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bones392
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Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim
      #133823 - 02/03/04 02:35 PM

Check this out...

I figured this kinda relevant in this section because it deals with a US op. An Eckerd pharmacist denied a rape victim the morning after pill. He would not fill the script and cited moral grounds for his reasoning. Here is the link to the article:

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-RTO-rontz&idq=/ff/story/0002%2F20040203%2F1524892597.htm&sc=rontz

I hope the link works, if not I will re-post it.


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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: bones392]
      #133848 - 02/03/04 03:43 PM

Link worked for me.

This is positively criminal. Since when does the moral high ground say it is okay to carry an unwanted baby from a rape. Rape alone is enough of a violation against a woman, but to have some pharmacy tech say he will not fill a valid prescription is just rape in another form. It's an abuse of power. Pure and simple. This woman was not victimized just once, but twice. Good to see that he was disciplined too. No woman should EVER have to carry an unwanted rape baby. What is she supposed to do? Be reminded daily about the rape as her body undergoes the changes of pregnancy and then go through the pain of labor simply to justify some moral stance.

I may have annoyed all the pro-lifers, but I've been pro-choice ever since I saw the devestation caused in a woman's life by being forced to carry an unwanted rape baby.

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: D2003]
      #133852 - 02/03/04 03:54 PM

That is horrible, the pharmacist has no right to judge a patient with a RX, WHETHER its a pain pill RX or the day after pill. I love children as much as anyone, but how could you look that child in the eyes and not think, this was from a rape and the face of the person haunting you all the time. I have a close friend who was date raped, was a virgin at the time and after that she was never the same. She will NEVER forget her first time and in more ways than one.

I think any MAN who rapes a woman should have his D*** cut-off and thrown in the woods.I am not physco but this will make sure he nevers rapes someone ever again.

I feel better now!


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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: JOJOM]
      #133862 - 02/03/04 04:22 PM

I'm with you, Jojom. Being male myself, I am very aware that some women are quite nervous around me due to previous bad experiences. Rape really is the ultimate abuse of power by a man. No woman ever 'deserves' to be raped and any man doing it should have certain offending body parts removed. I spent a considerable amount of time in the lesbian community (I was a kind of mascot, seeing I was built on the pygmy plan) and they did a great deal to educate me on what was acceptable behavior and what was not. And trust me, the not was very well re-enforced. Because of the industry I am in (convention planning) I am frequently faced with underaged girls who have been pressured to go further than they were comfortable with. I've used some very...ummmm....man to man methods to get across to these types that no really does mean no. Not maybe, or coax me some more and I'll say yes. No means no, and that is the end of it in my book.

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: bones392]
      #133864 - 02/03/04 04:26 PM

OMG...what a disgusting human being this pharmacist is...does he have not an ounce of humanity that would allow him to put aside his beliefs to help someone?

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: yawkaw3]
      #133867 - 02/03/04 04:37 PM

A lot of people find it difficult to put aside cherished beliefs to assist someone in need. When they take the so called moral high ground, there is little anyone can do to change their minds. I'm seeing more and more of this in our own counties politics. My own beliefs are based on three very basic principles. Honor, courage and truth. It's an old faith going back to Greek times. Guided by those principles, I've always sought to help folks as much as I can. Most folks are being guided by christian principles, but have put their own twist on it, depending on which particular brand of christian faith they follow. There is some faiths that say a women has to carry a rape baby, no matter what, because it would be a sin to abort the embryo. I personally do not subscribe to this kind of thinking. I've seen too many lives destroyed by it.

And then to have some pharmacy tech decide to take some moral stance. Sheesh! Let HIM be on the receiving end of a rape, and then have to carry that baby. I think his moral stance would change very quickly indeed.

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: bones392]
      #133885 - 02/03/04 05:22 PM

I really do not understand why someone would treat someone else like that. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs, but to take it out on another person in such a way is horrible. Pharmacists are there to fill prescriptions and check for drug interactions, not to preach and deny medications because they think its wrong.

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: mpcagh]
      #133976 - 02/04/04 03:08 AM

Another example of a pharmacy trying to but into peoples business. Doesn't matter weather it's the morning after pill or pain meds. It's the Doctors call.

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: bones392]
      #133980 - 02/04/04 04:32 AM

Unbelievable! That pharmacist should have been fired. He needs to find a new career. And chopping off a certain body part - absolutely! Maybe he and the rapist could get a '2 fer'

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: 2muchpain]
      #133989 - 02/04/04 05:34 AM

I completely agree with D. And everyone else. The pharmacist had absolutely no right whatsoever to deny filling a legal prescription due to his moral, or religious beliefs. Can you imagine how that poor woman felt after being raped, and then told by this holier than thou pharmacist she could not have her prescription filled due to his morals? Unbelievable. Thank God she found another pharmacy to fill it for her. The morning after pill needs to be taken immediately (I believe)or it won't be effective. Think of what would have happened if it had been too late...

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: KBlues]
      #134119 - 02/04/04 12:13 PM

Sorry to the Admin here that I orginally posted that article in the wrong section. I just wanted more people to see it because of how horrible an injustice it is.

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: bones392]
      #134171 - 02/04/04 03:34 PM

Quote"Maybe he and the rapist could get a '2 fer'"

Very Funny


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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: bones392]
      #134348 - 02/05/04 05:53 AM

I agree with everyone here, but I don't like the "morning after" pill. It is legal, so her rights were violated.

I am a result of a rape and my mom loved me until she died 10 years ago. I am glad that pill wasn't around when I was born, or I may not be here. As you can see, I don't believe in abortion. I have two lovely children that wouldn't be here either. Both are straight A students who have a zest for life. I know this is a bit off topic, so please don't flame. You are correct; the pharmacist should have filled the script, period! It is not his/her place to make a decision like that. On the other hand, I question the pill itself. It does induce abortion. But that is just my thoughts.

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: okiedad777]
      #134366 - 02/05/04 07:16 AM

It doesn't matter what your beliefs are, or if you like the morning after pill or abortion. That pharmacist has no right to tell any woman what she can and can't do with her own body, and a pharmacist denying a legitimate prescription due to HIS beliefs, is completely wrong, and he should be fired and never allowed to work in the medical field ever again. By the way, this post is not directed toward you specifically Jimbo. I completely respect your beliefs. The reality is that it doesn't matter if it was the morning after pill or a prescription for antibiotics. The job of the pharmacist is to fill prescriptions, unless for example, the patient is getting the same narcotic medication from 3 different doctors at the same time. Only in those type of cicumstances should a pharmacist question, or refuse to fill a prescription. Again-this isn't directed at you Jimbo, I am just adding to my earlier comments.

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: KBlues]
      #134717 - 02/06/04 07:14 AM

What a crock!!! If I took a prescription to Eckerds to get filled and the pharmacist said "I'm not filling this because I feel it is immoral", he wouldn't have to worry about losing his job, because I would jerk him over that counter so quick he'd probably drop dead from a heart attack. The nerve of some people, I swear. lIke the poor girl hasn't been through enough already, that she needs to listen to that sh#t! But imagine it was you with a hydro script or something and he says "I don't believe in pain medicine. People only use it to get high"! I would see that he never filled another script in his whole entire life. I have no sympathy for people like that and I hope he rots in he11! This story is sickening, but enlightening at the same time. Thanks for posting it!

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: KBlues]
      #134807 - 02/06/04 12:41 PM

I agree with you Kblues. I was just stating my personal belief. The Pharmacist should have filled the script. He or she has no right to make a moral decision like that.

I know you weren't flaming me; just wanted to re-state what I said before.

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: JOJOM]
      #135630 - 02/09/04 04:56 PM

F him and F every one who believes a woman is "at fault" for her own rape! It takes a lot to get me really incited, my friends know me as the gentle, low keyed one, but stories like this make me livid! Maybe b/c I'm a victim myself, but I know this; rape without a weapon carries a max 3-5 year sentence. No where near enough. The guy who ruined my trust in men, he should rot in a gutter.

Sorry, guys, but if you love your girls, and love yourselves, realize that the men out there who do this are monsters. I'm not this passionate about any other subject (2muchpain, you're probably wide eyed at my words! )_

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: junebug101]
      #135677 - 02/09/04 08:12 PM

I am a man, and I have also been raped. It is just as devestating to a man as it is to a woman. Perhaps a little more so because some men begin to question their own masculinity after such an attack. Because I have always been secure about my own manhood, it didn't leave me questioning myself in some way. The effects however, did stay with me for many years. There were certain things I simply couldn't do with a lover any longer. It took a lot of time, but I did eventually recover. I've become an advocate for stronger rape laws, including chemical castration. (Although, I really would like to see a physical one instead!) No women ever deserves to be raped, no matter what. We men are responsible for our own actions. Saying that we were provoked in some way by scantily clad dress, or some woman flirting with us, is NOT am excuse for rape. Rape is an abuse of power, pure and simple. Rapists are sick men who deserve to spend long periods in prison and be chemically castrated.

After the attack I endured, I did question how I responded to women in general (I became very shy around women and would not act on a clear invitiation to take our relationship further)....and it actually took a lesbian friend to show me the error in my own thinking. Each and every man is responsible for his own actions. It doesn't matter what those actions may be. Fits of temper, rape, general violence of some kind, abuse both physical or mental, it doesn't matter. Men of honor DO NOT act dishonorably, and that includes pressuring a woman to do something with us just because we are hot to trot. My lesbian friend helped me understand that I had to take responsibilty for my own actions, and should not feel guiltly for what was done to me. I didn't 'provoke' my rape, it was simply a case of a man who was bigger and stronger than me who felt I needed humbling, and this was the best way he had of doing it. It wasn't right then, and it isn't right now.

I am still somewhat circumspect with women, and usually have to bashed over the head to get the message they would like to do something a bit more physical with me. Even then, I give them every opportunity to say no. And I accept that no for what it is. No doesn't not mean maybe, or coax me some more and I might say yes. No means no. Goddess, my last g/f almost had to hit me with a brick upside the head a few times before I got the message she wanted me to get more physical with her. Even then, I did give her every opportunity to back out, and I would have accepted that on face value. My lesbian friend (and several others) taught me ways to pleasure a woman that doesn't even involve the use of my manhood. It is such a pleasure to be able to do that now. Any problems I once had with certain sexual practises have now gone the way of all bad experiences....and again, that is thanks to my friend, and her friends. They educated me in ways I am forever grateful for now.

No woman EVER 'deserves' to be raped, or beaten or abused in any way. (Men either, and there is more of that going on than most people realize.) If all men take FULL responsibility for their actions, there would be a lot less rapes, but because this is not the case, all I can do is educate my own small corner of the world.

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: bones392]
      #135680 - 02/09/04 08:26 PM

I thought I responded to this but maybe it didn't go thru. The pharmacist had no right to refuse filling the script. As far as the womens choice it is exactly that, her choice. I'm glad the pharmacist was reprimanded. turcica

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Re: Texas Pharmacist Denies Pill to Rape Victim [Re: D2003]
      #135748 - 02/10/04 06:07 AM

Thanks D2003, for putting out an important fact that we often forget. Victims are of both sexes. I'm so sorry this happened to you. Feel free to PM me anytime if you want to vent or chat. It's been a lot of years for me, but sometimes it's like it's yesterday.



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