LuckyDee
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Below is an article in a Florida Newspaper: 
Bush on offensive against drugs
Governor wants new law to identify addicts
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
The state needs to do more to fight prescription drug abuse and should pass a law that would help doctors and pharmacists identify addicts, Gov. Jeb Bush said Thursday.
Bush said he would support a law that creates a database so doctors and pharmacists could see if patients already have had drugs prescribed and filled elsewhere. Bills sponsored by Rep. Gayle Harrell and Sen. Mike Fasano that would have created the database died during the legislative session that ended May 2.
"This bill would tell pharmacists when similar prescriptions are being filled at multiple locations by the same person. It would alert doctors when their patients have obtained simultaneous prescriptions from other doctors," Bush said during the state's annual drug summit.
He said he plans to talk with Harrell, R-Port St. Lucie, and Fasano, R-New Port Richey, about reviving the legislation.
"It will stop doctor shopping; it will stop pharmacy shopping. It will make it increasingly harder for people to imperil their own lives," Bush said.
Bush has personal experience with the problem of prescription drug abuse. His daughter, Noelle, is undergoing treatment after being arrested in January 2002 and charged with using a fraudulent prescription to try to obtain the anti-anxiety drug Xanax
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shasta
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That's Jebby for you - and with the current idiotic legislature in Florida, and with Bush calling for more special sessions, I will bet you this one will pass easily. It would most likely only affect those of us in Florida. LucyDee - thanks again for this insight!!!!
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cherokeereb
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More intrusion into our lives. Last I heard it had passed the senate and was waiting for the house to vote on it. That or the other way around. What would we do without Big Brother to watch out for us!!
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wildbill
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We came to this state from wide open NYC... this particular area is so nosy and the drs have nothing better to do than report patients as "seekers"... there's signs in offices saying "no narcotics after such and such date"... and plenty of people do painkillers or tranqs here ANYWAY.... this sort of leftover "just say no" hypocrisy is endemic of florida... perhaps this kind of uptight behavior is what is encouraging many of the domestic ops to be working out of this state, after all
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Anonymous
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Bad news is that W/A$hcroft will probably propose the same sort of thing nationwide soon. Good news is that if you've ever been to the DMV, you know the Gov't can't implement a database system that works. Hell they can't even count the votes in Florida
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IMSUSCOT1
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Geez...they can't keep track of the children in foster care, but they want to keep track of who's getting what prescription drugs where???? Goes to show where the Bush mindset is!
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madman
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Are goverment spends far too much time worring about what outher people are doing,the problem is that these laws are made in such a way that we donot even know untill it already becomes a law.
And that wrong 
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cherokeereb
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Shows where Jeb's priorities are. I guess screw the kids and the poor but, BY GOD he's gotta pinch those who set up his daughter!
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Auntiecyn2
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Doesn't it just make you want to scream? With all the things wrong with our country and the medical care system in particular they have nothing better to do but punish us all for Noelle. Good grief!
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TLT
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I totally agree with all of you. This is another way for the government to waste our money! I live in Ky, where there is already a statewide database. Every time I have my pain meds filled, I have to show a picture ID, and give my SS#. NO ID= NO MEDS!!
Terri
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Ocean
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It will make it increasingly harder for people to imperil their own lives," Bush said.
Oh, I'm so glad we have Jeb to save us from ourselves... He couldn't even manage his affairs in his own back yard! The Bush family has a long history with drugs and alcohol... W was even arrested for DWI!!! But we all need saving!
Typical right-wing thinking! Who the heck would vote for someone like that anyway???
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Such a long, long time to be gone... And a short time to be there...
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cherokeereb
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If I'm not mistaken, didn't Jeb's wife get busted right after he got elected for not paying duties or something like that for a bunch of stuff she brought into the country? I think the amount was in the thousands. The feds are wanting to invade our private lives even more. I thought the republicans wanted LESS government. I'm just waiting for the morality police to become a reality. I actually heard on tv today that some bigwig in the federal gov. made a comment to the effect that we can't wait for a terrorist to commit a crime to prosecute them. I mean, we need to protect ourselves but does that comment worry anybody else? If you have proof that someone is planning a crime, isn't that a crime in itself? What are they going to prosecute people for if no crime has been commited? I, for one, can proudly say I didn't vote for either of them. Sorry, didn't mean to rant, just got carried away.
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cherokeereb
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Quote:
Hell they can't even count the votes in Florida
I saw a billboard on I-10 near Tallahasse that said something like "come to Florida, a great place to rest and count,recount, and recount sheep!!!! Thought it was great! 
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moonshade
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Speaking personally, as a citizen of Florida, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
Why?
1. Do u remember the last presidential election fiasco?
And what state caused the big hold-up?
2. We order from online pharmacies. They won't be included in the database.
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Boobetty
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Boy I sure hope your right on this!! think the OP's are goig to have to really work hard too keep this going or THEY are going to be out a ton of money....I love the one that said about Jeb "he needs to clean up his own backyard" I am so with you on that cause he is a hipcrit...geezze vote the guy out of office...sleezy slime ball...
Boo
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living with pain is not living at all.  Boo
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quincy
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This article makes me laugh and cringe. What a moron!! Just because his rich, spoiled daughter got caught with her pants down, we all have to "be saved from ourselves."
Oh no, the government is afraid that I might try to get 5 extra Vicodens for my chronic pain. I really don't see what the big hoopla is over prescription drugs lately. The government should be worried about the cost of prescription drugs and look at how many people can't afford them; not trying to track down a few addicts out of a whole bunch of legitimately ill people!
If I need another reason to hate the Bushs', I have one now. Who in their right mind voted for these people?? Also I wonder what the medical community in Florida thinks of this. You know, its the government agencies like the DEA that turn doctors into uncompassionate, paranoid individuals when it comes to "DRUGS". I can't even get a refill on the 20 Percosets for a really painful kidney stone!! My doctor said that after a week of treatment with the percs, "the risk of addiction is too great." Where do they learn that stuff?? I guess I am supposed to waste valuable time and money going to the ER when I have another episode. I mean I still have the stone and it gets painful at random times. I don't understand the logic of this at all. I want the Government to stay out of my medicine cabinet!!
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Billyl
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All pharmacies that are located in Florida will be on this database. What makes you think On-line pharmacies would be exempt? Take care. Billylll
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zorg
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Everyone, please focus your attention on the system as a whole if you want to battle this. The war on drugs is completely bi-partisan, and voting on party lines will do nothing to rectify the situation. It's going to take thought much deeper than partisan divide to figure this out. Please, the divisiveness is hurting us all. Be independent.
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charismah
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I wish we did not have Democrats vs. Republicans. It just really seems to cause the blame game to be on one party or the other. We really need to look at the men/women in government and not their parties. I think Bush needs to clean his own house before worrying about monitoring systems or more big brother.
I do remember one of George Bush's campaign promises as being less big government and to give more control to the people. What happened to that? It seems after they get elected they almost always forget what they promise.
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zorg
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Haha, the 2000 impasse, a shining star of unity.
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cherokeereb
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Just wondering... What if they do initate this database. Someone has script for hydro for a chronic pain issue then goes to dentist and has work done and gets another script for same or similar med, what will happen to this poor soul? Will they be blacklisted ot cops come to their door? It is bound to happen quite a bit. Just a thought
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quincy
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It looks like if someone has two scripts from two different doctors for two different illnesses, then they will be held accountable as to why they were double dipping. I would think that if someone gets a broken arm and gets some hydro from the ER, then a week later has an infected tooth and get some more hydro, then they might get called on it, but not get in trouble.
However if a patient gets 120 methadone from doc A, then goes across town and gets 90 Oxycontins from doc B then they might possible get busted. Hopefully the system they are trying to implement will focus on cases like this rather than minor incidents of unintentional double dipping. But with the Bush Administration, who knows!!
Sorry, I can't help it when I get a chance to bash Bush and his Crew.
Sarah
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charismah
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Your dentist or other doc should ask what medications you are currently using. If you tell the truth then the other doc should not prescribe something similar. If he/she does then you are in the clear and it would be on the doc. If you did not tell the truth, then it would probably be your fault for not disclosing your meds.
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zorg
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Don't forget to bash the other "side"
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Anonymous
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Understand your perspective, but Dems are so pathetic at this point why even bother? I registered libertarian, just to let Repugs know that I might agree with some of their "small government" policies, but their social policies are strictly middle ages. Frankly, I think Bu$h Repugs are socialists -- they believe in socialism for the corporate rich (check out Cheney's Haliburton history) and free enterprise for the poor and middle-class.
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Daycamp72
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Let's not trash anyone or their families here. We all have our political opinions. Most of us gave up a LONG time ago even IMAGINING that our private physicians would prescribe what we need to manage our physical pain. I believe my last trip to my physician's office for a pain/injury issue resulted in a script for a steroid and one for (drum roll.......) Vicodin 5/550! EIGHT of those boys. Strong medicine.
Our issue, fellow DBers, is exactly what Billylll said. This "LAW" would affect us as much with the CVS down the street as it would with the on-line pharmacies.
Also, to "Ocean" - I happen to be a CONSERVATIVE Republican with pain issues!
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zorg
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Well put.
I salute your proactive push to stay objective! (proxied temporarily as it were).
Alignment wasn't so bad when tactics were based on propping your party up, not tearing the other one down. Now I think unwavering partisans that tear down are pathetic. The question now is, which will be first: Armed revolution, or dissolution of the U.S. Republic ?
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codyjohn
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gp, sempy, cp, horace:
nothing and i mean nothing! makes our blood run cold as , "this is for your own good" etc, etc, yb.
Johnson tried to number us in his terms and thank god for some senators that i dont usually agree with that faught and won against a very powerful president. This too is a step toward the same thing and it would be a time that we would become a one issue voter, "KEEP US FREE And UN_NUMBERED.. pleeazze!
the simple sounding "good" idea reaches far into the american soul and it is not endless. We defend or cry and die. "1984"
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quincy
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No, I guess this isn't the place for huge political argumenets. I just don't like anyone who does not know me or my situation to try to force his beliefs on me. I just have a problem with a group of people who for the most part have no idea what its like to have to suffer needlessly with out the medications they really need, trying to pass laws that will make it harder to get the medications we need. If the OP's go into that database, and it goes national, we are all screwed.
I just want them to focus on the real drug problem-like crack, heroin, ecstacy and all of the killer drugs. Just because some rich, spoiled politicians daughter cheated and got caught and some hillbillies abuse oxycontin then suddenly "prescription drugs" are THE DRUG problem of the country. That is not right and it is hurting legitimately sick people.
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Jewels2
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Well just color me HAPPY  The drug monitoring program was "shot down" for now. Looks like ole Jeb didn't get his way 
Jewels2
Here is the article:
Florida Legislature Sets Prescription Tracking Program Aside
By Lindsay F. Wiley [Bio]
May 11, 2003 - Proposed prescription tracking legislation died in the final moments of the Florida legislative session earlier this month, leaving in question the future of the program and of the $2 million that Purdue Pharma has pledged toward funding it.
The bill would have created a program to track prescriptions for Schedule II, III and IV medications, which include many pain and psychiatric drugs. Supporters say a tracking program would prevent prescription drug overdose deaths, but others have expressed concern that allowing investigators to track doctors prescribing practices so easily would have a chilling effect on legitimate medical treatment. In the last moments of the Senate session, opponents tacked on several unrelated amendments, dooming passage of the bill.
Purdue Pharma, the Connecticut-based manufacturer of OxyContin, pledged $2 million toward financing a tracking program last year as part of an agreement with the Florida Attorney Generals office to end an investigation into the companys marketing practices. Under the terms of the settlement agreement, if the state has not enacted legislation to create the tracking program by July 1, 2004, Purdue Pharmas pledge of $2 million will be withdrawn. If that happens, the companys obligation will be limited to a $500,000 pledge toward drug abuse education.
This is the second year that Florida legislators have considered and declined to pass legislation on the program. The Orlando Sentinel Tribune reports that the bills sponsors hope that Governor Bush will ask the legislature to reconsider it in a special session.
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