection for us 'poor' folks. We need to organize, get our own lawyers, have Congress insist on a Bill of Rights for patients in pain, and also redeclare a proper Right of Autonomy (it's long overdue), which lays out our rights to have full dominion over our own bodies, for starters. Ah one can only dream of such freedom.

I think I will try to dream of that

PS Oh Geez I certainly did not keep it brief and to the point, eh? so sorry about that folks. Just skim as necessary - thanks!


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henry1
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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: redhill]
      #156957 - 04/22/04 09:17 PM

You made some good points redhill. I would not base my vote on where they stand on the OP issue. They will stand with whatever gets them elected. As you said, they have no worries about getting medication, and will never understand anything about OPs. They have no need of online pharmacies, so they remain unaware of what this means to people like us.

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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: henry1]
      #157163 - 04/23/04 10:35 PM

Quote:

There ought to be limits to freedom

-George W. Bush






unfortunately Dubya feels he has the GOD given right to implement these limits. i don't think Kerry feels God has given he, Kerry, any special right to limit freedom.

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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: Dyno]
      #157212 - 04/24/04 08:05 AM

It doesn’t matter who you want to be president.

Presidents aren’t kings for god sakes. Thanks to men and a few strong women who took a rifle in hand, rallied together and defeated the British we have a democracy. It does take the house and senate to pass bills. Its not like Kerry or Bush can just declare the law of the land and OP's will go away.

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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: M4A3]
      #157226 - 04/24/04 09:20 AM

Agreed!

They're all politicians and will jump on any bandwagon likely to secure votes. Tell any politician that s/he can use "drugs, kids and internet" in the same sentence and they're sold on the cause.

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M4A3
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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: caramello51]
      #157248 - 04/24/04 11:40 AM

Quote:

Quote:

There ought to be limits to freedom

-George W. Bush






unfortunately Dubya feels he has the GOD given right to implement these limits. i don't think Kerry feels God has given he, Kerry, any special right to limit freedom.




I want to see a source to that quote or otherwise its a farce.

Im not a big Bush lover , don’t get me wrong. But before people site quotes from those who are elected. They should list the sources and where to find that quotes context.

We don’t want to be as biased as the media, now do we?

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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: redhill]
      #157296 - 04/24/04 05:30 PM

Even if Clinton said he didn't take any pain meds would you believe him? I think it was more about trying to appear macho or whatever term you want to describe it than anything else. That was always what Clinton was about.

Appearance! Not substance!


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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: M4A3]
      #157332 - 04/24/04 08:02 PM

i'll be danged, i copied it from a Henry post, now it's not there???? he didn't credit any source either, but i'm always willing to believe the worst of dubya, i have read on sites that are dedicated to some of dub's worst quotes, sources and all, similar words.

but i do agree, that pain is not a big priority to any politician, unless it's them being a pain in our @@ses. :thumb-down:

and by the way "site" is spelled cite

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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: M4A3]
      #157375 - 04/25/04 06:01 AM

Quote:

It doesn’t matter who you want to be president.

Presidents aren’t kings for god sakes. Thanks to men and a few strong women who took a rifle in hand, rallied together and defeated the British we have a democracy. It does take the house and senate to pass bills. Its not like Kerry or Bush can just declare the law of the land and OP's will go away.




Yes and no. With the current Republican President and puppet congress, he can very easily push through his agenda. Give him another four years, where he will not be held back by re-election concerns, and god knows how many more of our rights will become fond memories.


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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: Caveman6666]
      #157433 - 04/25/04 11:29 AM

:thumb-up:

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henry1
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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: caramello51]
      #157435 - 04/25/04 11:32 AM

Actually, I believe the quote in question came from redhill... I seem to recall seeing it somewhere. Anyone know where it came from?

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M4A3
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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: caramello51]
      #157672 - 04/26/04 02:45 PM

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He didn't credit any source either, but I’m always willing to believe the worst of dubya,





Well, with an attitude like yours (believing anything you read) why would you want to hold a reporter accountable or make sure your being told the truth. You want to believe he's a bad man; so not researching your POV's makes it easier.

Quote:


By the way "site" is spelled cite




Yes thanks, it was an accident.

Also, just to make it clear I am not voting for GW, just wanted to say look into what you read, what you hear and are told.

May surprise you.

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henry1
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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: M4A3]
      #157702 - 04/26/04 05:20 PM

The quote in question can be found at GWBush.com
Its from 05/21/99

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M4A3
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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: henry1]
      #157709 - 04/26/04 06:01 PM

Quote:

The quote in question can be found at GWBush.com
Its from 05/21/99




Your talking about this T-Shirt:


A GW hate site is not a trusted source for quoting any president.

Also notice how they made the print sooooo small that you can't see where that quote came from.

I can name many things I don’t like or disagree with W. about. But you guys cant be taken seriously if you use a hate site that sells bumper stickers and anti Bush T-shirts as a quotable source. I fell like I am arguing with Michael Moore for some reason. The true king of bending the truth and fabricating quotes for his benefit.

I'll state again, I am NOT a republican or a W supporter. Hell I’m not even a Democrat either. Just an Independent that takes politics seriously and the truth as a hard to find commodity.


I wish you a pleasant day.

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henry1
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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: M4A3]
      #157722 - 04/26/04 07:33 PM

M4A3, the quote was taken from a post by redhill. I simply listed the site in case anyone was interested. I believe you can listen to the speech the quote was taken from at the site. I'm a Barney Rubble fan myself...never gets the credit like Fred, very underated actor.

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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: M4A3]
      #157743 - 04/26/04 09:40 PM

well actually i read the new yorker, but their articles are so long they're hard to quote... i wouldn't exactly call them a bush hate mag, but they don't have much good to say about him, and they say the not much good in very big words.

oh yeah, if u ever do find the truth, please let me know...i understand peeps have been searchin' for it for a looong time.

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Re: Bush or Kerry? For OP's [Re: Souvlaki]
      #157771 - 04/27/04 12:33 AM

Neither. They will both avoid it like the plague. Just like, historically speaking, past presidents and presidential candidates having to speak out on abortion issues, although this is not a good comparison, but I hope you get my drift.

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