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neatjs
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Here is a MUST READ
      #89766 - 07/25/03 09:13 AM

Just Saw this on-line. Haven't read it yet but....here goes, Sunny

WASHINGTON (July 25) - The House approved legislation early Friday allowing Americans to purchase prescription medicine abroad, voting 243-186 after a clash that pitted the hope of lower prices against the fear of counterfeit drugs.

The vote marked a defeat for the pharmaceutical industry, which spends millions lobbying Congress, and was repeatedly criticized by lawmakers in both parties for putting profits ahead of patients.

``It's not about safety, it's about money,'' said conservative Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., practically hissing the word. ``There's a woman ... who's dying of breast cancer,'' he added. ``... How do you tell her when she goes to buy tamoxifen that she can't afford it but she could go right across the border to Canada and get it for one sixth or one seventh the cost.''

``The country is going to be flooded with unsafe pharmaceutical counterfeits, over-age pharmaceuticals, pharmaceuticals that don't preserve and protect the safety of our citizens,'' countered Rep. John Dingell, a Michigan Democrat who has long worked on drug issues.

The vote sent the bill to the Senate, and House supporters hoped it would be incorporated, as well, in any final compromise on Medicare prescription drug legislation.

But the chances of that appeared to dim even as the debate unfolded on the House floor, when 53 senators announced their opposition to any change in the current law which allows the Secretary of Health and Human Services to decide whether importation would be safe.

Among those signing a letter on the issue were Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Don Nickles, R-Okla., both of whom are part of the group hoping to craft a final Medicare bill this fall.

Congress has approved legislation twice before dealing with the drug importation issue, but both times said the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services would first have to certify that the drugs would be safe. Neither Donna Shalala, who served under former President Clinton, nor Tommy Thompson, who holds office under President Bush, was willing to do so.

This time, the bill backed by Republican Reps. Gil Gutknecht of Minnesota, Rep. Jo Ann Emerson of Missouri and Democratic Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, ordered HHS to set up a system to allow importation of FDA-approved drugs from FDA-approved facilities in Canada, the European Union and seven other nations.

The measure also would require imported medicine to be shipped in anti-tampering and anti-counterfeiting packaging.

Even so, the Bush administration issued a statement calling the bill ``dangerous legislation.''

And FDA Commissioner Mark McClellan said the measure ``creates a wide channel for large volumes of unapproved drugs and other products to enter the United States that are potentially injurious to public health and pose a threat to the security of our nation's drug supply.''

The vote crossed the customary party and ideological lines in the House. There were 155 Democrats, 87 Republicans and 1 independent in favor, and 45 Democrats and 141 Republicans opposed.

The vote capped an emotional debate, supporters repeatedly referring to cancer victims who must pay more for medicine at home than they would in Canada or Germany, and opponents warning of drugs that look legitimate, but are worthless, or even hazardous.

Gutknecht held up two packages of the drug tamoxifen, used to combat breast cancer. ``Why is it that Americans have to spend $260 for this life-saving drug when Germans can buy it for $60,'' he said.

But Rep. W.J. Tauzin, R-La., countered by showing the website of a Canadian prescription drug house. He said FDA officials had purchased anti-seizure medication from the company, but found it was made in India, not Canada. ``It is water inside this package,'' he said.

The measure had wide appeal to consumers - thousands of whom have ridden in buses to Canada in recent years to buy lower-cost drugs. And several lawmakers accused the drug industry of merely trying to protect its own profits. Liberal Rep. Bernard Sanders, I-Vt., said it had spread ``lies, lies, and lies again'' in an effort to kill the bill.

``We do believe there is a safety problem,'' said Mark Grayson, a spokesman for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, known as PhRMA. He also said the legislation would import the system of price controls that foreign government impose on drugs.

He said he didn't know how much the group was spending to defeat the bill, adding, ``We don't discuss that.''

The pharmaceutical industry made more than $20 million in political contributions in the past election, with roughly $8 of every $10 going to Republicans, according to an analysis by the Center for Responsive Politics.

PhRMA itself gave more than $3 million and spent more than $14 million lobbying Congress on various issues last year. In addition, the organization gave millions last year to an organization that aired television commercials on behalf of candidates who backed a GOP-written prescription drug bill.



07/25/03 07:58 EDT



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dar
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Re: Here is a MUST READ [Re: neatjs]
      #89889 - 07/26/03 06:08 AM

All I can say is....

This is [supposed to be] the land of the FREE [read that free choice!]And the risk we may take in 2nd rate drug quality sometimes is better than nothing at all.

And we are the home of the BRAVE [read that brave enough to look for other ways to deal with medical contditions once IMO our Dr.s have failed to do so]

I hope that the "Powers that Be" are getting the picture, that the average guy/gal out their merely wants a life of quality [which for most who post here seems to include some kind of pain control, just to function at a relative norm]

After all, if the majority of DBer's were strung out addicts I hardly think they would be able to even type in their Username and Password Hopefully someone is wising up and starting to see the unhidden hidden ajenda of the Pharm. Co.'s and the profits that are made on the backs of those with bulging discs.

Just a little ranting, "I love ... FREE SPEECH"

Dar

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sly176541
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Re: Here is a MUST READ [Re: dar]
      #89895 - 07/26/03 07:12 AM

Hey, I got the same message... it was e-mailed to me with the story and a list of pharmacies that said 25 % off any drug including OXY'S.
Of course my first impresion is it is some kind of trap, but i went to the site and they have morphine percodan and oxy's all be it pricy but they were their.
I guess the next question is who will be the guinea pig to order some from them.
The site is chronicpainpharmacy.com

Sly


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platinum79
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Re: Here is a MUST READ [Re: sly176541]
      #95903 - 08/26/03 01:23 PM

Just last night on my local news(Indiana) I saw where an elderly couple (from here) had been riding a bus each month(a bus that boarded customers strictly for the trip to Canada to buy meds) to obtain their medications because they were getting them sometimes up to 70% cheaper than locally. The husband had been paying an average of $450 a month locally and the wife $250, legislation got word (probably receiving complaints that prescription medications were too high) and decided to construct a similar business locally, to save people money and the trip! It's called RX Depo, in Indianapolis, I thought that was a splendid idea, especially for the elderly...

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Re: Here is a MUST READ [Re: platinum79]
      #95913 - 08/26/03 02:08 PM

We just had a Canadian Pharmacy open up right down the road, here in California. Last I heard, they were doing an amazing amount of business.

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Re: Here is a MUST READ [Re: neatjs]
      #95952 - 08/26/03 05:14 PM

The American people (well, most of us anyway)are not as stupid as our government would like to believe that we are. We do not need a "nanny government" to babysit us. We need Washington to treat us like the adults that we are, and trusting us to make intellegent decision for ourselves. Instead, they use the media to work us up into a frenzy of fear to the point that we don't know who or what to be afraid of anymore. They use scare tactics in order to chip away at our inalienable rights. They've got us scared of drugs, of guns, of communism, our neighbors, when in reality we should be scared of THEM!

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knak
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Re: Here is a MUST READ [Re: moonbeam]
      #96026 - 08/26/03 11:45 PM

Very well said! Bravo!!!

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Re: Here is a MUST READ [Re: moonbeam]
      #97306 - 09/01/03 03:24 PM

Well Stated

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Re: Here is a MUST READ [Re: toneebrad]
      #125643 - 12/30/03 02:45 PM

I agree! Well said, both parties are equally wrong in thier ways and until we the people step up and let the liberal left and hard line right know that we are the ones who pay the bills and we are the ones who put them in office we are going to have to suffer through one rubbish regime after another. They laugh at us all the way to the bank as we debate the the Dems are better than the Gops and vis a versa when in truth, they are all self serving greedy people who's only concern is getting re elected so they can shaft us some more.

We need to wake up and take our country back.

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