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Chara
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Ordering meds and customs
      #101148 - 09/19/03 12:29 AM

Hi,

I have a friend who ordered meds from O/S (Romania) and got a seizure letter. He has ordered again, but now he is worried that his name has been placed on a list and that all future packages he gets will be inspected.

I have a feeling that it's best to use anonymous mails to specific addresses (such as a friend who is understanding etc), than to use one's own name and address. However, my friend doesn't like doing that because he doesn't like getting other people involved.

From what I understand IOPs use registered air-mail to cover their own butts, not yours. They don't give a rat's whisker if the meds get seized as long as they are sure that the customer recieved their package, meds or loveletter it doesn't matter. To wit, all registered mail gets delivered to the specified country of destination. That's for sure. The meds also get delivered to the specified address. But that's not for sure.

My friend ordered, and he is worried that customs have him on a list...since the order will be sent through registered mail, he's worried that his name will come up and bing...another seizure and another wasted $150!

Hope anyone can offer some sort of advice as to whether it is true that customs keep their names and address on a list of people who have meds seized. Friend is in Australia he recently moved from New Zealand. Australia is a cool place? That's for sure, I love it here and the climate is awesome. The government stays out of people's private lives? That's not for sure. Best if kept off the board shame ain't it!

Chara


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night_shade
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Re: Ordering meds and customs [Re: Chara]
      #103254 - 09/27/03 12:48 PM

I run an online book business and do TONS of shipping to international and domestic destinations. I mainly use Global Priority Mail. When a package got "lost in the mail," the only way to track it was by the tracking number. This is true for domestic shipments as well. As far as the USPS is concerned (unless shipped FedEx or UPS, or similar---and all packages from international origin that are shipped by the origin country's postal service are delivered, in turn, by the USPS) there would be no way to set up a "hit list" by name to watch for incoming shipments.

And I think this would also be true of FedEx and UPS. I'd very much like to see evidence if this is an incorrect assumption on my part.

I also wonder if people realize how few of the millions of pieces of mail are actually inspected by Customs each day. This should bring everyone at least a modicum of comfort!

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drewsmerdel
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Re: Ordering meds and customs [Re: night_shade]
      #103294 - 09/27/03 03:18 PM

Somewhwere I have read that they(USPS) are trying to bar-code all mail incoming to the US and sent from within the US. So one day this would be possible to flag anyone put into the comptuter, but for now I believe these red flag lists are an urban legend. I went a longggg time before my first seizure, but it dosnt seem to be stopping any other parcels.

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Trampy
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Re: Ordering meds and customs [Re: drewsmerdel]
      #103302 - 09/27/03 03:36 PM

Quote:

Somewhwere I have read that they(USPS) are trying to bar-code all mail incoming to the US and sent from within the US.




Since seizures are a civil mattter, and not criminal actions, I would wager that any such recordkeeping by Customs would be subject to the federal Privacy Act. Therefore, unless you are the target of a criminal investigation, you could receive any records that Customs maintains on you. Search around in the privacy newsgroups on USENET and it should be easy to find a form letter that you can fill out and send to Customs invoking your rights under that law. This letter needs to include identifying information such as your DOB and SSN and it should be notarized by someone who checked your ID. The agency has only a certain number of days to respond and either give you all they have on you or explain why they can't. They can withhold information that is classified and they can withhold information that is part of an open criminal investigation.

It's like a FOIAA request, except they are only supposed to give someone's records to the subject ... and they'll only do it if it's requested using the proper form and content. Simply asking for your records cannot be interpreted as evidence of criminal conduct ... though if there *were* a criminal investigation, your request could be entered into evidence at trial. But if they targeted you for investigation solely because you exercised your Privacy Act rights, you could claim unlawful selective prosecution under the Equal Protection clause. Getting your records from government agency is a *right*. Congress passed that law after the abuses of Richard Nixon and J. Edgar Hoover where they kept files on people to have leverage over them, including many members of Congress. Congress was pissed! The Privacy Act was passed primarily to serve as a check on the power of the Executive Branch, of which Customs and Homeland Security is a part.

Re bar codes on the mail ... if you'll notice the mail that comes to you, USPS will often print a bar code of your ZIP+4 or Z+? on the bottom of the envelope, and sometimes on both sides. This is for the automatic sorting machinery. It has absolutely nothing to do with Customs. They print this bar code sometimes even if the address is handwritten. The machinery apparently can "read" much handwriting ... or else they must have someone type the address.

To stay up on the latest technology used by Customs, visit their web site. They usually post their Commissioner's regular testimony to Congress and they usually post about it when they add new technology for inspecting the mail. They would often say where the newest machines are installed. Until recently it was all there for the public.

Now that Customs is part of Homeland Security, they may be more tight-lipped. It's worth checking out, regardless. I think that this is an area where there could be explosive (pun intended) growth for the companies that make these machines.

If you're concerned with privacy, one thing to be aware of is an "anti-money-laundering" system that USPS has put into place for postal money orders. They can trace any money order from the place/time of purchase to the bank account in which it is later deposited. The system works in many overseas countries as part of how U.S. postal money orders are cleared as deposited checks. They can also work backwards and practically every post office in the country will have you on video when the money order is purchased. Those videos are archived on computer files. USPS money orders are not private. They had a security guy from USPS on NPR bragging about this new system that went live last year.

Trampy

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Edited by Trampy (09/27/03 04:36 PM)


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LumbarSpasm
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Re: Ordering meds and customs [Re: Trampy]
      #103308 - 09/27/03 04:14 PM

My local post office sells the money orders for 90 cents and has a little notice that they are valid only in the US.

Makes sense they would be easy to track. And Video...is so very useful.

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