angelique
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I am new to the whole computer world (I was born at the beginning of the '70s, that is sad). So I don't even know how to find out if anyone answered my question in the chat room a little while ago! But i'll ask it again. Does anyone have an idea of why 60mg of codine makes me feel drunk but 10 hydrocodone makes me feel like i'm on speed? No fuzzy, medicine head, and a lot of pain free energy.
Thank you.
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poppyale
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They hit different opoid receptors in the brain.
That could be the reason,but who knows,I guess every substance effects different people in different ways
Just my opinion.
Later Poppyale
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angelique
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My doctor said that codine is closer to morphine than hydro is, so that may account for the reaction, but it doesn't even take away my pain. It is frustrating, cause doc's seem more willing to give you T3's than hydrocodone. But his nurse told me the reason was because there is a sedative in the T3's that is not in Hydrocodone. I just wanted someone elses opinion.
Thank you....The newbie
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parg
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I think personally that codiene or T3's are better then hydro anyday of the week, if you can get some T4's then you'll be set, the nice thing is it doesn't have all the tylenol that hydro's.
Parg
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angelique
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But i did just have a prescription for T4's and for me they just made me really out of it and sleepy, and did not address the pain. Maybe the hydro's are better for me in that they make me not care if i'm hurting, (ha,ha).
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CARLITOS_WAY
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Hydrocone has a more sedative effect than codiene. T3's or T4's have 300mg APAP (tylenol). Norco or generic has 325 mg APAP and 10 mg of hydrocodone. Lortab 500 mg APAP with a variety of hydro strengths from 2.5 up to 10mg . Check a PDR . Your Dr. is using a phycological trip on you, just like a placebo. Telling you codiene is stonger than hydrocodone. If you think it... it may seem to work better.
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CATBOY2
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10MG OF HYDRO=50MG OF CODINE.HYDRO IS 5 TIMES AS STRONG AS CODINE.
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diggsbakes
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Yes, catboy is relatively correct regarding the ratio of comparison betwee Codiene Phosphate and Hydrocodone. It is about 5 to 1.
Regarding a previous post there is no sedating effects from Codiene Phosphate, these are two totally different chemical compounds that have different effects on everyone. (no one person's brain chemical composition and reactions are identical to another's)
However, to agree with a previous poster, Hydrocodone and Oxycodone both make me speedy, and Codiene Phosphate does not have that effect.
I do not not normally take pain meds, but I definately have a basis for comparison.
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JBRONCFAN
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My understanding is codeine takes a beating in the digestive tract, getting like 90% destroyed before the liver can convert it to morphine as opposed to hydro and oxy.
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parg
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the speedy feeling is the caffiene in the pill.
Parg...
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timberland
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My understanding is codeine takes a beating in the digestive tract, getting like 90% destroyed before the liver can convert it to morphine as opposed to hydro and oxy.
It's not THAT bad, and you can block some of it by drinking grapefruit juice beforehand. You're totally right about hydro and oxy - between 70-85% of it gets to you, after digestive system absorption and processing, which is very good.
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eelrm
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I still have some Tylenol 4's sitting around I bought from Buymeds a year ago. I can't stand the way codeine makes me feel-nauseaus, light headed (not in a good way). I just hate it, hate it, hate it!
I should toss it, but you know how that is... 
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angelique
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I don't know if I am to late to respond or not, but thank you for all the feedback, i am thrilled. I have been taking hydro for years, I just wanted to know why i had the different effects, now that i have this resourse (the computer and drugbuyers.com)
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tone
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just some interesting trivia
drugs that end in codone such as hydrocodone and oxycodone have a substitution on the codeine skeleton
drugs that end in morphone such as hydromorphone and oxymorphone have a substitution on the morphine skeleton
codeine is more absorbable orally than morphine, and as expected, the simi-synthetics of codeine ("codones")turned out to be more absorbable than the semi-synthetics of morphine ("morphones")
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excellence
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Hydro, I've heard, has an effect comparable to ecstasy (love feelings) plus cocaine (a high kinda similar to) plus marijuana (relaxation) Imagine taking the three of them at the same time and you get the idea what moderate doses of Hydro can do for you ...
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efffbeee
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horrible comparison imo
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excellence
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why
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DonBarba
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why
Because it's inaccurate.
you say
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Hydro, I've heard ,
Take some, then take your cocktail, then get back to us.
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tone
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excellent comparison. opioids have a side effect of being anxiety free loving stimulants.
the comparison is accurate in the sense that you are trying to say opioids are relaxed-stimulants that are warm and loving, but not like those 3 drugs of course.
however i think the moderators are getting a little annoyed with all the posts that dont exactly have to do with a medical condition or treatment....
getting back to the topic, id have to say most people would get more pain relief from hydrocodone than codeine, but if codeine works for them, it might work more time released because it has to metabolize
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sunflower29
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Codeine relieves my pain and while at first increasing my anxiety, eventually lowers it a little, but it leaves me feeling very despondent and worst of all, so distanced from everyone around me. Far from any sort of lovey dovey feelings, or any urge to connect. Quite the opposite. I feel impelled to break it off with my boyfriend because I'm convinced there's an unbridgeable distance between us. But I know it's the codeine, and I hate that feeling.
Won't be taking it unless my back pain gets really bad, and hopefully while I'm alone.
Also, it effects my co-ordination even though I'm not taking much and it's time released. Also makes my mind fuzzy. I'll take the benzo memory side-effects over codeine's side effects any day.
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tone
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as far as the mental "side effects", codeine is going to be more sedating than hydrocodone, oxycodone or tramadol. those three are more stimulating. i dislike codeine too
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astride
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the little old lady down the street where I live looks like she's stoned when on hydro ; maybe it's just my impression
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"- Could you expand on your answer -- I'm particularly interested in knowing, uh, was there always a buffer involved...
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Berkeley1999
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I think the difference is
You pass your wiz quiz if taking hydro
You fail the wiz quiz if you take codiene
Assuming of course the employer is using the standard 10 panel drug test. Costs can more than double if specialized panel of tests are requested since the 10 panel is has become the defacto standard. I have heard that last couple of years more and more employers are adding hydro and a few others to test even though costs are greater.
Funny thing is its reverse if you have a totally legit script and report it to employer as required for several jobs, the codiene has less stigma associated with it than hydro. I see really no difference but at the facility I work at, the medical director puts you on limited duty if medicating with hydro and actually encourages you to take sick days, but not with codiene, unless you are actively medicating during work hours, you are good. GO figure why that would be.
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