hottiefromky
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Reged: 05/29/03
Posts: 149
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One more post today, I promise  Sorry, I'm just all new to this with multiple questions. Anyways, am I the only person here that is scared of the legalities of all this OP and hydro's? I do have legit, legal, medically documented pain and conditions, but scared to death when ordering and talking to these online pharmacies and doctors. I'm just waiting for the feds to knock on my door and take me to jail for ordering a 100 hydro's. Anyone else with this anxiety? And, how can I overcome it? I guess some of you have been doing this for months without problems?
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lovepink
Goddess
Reged: 01/01/02
Posts: 1476
Loc: NYC Metro Area
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US OPs are currently operating in a "gray" area of the law. For the time being, the vast majority of US OPs are legal and you don't need to worry about the feds knocking on your door. IOPs, on the other hand, definitely aren't legal, no matter what they may claim on their websites. If Customs intercepts a package sent to you by an IOP, however, 90% of the time you'll just receive what is commonly known as a "love letter" (seizure notice) that most people just toss.
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chevygal
Veteran
Reged: 04/28/03
Posts: 504
Loc: Way down south
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HI
I felt just as you and have posted some questions recently on u.s. op's. I have been using op's since Jan/feb. i was nervous also. but at the time didn't know about DB and all the help support and info you get here . If you have your med records use an op that requires you to fax them in if that makes you feel more comfortable. I haave had no problems. My doctors are what made me take the plunge. I was/am tired of being treated like a 2 yr old or having my concerns brushed aside and I got sick and tired of suffering because the doctor "thinks" this or that or "feels if I would just..." It was always about what he felt and not how I ME MYSELF felt or what he could do for ME. It is nice to be able to stand at the sink and cook or do my dishes and not cry. You can PM me if ya want or need to talk or whatever. It was hard at first for me also cause I am in this alone (except for my new friends here) as my husband is far to impatient and my kids are just teens and have lives to live. Hope this helped a little. sorry for rambling
chevygal
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qbird
material girl
Reged: 09/02/02
Posts: 826
Loc: USA
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I am in agreement with the other posters here. If you are using a US Op then you are ok. If you send in your medical records or use a portamedic, even better. Where you see people getting arrested is when they have controlled substances mailed to them from another country. That is definitely illegal. Most of the time you get a letter from customs, but you are hearing of more cases of arrests being made.
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rex
Enthusiast
Reged: 01/29/03
Posts: 219
Loc: U.S.
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Just adding another vote for U.S. OPs being legal. I would recommend using one that inisists on medical records before they schedule a consult. When they demand that, it shows that they are truly trying to be legal.
Also, your medical records are YOURS. You can request them and do not have to provide ANY reason for why you want them. They may request a small fee ($15 for me) to cover the gathering of records, copying/printing, labor, and shipping. I think that is reasonable. I would recommend ordering them as soon as possible, if you don't have them already. Mine took 3 weeks to arrive.
I believe that talking on the phone to a U.S. licensed doctor who has your medical records in front of him/her constitutes a "doctor-patient relationship", and that will enable him/her to legally prescribe Schedule III and IV (hydrocodone, valium, etc.) to you (the Rx will be filled through a U.S. pharmacy) as he/she deems appropriate for you. If all of this is done, I believe this is totally legal (for now).
Now you may be wondering which U.S. OP to use. Many people, including myself, have found Your Online Doctor (YOD) to be among the best. They are strict about medical records (I like that), their customer service is outstanding, and the pharmacy they use (Woody's) is reputed to have, for the most part, the lowest prices. And the pharmacy is well run, also. However, if you are looking for benzos (valium, etc.), YOD is not for you. They are known for prescribing low or no benzos. They are great for pain killers, though.
Alternate OPs that have had good reports are Fedxmeds, Eastern Valley Medical Group, and Norcoworldwide. That is a short list of some of the best that I have gathered after much reading. There are other good ones, too.
Definitely read over the U.S. Feedbacks, as they are very helpful, and may point you to the best OP for you if you have any particular situation or need.
I agree, IOPs are illegal. I, personally will not use those.
You can PM me if you need more help. Happy shopping .
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prettyday
Threadhead
Reged: 02/09/03
Posts: 914
Loc: Coastal Sage Scrub
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You have to love the people on here. They are giving you the benefit of their experience and well-considered advice.
Do you remember the movie Basic Instinct? Something about the scene where Sharon Stone says if I wanted to beat that lie detector machine, I bet it wouldn't be hard?
I am making a very valid point here, stay with me...
When anyone here goes to request their medical records, the last thing to do is have your OP on your mind at the moment.
BLANK IT OUT!!!!!!!
There are plenty of other reasons for people to request their records. I speculated a while back in another forum if there were a sudden rush of people, combined with reputable OPs that insist on records, that the med staff is not magically insulated from the WWW. Heck, we've read that many of our members are medical professionals concerned with their privacy.
The trick is, not to think of that when you are requesting what in all fairness, you have paid endless amounts of money and waited infinities past your appt. time in order to accumulate 240-600 seconds of face to face time with an overworked, subjective individual whose notes will no doubt take up three-quarters of each sheet, max.
You are not obtaining the card that will let you into a speakeasy, OK?
You are assimilating your complete records.
Just as you would your financial portfolio.
Or your childrens or pets vaccination records.
Would you stand for stalling on those two issues.
No.
If you get a 'knowing' look from the receptionist, or whoever, ignore it. Make your request, then leaf thru your Day-timer. Be courteous, but don't fawn. they are turning on their electricity every morning because they have patients, of which you are one.
If you psych yourself into seeing this as a item to be checked off on your to-do list, instead of a means to an end, you will be and seem much more casual and to the point.
Good luck to you.
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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
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scissorhands
Member
Reged: 06/04/03
Posts: 167
Loc: Hell
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Just wanted to add something to Rex's outstanding post. When asking for your medical records (which you are entitled to) if you are the least bit afraid to ask for.
You can always say that your spouse is considering a job out of state, and you want to have them in your posession in case its a quick move.
You can tell them you are thinking about filing for SSD and want to get all your records together to look over them.
Sex on television can't hurt you, unless you fall off!
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PrivateRealm
Threadhead
Reged: 03/18/03
Posts: 879
Loc: usa
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Hydro ordered from respectable US OP's are perfectly legit with perfectly legitimate prescriptions from a US doctor. The OP's that require records and phone consultations are the most legit. It is the IOP's and especiall e-mail sources that are not "legit". I personally use YOD and they meet my needs and are a great bunch to work with. Kathy, the owner, posts here on DB and is extremely responsive and helpful. Eventualy, in time with the progress the world is taking, I would not be suprised to see insurance cover OP's and many people's PCP being doctor's online.
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"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take - but by the moments that take our breath away."
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lala
Member
Reged: 06/21/03
Posts: 140
Loc: michigan
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I kinda got the same feeling about all this legal/illegal use of IOP/OP's,but you know-we're all in it together;to help each other out in times like this.Just know that what your doing isn't bad or wrong.Unfortunately,we've all have turned to the alternative in order to be pain free.So I guess I can be cool knowing I'm doing the legal thing.Also, like another post said you guys are a comfort and are like family.Since,my husband is impatient too.My kids are going about their daily lives.I really don't have anyone else except,DB and God;which is cool by me.I'm glad you guys are here.Thanks.Peace Out. Everything will be just fine! 
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Billyl
Board Addict
Reged: 06/14/02
Posts: 389
Loc: NorthEast
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I would refrain from making the statement "we all turned to the alternative to be pain free". This is not true. This is the heart of the legal problem with OP's as well as visiting a regular doctor. There are people and many of them that use alternative measures to obtain prescription medications for reasons other than pain relief. I believe the only OP's that can stand a true blue full DEA and State audit might be OP's like Madison or the very few others that require Urine screens, blood work, a portamedic that actually does more than have you fill out a form and requires real recent documented records stating that alternative treatments have been tried and you have been prescribed narcotic prescriptions for pain. All others and even these operations are under a very small grey area that is rapidly changing. Doom and Gloom, no, have the enforcement actions increased in the last 3 years, somewhat, what do I think and who cares? I think it is such a big legal mess that at this point it will take congressional action before more serious issues are addressed and new more spoecific laws are enacted before much will change. I just have no idea when it will happen. I still can't believe that a true government internet sting operation (an e-mail source type)hasn't been conducted as of this date. Take care. Billylll
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zorg
Veteran
Reged: 04/29/02
Posts: 559
Loc: Midwest
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I share your concern, but I don't dwell too terribly much due to my documentation. As long as records are comprehensive and any perceived violations are not flagrant, I don't think there's a whole lot to worry about. Yet.
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Daycamp72
Enthusiast
Reged: 06/29/02
Posts: 283
Loc: Tara
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Thanks, Billy. I have ONE question. With the existence of the state's monitoring prescriptions and sales of narcotics, an individual could, possibly, be contacted by the DEA and charged with "doctor shopping" or "possession of narcotics" or "possession of narcotics with intent to distribute".
What makes those people that choose to double/triple dip with OPs different than their retail pharmacy peers? Aren't on-line pharmacies, as well as the pharmacists, under the same scrutiny as the Walgreen's and their pharmacists down the street? Aren't the on-line pharm.'s record-keeping systems virtually the same as those of a retail drug store?
What is the difference here? Am I missing something?
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