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bromo
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V-cut valiums
      #138832 - 02/18/04 03:12 PM

I looked through the us pharmacies (the only OP's you'll get them from) and all they're prices are kinda . Does any one know of a atleast semi-cheap v-cut valium source. Much thanks, peace bromo

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: bromo]
      #138860 - 02/18/04 04:47 PM

What is a V-cut valium? How are they different from regular valium? Thanks for the info.

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: mpcagh]
      #139005 - 02/19/04 12:17 AM

I believe those are name brand, am I right?

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: bromo]
      #139038 - 02/19/04 01:49 AM

If anyone knows a source of Valium generic/name brand that is cheap and in bulk and better then Destiny's version please let us know.

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: bromo]
      #139080 - 02/19/04 05:28 AM

When talking about 10mg Roche brand.

*V-cuts denote made and sold in the US only (color is blue).

Non V-cuts denote:

*Possibly made in US and sold abroad.
*Made in another country by same company (usually blue or white in color).

Non brand, or generic valium 10mg's come in lots of different imprints and shapes. Generally the ones I've seen and ordered are blue in color, imprints are ususally "D" or "10"....


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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: omega55]
      #139495 - 02/19/04 08:51 PM

Yes v-cut valiums are brand name roche valiums that are only available in the US. They are actually hollow w/ a v cut right in the center, like k-cut klonopins. So, back to my orginal question, does any one a good source?

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: bromo]
      #139705 - 02/20/04 10:02 AM

You could most likely REQUEST THEM from a good pharmacy like UNITED PRESCRIPTION SERVICE or TDI to order them for you ,But your going to have to use the U.S. OP that uses the pharmacy that gets them for you (THEY WILL BE $$ EXPENSIVE $$ TOO!!) Good Luck, CHEESE

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: CHEESE]
      #140214 - 02/21/04 02:16 PM

why does the v cut out in the middle
make them stronger than the roche 10mg valiums
without the v cut out or is that a novelty thing?

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: specialken]
      #140265 - 02/21/04 04:43 PM

Ken,

The "V" cut in the middle of 2, 5, and 10 mg valium is the trademark of Brand Name and made in the United States by Roche.

It's not a novelty, but to distinguish those made in the US as opposed to the other Roche Brand Name made by their company in foreign countries. Roche has manufacturing plants throughout the world and the Brand Name/Foreign made does not have the distinctive "V" but should have the same active ingredient perecentage as the American correlate.

In the US, V-cut 10mg #60 are sold for $150-$175
v-cut 5mg #60 are sold for $125-$155
This information comes from Drugstore.com which is not an OP; however, I would assume that if you want the US brand name, it would be necessary to go through a record and consult required OP.

There is some difference in opinion whether the American brand name is superior to the foreign brand name, particularly around issues of strenth of the medication.

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: sigmund]
      #140536 - 02/22/04 10:24 AM

I was in Mexico about 6 years back. Purchased a blister pack of Roche 10mg Valium (20 tablets) for $1.20 US. Aah, the good old days.

BTW, a buddy of mine owns a drug store in the USA. He said he purchases generic valium (10mg) for $9.45 per 1,000 tablets (gold star I beleive was the maker).


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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: bromo]
      #140682 - 02/22/04 06:47 PM

Like "U", I am also intrigued by the "V-Shape" in the brand name that "ROCHE" produces for the U.S. market. I wonder if they give off a "Subliminal Message" offering comfortable and relaxation, let's not forget, they also produce "10mg" in a "Pastel Blue", that shade of "Blue" seems also seems to send some sort of "Mystery Message" that makes someone want to take one, (at least for me it does). If you lucky and find a "KEWL" "DOC" who once in a while does not mind prescribing "Valium", (might taking some searching, a few let-downs on the way, but eventually you'll find one) and have him or her prescribe the brand name by writing "DAW" (Dispense As Written) on the bottom of the script (just make sure they do so, before leaving the office) and "V-Cuts" are then at your closest pharmacy. Just keep in mind they are expensive "90" at least for me goes for about "$70.00 -$90.00" price range (it's a good idea shop around, the prices you get form the small independent pharmacies, are usually better then the chain drugstores), but then again you get what you pay for. I don't know too much about domestic OPs (cuz my main route is going IOP), but I do know with online consultations and including the price of the med and the shipping that you can easily end-up paying between ($100.00-$200.00) and if you ask the doc for brand name, the costs are even higher, but it still work in your favor if the doc prescribes with refills, then if "U" work it all out, the total costs would kind match comparing that to ordering from an "IOP". There are no refills with "IOP"s and you can order small amounts (there's a thin between ordering for personal use and ordering with the intent to distribute, and it measure by the quantity ordered from an "IOP"). I've ordered brand name from a multitude of "IOP"s the pill differ in size and shape by they are actually are the "REEL" "Roche brand Valiums" "it says it right on the pill", but they are manufactured for a different part of the world, so their look is different. The best I've seen with brand name "Valiums" including the price, packaging methods, and reliability is "Farmakos.Com" Their brand Valiums are the "REEL" "DEAL". I don't want too give-out too much information, afterall this a public forum. But once you receive their product and actually ingest one. There's no doubt left what so ever. If you want go generic then domesticly go with "Barr Labs", "Purepac", "Watsons", but stay away from "Mylans" and "Scheins". They are very weak, especially the "Mylans" that's why they are so cheap. Anyway happy hunting, you'll be better-off, by finding a "Kewl" "Doc", just make sure that you have "Story" waiting for the "Doc". He's looking for "documentation" and "justification" from "U" for him to prescribe the "Valiums" and include both these attributes in his chart. So what's worked for me in the past is telling him you have just losted a "loved-one" (use a person that is already died years ago like going back 20 years or so and you have come in terms with "emotionally") then do your research, find the symptoms that anxiety includes and mimic them physically. like 1 hour before going to the doc's office, have one those 24oz cups of coffee from the like "Dunkin donuts", which will raise you heartrate and blood pressure slightly, due to the caffeine content (the "doc" needs to DOCUMENT" your vitals and the "vitals" are objective in nature, they are "material" by nature and be can measured and recorded). And then do a little acting like "act like someone who stressed", be like "I wish this feeling would away, so that I can come in terms with my tragedy and begin the emotional healing of the process" If he askes how "U" have you been feeling like this tell him like 3-4 weeks. And then describe you emotions, this is the "subjective" part of the exam (it is "immaterially" and can not be physical measured by a doctor), he can't measure your "emotional state", but he can only go by what "U" tell him. That's the research comes in handy, describe your emotional state as one would if they were having like a "Panic Attack", but don't tell him symptoms of depression, otherwise he'll start "U" with a anti-depressant like "Paxil" or "Trazodone". But you're not there for those for meds, you just the "Valium", some docs will do a combo and prescribe both a "SSRI" and/or "BENZO". IF he does that take the scripts for both and just the "benzo" filled. In most cases the first he'll probably opt for a sedating anti-depressant like "Trazodone" and then on the 2nd visit he opt for a benzo after you wait couple weeks and tell him it's not helping, can I come-in for a vist, and then on the 2nd visit sound more "stressed" then the first one and he'll be "justified" in prescribing a benzo, cuz the first med didn't help. At the end of it all it's a roll of the dice sometimes you lucky and you get a script for benzo on the very first visit, sometimes it's not till like the second or third visit, and it's for this reason that "OPs" and "IOPs" sprang-up in the first place, people got fed-up having to waiting third visit, before they got their script, cuz the dontor was scare, and wanted to look proper on the charts, recording the "documentation" and "justification", so when speaking to the doc make eye-contact and look for "verbal clues" and "body language" to "interpret" and "probe" his intentions, most doctors know you will be fine with a "BENZO" on the very first trip, but they are also caught in the "beaticratic red-tape", just like the rest of us. Anyway "Good Luck" dude.

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: sigmund]
      #140695 - 02/22/04 07:22 PM

IMO, and that of Jim Hogshire in the book, "Pills-a-Go-Go" (read it everyone, it's great), the V-cut in brand name Valium is a mindgame Roche plays. A patient who relies on Valium to regulate their mood gets a psychological dependence to that V-shape- they look like the look, the feel, the novelty aspect. When they see the generic is missing that, they question its purity- they like the ability to have their V-cut Valium around at all times because they already know that works. Take it for what you will, but an incredible amount of time, money, and energy goes into pill design and naming.

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: yawkaw3]
      #140698 - 02/22/04 07:44 PM

Pill fetish is quite common. I know someone who treats solid blue Roche Valiums with utter disdain. And don't forget the K cutout in U.S. Klonopins.

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: Trampy]
      #140747 - 02/22/04 10:23 PM

LOL and you think people would rather care about the product rather then the shape of it .

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: specialken]
      #140760 - 02/22/04 11:03 PM

Quote:

why does the v cut out in the middle make them stronger than the roche 10mg valiums without the v cut out or is that a novelty thing?




If they use the same formulation and everything else is equal, the cut-out in the middle will give the pill greater surface area and make it dissolve a little more quickly. You can obtain exactly the same effect by breaking a pill into pieces before swallowing.

My guess is that it's more psychological than anything else. Don't underestimate the power of suggestion. For many complaints, placebo can be quite effective and it usually has minimal adverse side effects. Many FDA-approved drugs are only slightly more effective than placebo.

Now if only there was a practical way to commercialize the concept ... but i think that neither the U.S. Patent Office or the FDA would go along with the idea.

Trampy

P.S. Some may say that proof of the power of placebo is apparent at any health food store.

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: Bison88]
      #140762 - 02/22/04 11:06 PM

The price difference for this medication, brand "V-cut" Valium compared with the generic, is HUGE. From what I understand these pills cost over $2.00 each, generic a fraction of that. I understand how expensive brand name drugs can be when there is no generic, but can anyone explain why the brand is still so expensive, even with many generics available, and even considering that the V pills have a neat and appealing look, to some people ?

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: ken2]
      #140768 - 02/22/04 11:25 PM

Quote:

The price difference for this medication, brand "V-cut" Valium compared with the generic, is HUGE. From what I understand these pills cost over $2.00 each, generic a fraction of that. I understand how expensive brand name drugs can be when there is no generic, but can anyone explain why the brand is still so expensive, even with many generics available, and even considering that the V pills have a neat and appealing look, to some people ?




It's called supply and demand. In a free market, prices are set when a buyer and seller agree on a price. When the buyer pays the price, they're agreeing to it. Obviously, there are plenty of people willing to pay a much greater price than generic's prices for the name-brand Valiums. Why? It's probably the pill fetish discussed in Hogshire's Pills-a-GoGo.

I don't know about Purepac Valiums, but their clonazepam is every bit as good as Klonopin. If i could get a month's worth of Klonopin for just a few bucks more than the Purepac, i'd pay it, but even with insurance, name-brand costs about $50 more a month. That's not worth it to me, but some pay it.

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: Trampy]
      #140769 - 02/22/04 11:26 PM

I remember a time when I was young and was first prescribed Roche Valiums. Back then they didn't have the V-cut in them. They were round, blue, had the "Roche" imprint on one side and a score, I believe, on the other side.

When the V-cuts went into production, many years later, my first experience with them was they weren't as good as the the solid round ones I had taken. I had thought to myself, they took a 10mg blue pill, hollowed out the middle of it with a V-cut to reduce the strength of it to like 6 or 7mg. I thought this because too many people, back then, were getting addicted to them so they secretly reduced the strength of them by cutting out the middle.

So there ya go. That's my take on the so-called "V" cut pill. Just go with the generics. It's the same dang active ingredient and strength. And they don't have the middle hollowed out so psycologically I think I'm getting more diazepam, as a result.

Edited by omega55 (02/22/04 11:37 PM)


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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: Trampy]
      #140775 - 02/22/04 11:43 PM

Thanks Trampy, I'm sure you're right about that. I do like the appearance of the brand Valium, but after all, we're talking about medication and not a work of art. On a related note, I'm thinking that maybe with the price so high, that a pharmacy orders a quantity of brand Valiums (say 500 or 1,000 or however they come), and they sit for months or years. I guess not, but what do you think? Thanks.

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: omega55]
      #140793 - 02/23/04 12:58 AM

I believe the V shape cutout was introduced in the early to mid 1980s, and if memory serves was also intended to prevent counterfeiting?

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: bromo]
      #142004 - 02/26/04 10:37 AM

gigapharma.com shows a pic of a v-cut on their site for their valium listing, I dont know if they ship these or not. theyre 25 for $50 (I know, not that cheap)

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: enk1]
      #142263 - 02/26/04 11:03 PM

The "V" cut brand roche valiums have different fillers than the foreign and generic formulations of valium. Also, generic equivalents are not always required to be the same consitency as brand especially in foreign countries. For example, a 10mg roche brand name valium may be 9.92mg and another one may be 10.08 mg as long as the total of the 1000 count bottle has the correct amount of milligrams. For the generic counterparts, they are often allowed a 10-12% margin, for example: you can have a 8.97 mg valium and a 11.03 mg valium. My point here is that when you take a med every day, you would prefer the same consistency rather than having one day where your meds work great and another day where you feel like it isn't working as well.

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Re: V-cut valiums [Re: gatorade]
      #142279 - 02/27/04 12:17 AM

Very much agree with your theory about consistency. This extends to other meds as well, and may justify for some the extra cost for brand name.

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