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piper877
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Drug test and OP's
      #197795 - 11/02/04 12:44 PM

Does anyone know if you get drug tested and you test positive for a substance that you obtained from an internet pharmacy, can you show that bottle of pills and have it count as being legit? I mean if I test positive for hydrocodone and I have a prescription from an online pharmacy do they ignore the positive test for hydro? Same thing with Xanax.

Thanks for your help.


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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: piper877]
      #197893 - 11/02/04 09:41 PM

I tnink it depends on the employer. I have read here on this board and other boards, that it considered legal, but someone's employer did had issues with the state that it was issued, in regards to the legality of online pharms(they were aware of online pharms)
If the script/bottle is current I would believe it would be considered legit, as long as your name/doctor's name/name of pharm on the bottle.

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: piper877]
      #197908 - 11/03/04 02:17 AM

I second that: It really depends -

I had a Probation Officer and told him about being able to order scripts on the internet. He kinda looked around (making sure no other PO had heard me) and just said something along the lines that it was "still a doctor" and was ok. Although, I do keep waiting for the question, "Is this doctor local?" - So far, I've not had that yet and it's been many years.

It's still in that grey area of the law I believe, in regards to drug tests.


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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: piper877]
      #197932 - 11/03/04 07:06 AM

Your employer has to go by the law..and op's are not illegal...YET

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: CARLITOS_WAY]
      #198891 - 11/08/04 10:15 AM

I have a question also.
Does anyone know the cutoff to the Samhsa drug test?

For example, if I take 3 Hydro 10/325 mgs today and am tested tomorrow, will I test positive for opiates? Does anyone know??

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: Julz]
      #199053 - 11/09/04 05:01 AM

I don't know what the Samhsa drug test is. Someone want to clue me in. But 14%-16% of the active ingredients (hydrocodone bitrate) is in the blood system after 24hr with a 10mg dose.

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: CARLITOS_WAY]
      #199055 - 11/09/04 05:13 AM

Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Association (SAMHSA) I got it!

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: Julz]
      #199104 - 11/09/04 10:08 AM

Quote:

I have a question also.
Does anyone know the cutoff to the Samhsa drug test?

For example, if I take 3 Hydro 10/325 mgs today and am tested tomorrow, will I test positive for opiates? Does anyone know??

Curious,
Julz




If you wait the full 24 hours, it won't show up... otherwise it will come up. If you get drug tested, you are better off telling the truth so it doesn't come back to haunt you later on in the future. As long as you have a legit prescription, their is no issue. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.


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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: hello889]
      #199240 - 11/09/04 08:57 PM

It also depands on your employer. If you are non union they can fire you for having a clean urine, or, if they really want to fire you they can just fire you for not liking the color of your socks! Got it. If your not in a union or any specific laws in your state to protect you they can and do fire anybody they want, for what ever reason they want, and some places they don't need a reason. Especially when it's a pre employment test. Most states do not require a company to check and see if it is indeed a valid rx since you are not an employee yet.

It all depends on a lot of diffirent things. If you have a valid rx and you don't tell your boss you are using it. That can even get you fired. Most places have some kind of policy that states you need to tell them what your taking or if you are taking something that could impair your ability to do your job. And that usually also referrs to any OTC product.

At my job I have a CDL which means I must submit to Federally Mandated random drug and alcohol tests as per DOT. I'm in a strange kind of way lucky (not really). Because when I take a drug test it has to be done at a certified lab, with fedaral standards for every thing from the way they start the test until it's sent to a lab and checked. What's kinnda funny to is that if some how the MRO finds codiene or morphine and not heroin in my test. When he calls me up and I for whatever reason tell him I tested positive because I stoled someones vicodin, oxy, valium, or even xanax. Federal law prohibits him from telling my employer about using those drugs illegally, since under Federal law he is not testing for those drugs. Now thats the most insane thing I have every heard. But that is what the law says. Federal law for CDL holders also requires that the lab is prohibited from doing any other tests before they can do the CDL holders test, making it less likely to be contaminated from other samples. And believe me that is a good thing, because most employers only do pre employment drug testing so they can get either Federal or State funding, tax breaks, Insurance discounts (alot for insurance), or something else the goverment will either give or.... mostly Withhold...Like the way the federal goverment was able to raise the min. drinking age to 21. They where able to do that by telling all the states that if they don't raise the age to 21 then they would not recieve any highway funding.

So you can usually figure it's in the employers best intrest to drug test you....And the really F*#%ED UP thing is (not to mention your fourth and fith amendment rights about unlawfull searchs, and self incrimanation, and forget about your right of being innocent till proven guilty because with a drug test YOUR ARE GUILTY untill you prove otherwise, and god knows how much money) but most employers are going to do the cheapest drug test available to them. Why would they want to pay more money for something they don't need?? They wouldn't be in the game very long if thier always throwing money away.... All those cheapo tests are F...ing garbage. Some with false positives as high as 30%!!!!!!!!! Thats 3 people out of every 10 who can lose thier jobs for failing a drug test, and they don't even do drugs! Because most places aren't going to say " Would you like to come in and take another [censored] test on our dime, because the other one we gave you showed that you are on drugs, but we really think your not a drug addict" YEA RIGHT!

The drug tests I have to take run somewhere around $200 a pop and the labs testing the samples claim to have around a 98%-99% accuracy. Even that good of acurate tests (and that's assuming the entire chain of events is followed 100% accurate, but people do make mistakes)will still label aprox. 10,000 to 20,000 peolpe out of every million as a drug addict and ruin thier carrers, family, and life. But who gives a dam about them they use drugs, they shoudn't have any rights anyway.....That's their thinking! The cheap ones alot of places use maybe $20-$30 each and thats probally pushing it.

Sorry to post so much, but I could go on for days about this sick practice our country does to it's people.

Bottom line is YOU and EVERYONE should find out as much as you can about your companys rules and policies on drugs in the work place. And your state laws about them. So you can be well informed. The ACLU is a great place to be a member of and a wealth of information for your rights on drug tests. They have helped people in the past because of drug tests. They are also fighting for all of your childrens personal liberties by keeping drug tests out of elementry and middle schools. So the parent can be the parent and not the childs school.

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: mattglv]
      #207293 - 12/13/04 04:40 AM

Wow.. this is very good info. I know I have been asking this same exact question for months on other OP sites with no responces so far.

Where I live it's just crazy. I know of a guy that took his pre-employment drug test while he was stoned out of his mind, and had taken many other narcotics the previous week. They did one of the cheapo instant strip tests... He went to work the very next day! (PASSED!) On the other hand, we have places that do random hair testing.... while some others search everyone for fake urine before tests. It really does vary from being extremely strict to being "looking the other way as the water is runing" (some just want the tax break it seems)

But, I have yet to hear of a single case where a person showed their OP scipt for a positive test result. I would be most interested in the legal outcome.

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: DigitFreedom]
      #207983 - 12/15/04 07:46 PM

I'm extreamly afriad of those hair tests. I haven't seen a good amount of research for hair testing. I've heared that they are still a little exspensive for most places to justify doing because their isn't really any standards in place to tell any employers that they have to do a hair test instead. But I belive our Big Brother is working on that, so we can all be tasted the same way and not give someone else's urine or change it's structure......But the bad thing is.....that old story about "second hand smoke" will really be true but this time it won't just be pot (crack, pcp, or god knows what else) any smoke,fumes, or chemicals by your hair. Or on your way to work one day you touch something like a door (you open how many doors a day?), or hand rail that you have no idea who touched it last. Then later on that day your head starts to itch..AND BAM!! Now you've got that in your hair and your boss also decides to give you a drug test that same day....
Your F....d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: DigitFreedom]
      #208006 - 12/15/04 09:42 PM

On the OP rx. In my Personal Opinion. From everything I have ever read, heard, or seen. My Pesonal and Truthful answer and THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION WHICH IS NOT BASED ON 100% CERTAINTY, BUT ON WHAT SEEMS TRUE AND PROBABLE TO ONLY ME. I am not a lawyer nor have I read every US state and federal law.

My opinion is: Why in the world would I tell my employer or anybody for that matter, that if they gave me a drug test, if I then failed the test and presuming the doctor calls me and says he needs to see a valid rx. Why would I tell him that the rx was from a pharmacy I found online or from a place that I send records into???? And not from a brick and mortar office, then take that script to walgreens to fill???

If I have a rx bottle with my name on it and the pharmacies name and number on that same bottle why is the RX UPS gave me any different from the one at wallgreens, that is also delivered by UPS??

When u get a script filled at the grocery store, do you tell your boss or any one else it's a "Prescription from Johnny's Pharmacy, because I went to the Dr. at 1234 South Las Vegas Blvd. Las Vegas, NV 89129 and the Dr thought it was resonable and prudent to use this medication for my current medical condition." I'm guessing probaly not.

If asked by someone if I have a rx for this or that. I tell them yes I do. If I do indeed have one. Or no if I don't have one. I don't say : "Yes I have a rx but I'm not sure if it's legal or not. So would you please contact a lawyer or judge to find out if it's in fact legal or if it's more of a grey area, and if it's a grey area would you like to just fire me, because you don't approve of the way I manage my health by talking to a doctor on the phone that has seen my medical records and also has the same education and credentals as the doctor across the street."

When I go to my local Dr, I have never asked about thier education or training. And I'm sure most people don't.
How do you know that the doctor you just called in the yellow pages is an acctual doctor, and not someone who paid the phone company money to advertise in thier yellow pages.
I know that in my state if your a contracter and you advertise in the newspaper you have to include your buisness license #. But does the newspaper verify they do indeed have a #, and that it's not a made up one? And also how easy is it to get a buisness license? Do you need expereince in the that field? Or can you just start the company up and say you are going to have people that are trained in that field work at your company?

All I'm saying is that if you have a bottle w/your name, the parmacy name & # on that bottle. Why would that be an issue.
You spoke w/the dr. or dr's asst. and they decided to write you a script for your condition. Why is this a problem? Is thier any laws forbiding people to get a presription in a city they don't live in? Or a law that says if you live at XY and get a rx at YZ, then come back to XY, you can only use that rx when you are in YZ.
If your getting a new job, or live in a state that has an "at will employment" policy. I wouldn't take any prescription at all. Because if you fail or pass the drug test they can decide to not hire you, or fire you. They may think that since your on medication for back pain. That you are more likely to get re-injuried. And they are not going to hire someone thats more likely to get injured then someone who doesn't have a bad back.
Having back problems is one of the biggest claims for workers comp. If more employees get injured the company is going to pay more money, bottom line. Companies do not want to hire someone with a bad back if they don't have to. Or a drug addict.

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: mattglv]
      #208007 - 12/15/04 09:50 PM

I am a nurse and take many drug tets and take hydro . I have no problem as I just show my bottle. They don't care or probably read what state it is from as I could have been out of state the day i got in pain and had to see the doc. they can't fire you for being in florida so state should be no issue. The only issue is if it is a illegal substance and that is what they are usually looking for unless it is workmans comp who if resulting in an accident or claim does care what you are taking legal or not if they can say that was a contributing factor to your accident and get out of paying! lol!

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: effie1]
      #208018 - 12/15/04 11:10 PM

I am impressed and really agree that people in this country need to stop the judgementalness in the lack of appreciation of our rights as citizens of this wonderful country. A century ago, doctors were thought of as hacks, not many with proper credentials, etc. and the citizens could purchase many drugs at the pharmacy without a prescription. Dr. Freud was an advocate for cocaine use. Herion and opium were used in literary cicles including the works of Edgar Allen Poe and Robert Browning, and Music circles in the 20's till now (and b4). Even the first president of the United States, grew canibis sativa, or hemp, for maritime ropes. The problem with drug testing is that it is an illeagal search and seizure and does not prove anything-ie. that an applicant uses drugs on the job, and what business is it of your employer to be concerned with what you do off the clock. If the government is giving incentives to corporations in the form of tax breaks, this is clearly illegal and against the constituion. Yes people use drugs. Hell, CVS and Walgreens are putting a drug store on every major street corner adjacent from each other. Its big business. Count the drug adds on prime time TV. It's sickening. Back to drug tests: take THC for instance. It has been reported that this drug can remain in your system for 3 to 6 weeks. Does this prove that the applicant or testee is using the drug on the job? And we are drug testing janitors? An airline pilot or ATC (air traffic controller) I can understand, for I would not want someone stoned flying my plane, but what that pilot does on his/her off time is his/her business. To the trained eye, it is obvious when someone is impaired and I am for those types of tests to be administered to professions where a person cannot be impaired under a substance while perfoming that duty/task, but I am not too worried about someone mopping a floor and being high, or using a pharmeceutical to relieve the pain of back breaking work. This unreasonable policing of other peoples' behaviors' has got to stop! We have accepted that people need releases from life; somtimes just to get in the spirit of things and escape for a while. Some people need to feel free from the pain and agony of many disorders. This does not make one a loser. The stigmatisms associated with these behaviors is judgemental and not Christ like behavior, yet we call them moral judgements, and feel self rightious about picking on the smoker, the alcoholic, the drug addict, the disabled, for we think it rationalizes our behaviors and elevates us to some level, when we are all in bondage to something-some habits may be less destructive than others or take longer for the effects to set in, but lest we forget that over eating, working out, etc. can also become addictions. Why should alcohol, caffine, tobacco, be the only releases offered to people and why do we demonize everyone b/c of their habits or their needs as if we are all doctors, pschologists, and pharm. Think about this the next time we lie about our habit; we judge someone for their habit; we allow a lawyer, judge, legislator determine what is medically acceptable for us instead of those we deem professionals choose what we put into our bodies. I hope a happy holiday to all, and a little less persecution for the New Year!

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: happiness]
      #208125 - 12/16/04 09:45 AM

Very well said!!!! It is just sad that we are so quick to judge others when realistically it takes everthing most people have to take care of themselves!! I think a lot of times people are so quick to judge others because they would rather do that than take a good hard look at themselves.

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: happiness]
      #208130 - 12/16/04 10:10 AM

No, there's nothing unconstitutional about a VOLUNTARY drug test. Read the consent form you signed. You consented.

If you took a job where you CONSENTED to random drug testing, it was your choice. You could have looked elsewhere for another job. You could take some classes and get other kind of work. It's your choice. Or ... you could move to California where the state protects you.

Unless you're involved in an accident and you have a DOT CDL, Coast Guard or FAA pilot's license, or are a trainman ... where a judge can ORDER an involuntary test, your drug test is entirely voluntary. I've turned down job offers because a drug test was required. That was my choice.

The last resort is to be self-employed. It would be silly to make yourself take a drug test if you worked for yourself, wouldn't it? You could deduct the cost on Schedule C, but it would still be silly, right? If you think you can't find income without taking a drug test and it's a problem for you, then you probably need to improve your education or learn a new skill. Every year millions of people leave the corporate treadmill and become self-employed. Check out your local community college and get some free or cheap job training.

If more people simply refused drug tests instead of giving them fake urine or using an adulterant, probably fewer employers would do it. Hint. Look for the smaller employers, not the mega-corporations. Drug tests cost money and many smaller companies won't want to pay for them.


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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: Trampy]
      #208161 - 12/16/04 12:04 PM

I agree test may be voluntary, but are they truly voluntary when you can refuse the test but consequences will follow? Sounds more like coercion than a request, and the word voluntary is misused. I have not personally taken any tests of this nature for employment, but I do not advocate legislation that encourages any corporation to violate our citizens Civil Rights by giving incentives to corporations who use this kind of testing. This sounds like legislation created to push a moral agenda that works around our fourth amendment rights, to "unreasonable" searches and seizures. I ask again, is it reasonable to take a test that does not prove someone is actually using a drug while at work? Should it be lawful for a corporation to have knowledge of what medication you are on when that information is privledged between a doctor and patient? Is this reasonable? We can trust our physicians, and lawyers, for they can lose their jobs for violation of this priviledge, but if a coworker finds out you are taking Valtrex and tells others in the office you have herpes, what happens to them and that person? The damage is done, and the stigmatism is there! Although this is purely hypothetical and I am aware that most drug tests do not check for use of this drug, they do check for OTC sudafedrine which one may have a cold and not get a job b/c an employer thinks they are a meth. user. The test must be valid to the application, and there are many instances where the tests are invalid. I remember two airline pilots losing their licenses for spiking their coffee with alcohol while flying a commercial airplane, recently. It was not a drug test, but their attitude that revealed their inappropriate use of a legal drug while on the job, when they alerted suspicion with the NTSB personnel at the baggage check. I insert this to show that there are many valid ways that people's behavior can be checked, and will be checked, when it may endanger others. And also, who knows how long they had actually been flying the airliner prior to this, in a possible impaired state, yet a drug test failed to prevent this? Let's also consider that many of us will consume alcohol on the job, at our company Christmas parties, or to toast a big contract or business negotiation. This brings me to the question as to why we have become so uptight about peoples' personal self regarding behaviors off and on the clock, and why we allow government to tell us what we can and cannot put in our bodies? And why is the government allowed to encourage a test that is invalid and is in violation of our fourth amendment right? If this is not of importance, then why did the founding fathers list it in the original ten amendments? I find the hipocracy of this issue and the moral condemnation the focus of these tests and a truly unfair way of routing out the best applicant for a position based on an invalid test. Sure you can tell your future employer you have migraines and that's why you tested positive for opiates. And yes, you can reveal to your employer that you had the flu and are not a meth. addict. The question is, will you be given that chance when someone is trying to select the best applicant over many who have applied, and here is a way to elimanate some extra work? Knowing human nature, I think probably not.

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: Trampy]
      #208215 - 12/16/04 03:56 PM

I've taken jobs that required urine screens and I take schedule II drugs...never had to deal with the OP issue, but hell, I'd just tell them I was on vacation in florida and ended up in urgent care....where they issued my script...why give out more info than you need.
But I agree with Trampy...smaller companies rarely ask for urine screens, and in my honest opinion after working for huge hospitals and the phone company...I like working for a small company LOT's better...less red tape all around in your day to day life, I've found.
I agree...it is something you do have control over...you just have to make choices...and that's what life is all about.
I have to have my urine screened when I see my PM doc...but I choose to do so...if I didn't want to I don't have to see him....it's all choices...just think carefully about the work environment you want to be in....having to submit urine speaks LARGELY to the corporate environment your entering!


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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: happiness]
      #208217 - 12/16/04 04:00 PM

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" Although this is purely hypothetical and I am aware that most drug tests do not check for use of this drug, they do check for OTC sudafedrine which one may have a cold and not get a job b/c an employer thinks they are a meth. user.
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actually the employer is required to do a second more sensitiive test to differentiate between sudafrine and meth...so this is a non-issue...they have to do it at my PM doc every time I test as I always come up positive....it comes out in the second more sensitive test that I'm merely taking sudafed

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: IMSUSCOT1]
      #208587 - 12/18/04 02:15 AM

In 1971 Richard Nixon called drugs
"the modern curse of youth"

And to solve this "modern curse of youth" he fought it the best way to fight something. He did what anyone in his position would do. Democrat or Republican it doesn't matter. People do it all the time. All you need to do is put a three letter word in front of any problem and it starts to look like a huge problem. A problem that's so big so out of control. It must be fought until the end.

Well how do you fix this problem? You fight it. You use every single resource you can. You do what ever you need to do to fix this so-called "curse". Well you just need a way to get everybody behind you. A way people will want to help you and a way for everyone to stand behind one another, a bond, something that every person can in some way or another come together and help one another. And maybe not eveyone, but most people deep down really do believe thier is a problem or "curse". Nobody wants to live a bad society or have to worry if thier loved ones might be hurt. It might have just been a way to show his tough stand on crime.

Nixon didn't really start it. It started over time, but it was not nearly anything that it was made out to be. When he put that word in front of it. That changed everything. It was now something else. Something that had to be put in check. At any cost.
You were told "your either for them or against them." "If you are for them. Your part of the problem." And your going to prison. That what the papers were saying. Everyone was saying it at the time. Does that make it true? This is a war. In a war like this. There are no rules. You have to make the rules as you as go. If you wait to make rules for this your not gonna win. Nobody wants to lose a $17.9 Billon a year and growing War.

Today in 2004 it's costing every single one of us on this board and also all over the U.S. aprox $600 a second. And that's only the cost in monetary value. I personaly don't think we will ever even be able to put a price on the innocent lives murdered. We can stop it!

Nixon launched the most trajic war this country would ever see on it's own willing people :


"The War on Drugs"



It doesn't matter why he did it anymore. What matters is TODAY and it's still going to destroy innocent people and thier families tommorow. Rape U.S. citizens of rights granted once to all of us. Rights that were once so important. Rights that needed to be written in to law, so they couldn't be changed and a judge would not later be able to say: they think this is what it means. Think? It's written. What is there to think about. Rights that made people, average people, everyone who wanted just a few things. Rights that were once so important. We made a choice. A choice to die for. We went to war and died. So later others wouldn't have to do the same. They wouldn't even have to think about making a choice.

But the problem is every day they take just a litte. But once you give them a little they want more. Whats a little more? We already forgot about the little bit that was taken away awhile ago. So this time it's only a little bit and we don't notice it again. And again. And again. Pretty soon you don't have anything. Does that matter? Because you get used to not having much. And when not very much isn't that much, it's hard to say if you really even had something to be taken away to begin with. How will you know when to much is......to much?

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: mattglv]
      #208593 - 12/18/04 03:05 AM

Click Here www.csdp.org Some good info about pain treating doctors and the goverments that police them. if anybody wants to find a little info?


Just be glad you didn't have any stock in coke or H in the 90's.

1991 to 1998

-Wholesale price for a gram of cocaine fell from $68.08 - $44.30

-Price of a gram of heroin fell by $549.28

That's from the DEA.
Maybe with good promo's and prime time viewing they will be able to air thier hotline for shaddy look'in OP's to report and that will help drop the price of rx's.
But, the pharmacys will probally just jack up the shipping if that happens.

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: Trampy]
      #208663 - 12/18/04 12:39 PM

Vernonia v. Acton


1995 Oregon Supreme Court upheld SUSPICIONLESS drug testing for student athletes.

The parents of the this refused to sign the consent form for the testing of drugs.
Then brought suit against the school dist. in order for thier 7th grade son to be able to play football.

What do you tell your child? Do you make the choice for him? Allow him to play sports. And also at the time, get him used to urinating in a cup if wants to continue playing? The child would probally want to play. If you let him, he will also learn at an early age, that here in the US when it comes to drugs. You are guilty until you prove your innocet.

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: mattglv]
      #208712 - 12/18/04 08:19 PM

It helps to get a small prescription for hydro from your dentist. Even if it's only 4-5.
Keep the bottle,if you get tested..refer to the toothache you had last night, show the bottle.


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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: cascadia]
      #208874 - 12/20/04 12:00 AM

Quote:

It helps to get a small prescription for hydro from your dentist. Even if it's only 4-5.
Keep the bottle,if you get tested..refer to the toothache you had last night, show the bottle.




I think that idea makes a lot of sence. As long as the script from the dentist/doctor is less than a year old, I think that would seem within the law (but, Im no lawer).

The problem I have with just showing the bottle from an OP is that SOME bottles have the actual OP's Business and/or Domain Name proudly printed on the bottle! I can see some serious questions quickly emerging about one's "trip to Florida" when the bottle displays the URL address to the site right above the pharmacy's name and phone #.

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: DigitFreedom]
      #209604 - 12/22/04 05:55 PM

Are the amounts of the drugs in question tested or do they just check for a simple positive or negative result for a pre-employment screening?

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: maxigroove]
      #209610 - 12/22/04 06:24 PM

Quote:

Are the amounts of the drugs in question tested or do they just check for a simple positive or negative result for a pre-employment screening?




Regards to a typical U.S. pre-employment drug screen:

To the best of my knowledge, there is a cut off level for all popular drugs tested for, even THC. Thus, it is very possible to detect a drug, yet be at a level within "tolerance" (' lack of better word). A negative test result would be such an outcome.

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: DigitFreedom]
      #209613 - 12/22/04 06:40 PM

I don't think I understand your answer. Basically, I am asking if a screening will indicate if an employee took 10mg of a drug vs. 1000mg. Specifically, I am referring urine test.

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: maxigroove]
      #209620 - 12/22/04 07:07 PM

Oops! ' sorry for the confusing.

No, a urine test can not show how much of a drug was consumed; it only shows positive or negative.

A hair test would come closer to showing how much of a drug was consumed, however neither hair nor urine tests can acuretly report the exact amount of a drug used. Keep in mind there are many variables in these tests, such as: diluted urine, body metabolism, age, weight* (a major one) and even gender & race can be important factors. They can draw conclusions as to the approximant amount of drug(s) consumed, but not with any certainty.

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: DigitFreedom]
      #209999 - 12/24/04 02:52 PM

Thanks so much for that info. I never knew that and had always wondered.

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Re: Drug test and OP's [Re: dman22]
      #210657 - 12/28/04 05:57 PM

CDL standards for a positive test are around 15ng for THC, 2000ng for opiates.... I forget exactly how much a ng is but I believe it's something like one millionth of a gram.

Then if the urine has more ng's than the cut-off level for that substance it's considerd a positive. It's clean if the levels are below the amount for a substance......That's the federal standard for CDL holders.

I think you would have to have a blood test done to determine the aprox. amount of a substance that was consumed by the person being tested. A blood test would tell a doctor how much of a drug is active at the time the test was given...Then they would need to give you a x amount of that same substance, wait, and then do another test so they could find out how much of that same substance is still in your body after x amount of time. But like DigitFreedom said thier are so many things that can change equation.

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