Luca_Brasi
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I'm a bit too nervous to order Oxy form over-seas. I know that most folks who use IOP's will get a letter every now and then if their package gets seized, but what if it's a Schedule 1 or 2? You would think that their would be much higher consequences. Anyone have any knowledge on this subject? Thanks kindly.
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neatjs
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I am not sure but I don't think anyone here talks about it because it cannot be done. In otherwords I think it is very unlikely you will find a reliable source for importing this product. Someone with more experience will get you an answer. I would be afraid of re-importing this product.
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sam001
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I'm a bit too nervous to order Oxy form over-seas. I know that most folks who use IOP's will get a letter every now and then if their package gets seized, but what if it's a Schedule 1 or 2? You would think that their would be much higher consequences. Anyone have any knowledge on this subject? Thanks kindly.
Just to clarify, schedule I are drugs such as heroin. Oxy is schedule II.
Just and FYI.
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AngelWolf13
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i don't think you understand the schedule classifications. anything that is a sch.I drug in the u.s. is illegal . that includes drugs such as heroin, lsd, ludes, ice, etc. sch.II drugs are legal but very difficult to obtain anywhere. personally, i wouldn't trust any iop that claimed to sell drugs in this class (besides ritalin, i've heard of several iops that sell this). if i am wrong, anyone, please let me know, even if it's through pm.
here is a brief description of schedules from http://ehs55.ehs.uci.edu/formproc/controlprimer/controlprimer.jsp
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General descriptions of controlled substances:
Schedule I: No accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Examples: Heroin, LSD, and Marijuana.
Schedule II: High potential for abuse with severe psychic or physical dependence liability. Examples: Opium, hydromorphone, cocaine, pentobarbital.
Schedule III: High potential for abuse (but less than I or II) and include compounds containing limited quantities of certain narcotics and other non-narcotic drugs. Examples: Acetaminophen with codeine, ASA with hydrocodone, etc.
Schedule IV: Have less abuse potential. Examples: Chloral hydrate, phenobarbiatal, diazepam, etc.
Schedule V: Have abuse potential (less than IV) and primarily are preparation containing limited quantities of other controlled substances. Examples: Antitussives, antidiarrheal compounds.
hope this helps....
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Luca_Brasi
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Just wondering how agencies respond to seizure of a I or II, in comparison to III, IV, and V. I'm sure it depends some-what on the quanity. And I'm sure that a Sched. I would bring big trouble.
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bhamdave
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They handle it with:
Knock on door, handcuffs and chains.
Yes there is a risk that they will pay you a visit if caught ordering sch. I and II drugs.
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Lablady2
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After getting seizure letter for ordering Valium - a relatively "harmless" drug compared to Oxy - I sure would NOT chance it. I really don't think "they" are fooling around now - big crackdown on OP's and IOP's and seizures are happening with ever greater frequency.
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lassie
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This won't answer your question either, but IMHO, severity of legal action is all about the quantity. If it is a large enough seizure, then they will want to come find you. But to throw you in the slammer they would have to seize your computer, find the order info on it to show premeditation (otherwise it could be someone using your ID. I'm also assuming that it's not being mailed direct to your home.), I'm no attorney and I don't play on on TV. So this is just speculation. I'm sure there are more informed people on the board. There always are 
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infliksta
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i uderstand your question and have no idea what would happen they would have to prove you even ordered it anyone could of sent it to a random address and had plans to intercept it and so on there would be lots of variables to account for that dea LE etc.. would have to prove and would need posession don't think a a judge is willing to write a warrent for 20 to 60 pills maybe 100 or more different story but i could be wrong. think they would watch you before they swooped in. hell i'm willing to try do you have reliable source, hook it up.
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neatjs
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I think this comes down to "chance". I don't think anyone can guarantee anything here. "Chance" do you want to take the "chance". I wouldn't.
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Luca_Brasi
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Yeah. I don't wanna take a chance like that.
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penny67
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sched.1 you do time.sched 2 depends on the amount you try to get.i watched a episode of cops awhile back on the feds working with postal and local police to bust people recieving drugs.they busted one couple for recieving several hundred morphine pills but they set it up so it would be brought out by postman and had to get signature for release and the others were people buying xstacy and coke from outside and inside the us and getting it sent through the po and ups.
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Luca_Brasi
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Exactly. They would need to:
#1 find it.
#2 decide if it's enough to bother with.
#3 trace it to you.
#4 put together a task force.
#5 prove you ordered/requested it.
#6 make sure you have possession of it.
Then they could bust you. However, I don't think too many people would be dumb enough to have such things sent to their own home, let alone sign for such a delivery. Just MHO.
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harley88
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Luca_Brasi,I think they would have to do one more thing and thats to prove a person had imported a class II med illegaly .Just from other posts I have read they usally just send a customs notice for small orders .
I have been wondering the same thing my self also and would be interested if anyone had any personal experience in getting "love letter" for a class II med.
I still do not seem to be able to post the way I feel or interpet the law about this .May be someone else.
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penny67
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my ex had 1 letter sent but that was back several years ago.he had ordered a few morphine msir from south american iop and they were caught but nothing ever went past the ole love letter.whatever they seclare as trafficking would be a different story but if you pay with a cc there would be a large trail for you being convicted if they do come after you.most codine products that are pure with no apap such as perds are a class 2.
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jbone
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I would stay on the side of a postal inspector having you sign for the order and then you are busted. still the burden of proof lies on the prosecution. I would hope that the authorities would watch you first and determine if you were distributing the items or just using them for your own relief because most doctors don't have the guts to relieve people in pain and treat you like a criminal, after charging you several hundred dollars.
I would also think that the authorities would be going after the big-time importers of coke and heroin by the ton; but it is much safer to further you law-enfotcement career by busting a mostly law-abiding decent citizen than to try and tackle crazed heavily-armed drugged-up criminals who would rather shoot it out to the death.
then if you are sent up the river, you would be abused and used by hardened criminals and corrupt authorities, emerging a madman yourself and losing all hope of humanity.
what happened to the "Freedom" our forefathers fought for some 200 years ago? why is it perfectly legal to buy these products OTC in other countries and we have to pay big bucks and risk our futures to get the relief guaranteed us in the Constitution and the hypocritical oath?
Is it time for another revolution?
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Exactly. They would need to:
#1 find it.
#2 decide if it's enough to bother with.
#3 trace it to you.
#4 put together a task force.
#5 prove you ordered/requested it.
#6 make sure you have possession of it.
Then they could bust you. However, I don't think too many people would be dumb enough to have such things sent to their own home, let alone sign for such a delivery. Just MHO.
I think all that also depends on the size of town you live in. I think a someone in a smaller town woudl have higher chance of getting in trouble for sure b.c they have that's bigger deal there.
just adding my iopinon
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radiometer
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I am aware of a recent bust in the US; an email source was investigated for mailing out various Sched. I substances as well as other meds. I know of at least one person to whom a controlled delivery was made for just one vial of ketamine, which is Sched. IV, as part of the sting. So yes, it's certainly possible. All this discussion of how potentially difficult it would be to bust you is moot if the source is already being watched by LE.
I realize that a sketchy email source and an IOP are two different things, but I feel the warning still applies.
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Luca_Brasi
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I am aware of a recent bust in the US; an email source was investigated for mailing out various Sched. I substances as well as other meds. I know of at least one person to whom a controlled delivery was made for just one vial of ketamine, which is Sched. IV, as part of the sting. So yes, it's certainly possible. All this discussion of how potentially difficult it would be to bust you is moot if the source is already being watched by LE.
I realize that a sketchy email source and an IOP are two different things, but I feel the warning still applies.
CRX or Switch2004? Yeah.. they were somthin else, huh?
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emtp3
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It has always amazed me that the Gov't would spend thousands of dollars to convict someone that was importing small amount of meds for personal use, when that money could go to help stopping traffickers.
But the old saying goes you are breaking the law no matter how small the crime seems.
Go figure (LOL)
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What is LE? Sorry, I am a newbie????
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