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Why is it so hard to get some prescription drugs in the needed quantities?
The main reason is that prescription drugs are being abused and diverted for recreational use. Law enforcement and regulators have a very good and valid reason for trying to control prescription drugs but their efforts are hurting patients and doctors.
The following articles will give you a good idea as to why it is so hard for legitimate patient to get the medication they need
The Village Voice Article: The DEA's War on Pain Doctors
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0345/owen.php
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The DEA's War on Pain Doctors
by Frank Owen
November 5 - 11, 2003
wenty-four years after Darlene broke her back in a swimming pool accident, crippling pain still rules every aspect of her life, from getting up in the morning (which she describes as akin to "climbing the highest mountain") to falling into a fitful sleep at night. After years of botched surgery that left her in even more agony, she knows there is no real cure for what ails her, but thanks to synthetic opioids (which include such regulated substances as Vicodin, Dilaudid, and the devil drug of the moment, OxyContin), she says that she can now lead a halfway normal life. Just folding sheets or washing dishes or sitting at the computer are daily miracles for Darlene, who claims she would otherwise be bedridden and suicidal without the chemical crutches that high doses of these powerful opium-like painkillers provide.
But in some ways worse than the pain, says Darlene (who doesn't want her last name revealed), are the shame and fear that come with it. Shame when she goes to have her special triplicate prescriptionrequired for all scheduled drugsfilled at the drugstore and the pharmacist looks at her as if she were some addict abusing the drug to get high. Fear that her medications will soon be taken away by the Drug Enforcement Administration's ongoing crackdown on pain doctors. "You worry every day that the medicine won't be available for much longer, or your doctor won't be there tomorrow because he's been arrested by the DEA," she claims. All the bad publicity in the press about the abuse of OxyContin by celebrities such as Rush Limbaugh and Courtney Love doesn't help matters. But, says Darlene, the media scare stories shouldn't blind people to the fact that these drugswhen taken under medical supervisionhave made life livable for hundreds of thousands of chronic pain patients, herself included.
Some in the medical community call it "a war on pain doctors," others "a government jihad" or "state-sponsored terrorism." However you describe the current campaign, which according to pain-patient advocates began under Janet Reno, but which they say has increased in intensity under John Ashcroft, the DEA's hardball tacticsstorming clinics in SWAT-style gear, ransacking offices, and hauling off doctors in handcuffshave scared physicians nationwide to the extent that legitimate pain sufferers now find it increasingly difficult to get the medicine they need. Doctors' offices today display signs that say "Don't ask for OxyContin" or "No OxyContin prescribed here." And medical schools advise students not to choose pain management as a career because the field is too fraught with potential legal dangers.
"The war on drugs has turned into a war on doctors and pain patients," says Dr. Ronald Myers, president of the American Pain Institute and a Baptist minister who operates a string of clinics for poor people in the Mississippi Delta. "Such is the climate of fear across the medical community that for every doctor who has his license yanked by the DEA, there are a hundred doctors scared to prescribe proper pain medication for fear of going to prison. The DEA is creating a situation where legitimate pain patients now have to go to the streets to get their medication. It's a health care catastrophe in the making." (Myers theorizes that Rush Limbaugh is probably "a neglected pain patient" and another victim of the crackdown: "Why else would someone with all his money have to go to the street to get enough medication, other than if he couldn't find a doctor to give him an adequate supply?")
Advocates for pain doctors and their patients have had enough. Limbaugh's recent admission that he's addicted to OxyContin and other painkillers has brought the issue of pain management and the law to the fore in the media. But the September arrest of northern Virginia's Dr. William Hurwitza respected if controversial pioneer in high-dosage pain treatmentgalvanized opposition among physicians and patients to the DEA's harsh approach. Hurwitz, a leading specialist in his field, was arrested on federal drug-trafficking charges, accused of prescribing excessive quantities of OxyContin to addicts who he knew were selling the drugs on the street. The 49-count indictment alleges that his prescribing practices led to the death of three patients and bodily harm to two others. Federal prosecutors have depicted Hurwitz, a contentious figure who has had his license suspended three times by medical boards, as no better than "a street-corner crack dealer . . . who dispensed misery and death." After initially being threatened with the death penalty, Hurwitz now faces life in prison.
But others defend the doctor. "Dr. Hurwitz saved my husband's life," says Siobhan Reynolds, founder of the Pain Relief Network, a New York City-based grassroots organization defending pain doctors and their patients. For over a decade, Reynolds's husband has suffered terrible head pain caused by a connective-tissue disorder. "Other doctors treated my husband like a leper. If it weren't for Dr. Hurwitz, he would have killed himself. Dr. Hurwitz is responsible for every day that my son has a father."
After the arrest, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons condemned the prosecution at a news conference held at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., saying that doctors who treat pain patients are heroes, not felons. A major protest on the National Mall is being organized by the National Pain Patients Coalition for next April to bring attention to what some experts regard as the No. 1 health issue in America: the under-treatment of chronic pain. And a push is on in various states to get politicians to pass bills guaranteeing patients' right to opioids to alleviate their suffering, if a doctor deems it necessary.
Many doctors used to think that extreme pain was something that their patients just had to live with. The pain-management movement that has sprung up over the past few years takes a radically different tack, believing that long-term chronic pain can be managed with large amounts of synthetic opium, a treatment that remains controversial both within and outside the medical community. The extremely high doses often prescribedsometimes dozens of pills a daycan seem dangerous and excessive to both laymen and other physicians. A number of doctors insist that these drugs are so powerful that no one should be prescribed them except end-stage cancer patients. But pain-management advocates argue that despite the scare stories, drugs such as OxyContin are actually safer than the alternatives and are much more effective.
The DEA denies there's been an increase in investigations and prosecutions of physicians and refutes the notion that it's engaged in a crackdown on pain doctors in general. The agency insists that it's after only rogue practitioners who overprescribe the medicines and who knowor should knowthat their patients are selling the drugs on the black market. So far this year, says the DEA, the agency has launched 557 investigations, pursued actions against 441 doctors, and arrested 34, a small fraction of the nearly 1 million physicians licensed to dispense controlled drugs. "DEA statistics," the agency proclaimed on October 30, "show that the vast majority of practitioners registered with the DEA comply with the requirements of the Controlled Substances Act and prescribe controlled substances in a responsible manner." The agency added, "Doctors operating within the bounds of accepted medical practice have nothing to fear from the DEA."
But some doctors believe that the DEA, having conspicuously failed to stem the tide of illegal drug use in this country, is coming after physicians to ratchet up the agency's prosecution count. (This year alone, two federal reviews lambasted the DEA for its poor performance in fighting illegal drug use, one report giving the agency a zero on a scale of one to 100.)
"They're unable to take down the real drug lords, so they're coming after doctors using the same tactics," one pain physician tells the Voice. For an agency keen to justify its massive budget, doctors provide an easy target. Consider some other recent cases:
In Roanoke, Virginia, pain specialist Dr. Cecil Knox and two of his associates were accused of operating what federal prosecutors call "a pill mill." Prosecutors alleged that Knox overprescribed OxyContin and methadone to increase the profits of his financially struggling operation and that this contributed to the deaths of eight patients. Armed agents in flak jackets raided Knox's office. "They all came in with guns drawn," a clinic employee who was present during the raid reported to the Pain Relief Network. "I thought I was going to die. My husband was helping out that day, and a DEA agent came in and pointed a gun at his head and said, 'Get off the phone now.' " (As this story went to press, news came that the feds failed to win a single conviction in the case; the jury cleared Knox of 30 of the 69 charges, deadlocking on the remaining counts.) In another case of DEA strong-arm tactics, more than 20 agents burst into a Dallas pain clinic in June. The agents kicked down doors, ransacked the office of Dr. Daniel Maynard, and handcuffed patients, including an elderly woman with a stroller and an oxygen tank.
In South Carolina, physician Deborah Bordeaux was convicted earlier this year under a federal drug-kingpin statute and is currently awaiting sentencing. She faces up to 100 years in prison as a major drug dealer for dispensing opiates to patients suffering from chronic pain at a Myrtle Beach clinic, where she had worked for only two months. Dr. Benjamin Moore, who worked at the same clinic, committed suicide in July 2002 rather than testify against his co-workers.
In Arkansas, Dr. Randeep Mann claims that a patient approached him in 2002 and told him that a federal agent had offered her $250 to say that Mann had prescribed her painkillers in exchange for sex. Mann also charges that another female patient told him that local authorities had offered to forgive her cocaine arrest if she told the same lie in court. "They destroyed my practice and they've managed to run away a lot of my patients, and I can no longer prescribe opioids, but I still have my license," Mann tells the Voice.
In New Orleans, Dr. David Jarrott, who specializes in pain management, claims that an undercover DEA agent posing as a truck driver tried to entrap him by giving him fake X-rays to secure a supply of Vicodin for a supposed bad back. Jarrott also says the same agent tried to bribe him for amphetamine-based diet pills claiming he needed to stay awake while driving his truck. In early October, the doctor had his license suspended for three years after two of his patients died, one of whom, unbeknownst to Jarrott, was mixing street drugs with his legitimate medication.
In Arizona, Dr. Jeri Hassman, who runs Tucson's biggest pain practice, was indicted in March after a sting involving two undercover agents and a three-time-convicted felon. She is being threatened with a 28-year prison term because some of her patients abused prescriptions she wrote.
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It's not just on the federal level that harsh punishment is being meted out. Dr. Robert Weitzel from Utah was convicted of negligent homicide and sentenced to 15 years in prison. He gave morphine to a 91-year-old patient, who soon after died of heart disease. Weitzel won a retrial (and acquittal) in November 2002 after it was learned that a local prosecutor had concealed exculpatory evidence. In Florida in the same year, Dr. James Graves was not so lucky, becoming the first U.S. physician to be convicted of manslaughter related to an OxyContin prescription, after local authorities charged that four of his patients fatally overdosed on OxyContin, some of them after combining it with illegal street drugs. Graves contended that his patients would not have died if they had taken the drugs as directed. He is currently serving 63 years.
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Federal officials claim that nearly 500 people died from overdosing on OxyContin in 2002, but a recent article in The Journal of Analytical Toxicology could find only 12 cases in which OxyContin was the sole cause of death; all the others fell victim to poly-drug abusemixing OxyContin with cocaine, alcohol, Valium, or various other substances.
"Opioids when taken under clinical supervision are not that dangerous," says the American Pain Institute's Myers. "The data tells us that only 3 percent of people who take opioids become addicts. The latest research conclusively shows that the best medicines for the treatment of chronic pain are narcotics. They have less side effects and more benefits than any other type of drug."
More dangerous, contends Myers, are the everyday drugs that pain sufferers turn to when they can't get narcotics. He talks about something called "suicide by Tylenol": "When chronic pain patients can't get opioids, they go out and use tremendous amounts of drugs like Tylenol and Motrin, which can cause serious liver and kidney damage. Pain patients are dying from kidney and liver disease because of this."
Many pain patients are also dying by their own hand, according to the Pain Relief Network's Reynolds. "All over America, pain patients are committing suicide because of the DEA's campaign," she claims. "I know of at least 17 recent cases in Arkansas alone. It's really astonishing the amount of human carnage that this campaign has already caused."
Fumes Myers: "What's going on here is morally reprehensible and medically incomprehensible and it has to stop. Doctors who treat pain patients are not criminals."
A not so satirical piece of advice to doctors by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc
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Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc
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ADVICE TO DOCTORS RE: PAIN MANAGEMENT
(or "What the government has taught doctors.")
Until wrongs are righted and procedural changes are made, physicians have little choice other than to be unusually suspicious of new patients, to require unnecessary and expensive tests, to waste time on excessive documentation, or to turn away suffering patients, even if they think the patients may not find anyone else to treat them.
If you're thinking about getting into pain management using opioids as appropriate:
DON'T. Forget what you learned in medical school -- drug agents now set medical standards.
If you do, first discuss the risks with your family.
They could lose a mother or father or breadwinner, their home, their car, their college fund;
There could be years of harassment and legal fees;
Your colleagues will probably ostracize you and family members at the first sign of trouble.
If you are already prescribing opioids:
Beware of new patients. If you accept a new patient, do background checks, demand old records before writing the first Rx, obtain urine screens and get them to sign opioid contracts. It is safer to turn them down, explain why, and give them an action item (call their congressman, for example).
Do thorough physicals, even if unnecessary and not helpful.
Make voluminous notes.
Exercise zero tolerance for patient slip-ups (such as losing a prescription).
Beware of any patients with a history of drug abuse. Even if now clean and in genuine pain, they might be induced by government zealots to testify against you to save themselves from imprisonment on drug charges.
Refer patients early and often to addictionologists, orthopedists, pain specialists, psychologists, regardless of expense or your opinion of helpfulness.
Keep a low profile and beware of saying anything that might offend an official of law enforcement, the licensure board, or the state medical society.
Never forget that you could be held to a standard of strict liability for any patient misbehavior or for any bad outcomes such as death, no matter the cause and without regard to the culpability of the patient or his associates. Remember, your medical decisions will be reviewed by drug agents who will decide if your actions were medically reasonable.
Consider phasing out this part of your practice, giving patients plenty of time to find another doctor.
You are most welcome to contribute to this topic / thread by posting below.
Edited by DrugBuyers (06/02/04 03:54 PM)
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rockystuart
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I saw in the village voice artical that at least 17 cronic pain suffers have committed suicide - due to teh physisians fear of fufilling their oth to relieve pain and suffering.
I can relate - took pain meds for 8 years (no addiction no habituation. HaD FUSION - NO pain for two years. Now two more disks gone. Took pain meds (up to 60mg hydro/day).
THEN my doctor lost of had stoled her triplicate pad. She then went back and CHANGED my med records to reduce dose and frequency. Handed me over to another doctor who told me i didn't need meds. I spent thr mext year in bed at least 4 days a week - until my neighbors took me to emergency for demerol/morphine.
I prayed every day for god to call me back and put an end to the pain.
SO I can relate to those 17./
Incidently, I have narcolepsy - and my niueroligist was seeing me for my routine 3month triplicate for dexidrine and saw me stand up and walk (after a fashion). He perscribed me 120 10/325s on teh spot.
And I believed teh doctor when she said I din't need meds - but she was more interested in DEA prosecution than keeping me alive
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redhill
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I cannot even believe that that is real, or legal for that matter!!
I am so stunned to even read that. We need to repeat that message everywhere we can, so we can drive home to people, doctors, legislators, anyone, how draconian laws and regulations have become.
We need to show everyone how absurd things have gotten, and how pain management has been reduced to nothing.
The US war on patients has grown out of control.
I've copied and pasted the article, and I intend to show it to anyone I can think of, including my own doctors. When confronted with it, SOMEone has got to be embarrassed.
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viper269
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i will surly be one that could not live with out the pain
meds even with them some days are just hell like tonight
i am in so much pain the meds are helping but but not much
i can't sleep thow i pray that i can so i don't feal the pain so i don't yell at the kids and hubby for no reson
i know a trip to the ER is coming but i have been puting that off because i don't want to be treated like a drug secker (sorry about the spelling but it hard to tip in pain) i would by fare reather them fined out what is giveing me pain and fix me but till then it take meds or die i offten wounder if pain alowen can kill you i some times fell it will (or whish it would) how can any one tell me i don't have the right to help because some one who dosen't may take what helps me to get high well their are lots of other drugs (street drugs they can and do and will keep doing to get high even after they take my pain meds away from me thows that want to get high will most do not get them from doctors things like coke and crak will alway be around but more may strat to use them for pain (not sure if that would work on pain)but sure lots will try if they can no longer get help from there doctors and could we plame them i just wish i would die tonight and that with meds everyday my kids see me in pain in a bad mode i fell so bad when i yell when i shouldn't and they say they undsteand when i say i am sorry but do they how would it be with out the help of op's i try to listen to the kids talk about there day want to read to me or just spend time with me but all the time i am thinking about how to stop the pain and if they would be better off if i would have die a few months ago when i was on life suport. i have been lifeing in pain for 3 years now i have been to doctor after doctor looking for help (not meds) they alwauys give me pain meds for a bite then stop i don't want meds (thow i need them)what i want is what ever is giveing me pain to be found and fixed but for us that can not be fixed we should be able to get meds that are knewn to help us.
sorry so long but it makes me so mad to read stuff like this that makes poeple look at use the same as some on on crak it just not right
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Corrie
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I can believe it. It makes total sense, seeing what I've been through for the past 3 years. It's amazing how the DEA controls a field that they truly have no business in - medicine. They are there to (I thought??) take care of illegal distribution of drugs that are being bought and sold illegally on the streets. Crack, cocaine, heroin and even illegally purchased and sold opiates - but the Feds are more interested in coming down on the patients that require these meds to stay alive, or at least live a life that is nearly free of pain (I would say mine is a 7-9 without meds and with meds is a 2 or 3, or 1 on a great day).
I do believe that those in the public eye who have used and abused drugs have upped the anty in regard to how the DEA looks at and acts in accordance to their drug arrests, but generally, they are, IMHO, being directed to arrest and then prosecute doctors who are prescribing medication to patients who will either abuse their meds or take them as prescribed. How can a doctor be responsible for an individual's actions? I believe that there is way too little accountibility for one's own actions in this country. We are always trying to find someone to blame if something horrific happens that is not the fault of another. There has to be someone to blame (but those in power of prosecution cannot look at it as individual accountibility), so the DEA is now directing their attentions to doctors who write for opiates. I cannot receive adequate medical care at all, and rely upon OP's for my medical care and to be able to do the things I used to do without the pain. I wake up and cannot even move - if this were to be my life, it would really just be existing.
I feel horrible for everyone suffering with pain and cannot find the adequate care we all deserve. I am paying exorbitant prices that I can't really afford, when, if I were to go through my HMO, we could have much more for our kids, our retirement, etc. It's absurd and reprehensible.
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You are the typical pain patient....your story is our story....we go from doctor to doctor....often have multiple painful procedures (that line their pockets, when writing scripts doesnt pay well)....I went to a pain managment doctor that only did epidurals...course reimbursement for each epidural by my insurance was $1200.00...he didn't "believe" in narcotics...and why would he...he would stand to lose a LOT of money if his patients no longer needed the useless epidurals he was pushing...I myself had 3 ever 4 months...to the point where now I have so much scar tissue & adhesions later therapies have been difficult...the surgery just prior to my last spinal cord stimulator revision was 12 hours of agonzing surgery, and I had to be awake for the whole thing...it was a nightmare...just because of all the epidurals I've had....I'm fortunate to have a compassionate group of pain management doctors and an excellent spinal surgeon now...but I have to fly to see them every two months....and they've informed me if the DEA gets down on them, I may have to fly monthly to continue to get my meds....that's enough to make me CRAZY...but before I found them, my life wasn't worth living and I was quite suicidal.
I've been through hell this year with three scary hospitalizations, the last one I spent 3 days in ICU...and while there I had to fight to get my pain treated effectively...even when there were ordered meds for me...the nurses wanted to "control" how & when I got them...I actually had to get the nursing supervisor to my bedside to get my scheduled dose of morpine one night...it's just crazy...I'll pray for you that you too find a compassionate doctor...no one should have to live with excruciating pain on a daily basis...and I believe no one can for any extended period of time...it takes too much out of you....
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flippie
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This is probably the most rhetorical, idiotic question ever asked on this board, but why don't we adopt an entirely new attitude toward medicine - let's have doctors heal the sick and do everything they have in their power to make their patients' lives better?
What keeps everything and everyone "in line" when there is clearly an overwhelming need for realistic approaches to pain management.
I've seen Discovery-type TV shows about the topic and about how doctors are afraid to prescribe certain compounds because of DEA pressure, so it isn't that people don't KNOW - is it the stigma of narcotic drug use, or just that such a minority of people suffer crippling pain that it isn't "important" enough to address?
I'm asking a real question here - I read the documentation earlier in this thread, but nothing has explained to me why a doctor who has allegedly sworn to help hir patients can ethically deny what is known to be an effective treatment. I know that it happens, but why? What do the DEA or FDA get out of causing pain and prison sentences for honest sufferers? What is their gain?
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srw
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i can tell you thier gain, its just like the recent story of a kid who got meds online and died from an od. thats the gain, the politicians use stories like that to shut everything down, and im truly sorry this kid died, but the policy makers have to realize the #s of real pain patients who exist, if i didnt have my meds i would not make it thru a day, so in a way i would be like this boy, so by making all these hard rules, and scaring docs with thier liscenses, these politicians are going to cause alot of people who barely can get thru a day as it is, not be able to get thru a day, they will be the cause of many people 2nd guessing life because the pain is too great and it will be too hard to get meds too help, god help them make the right choice
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flippie
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Yeah its the "Think of the Children!" motto. Nobody DISlikes kids, so doing things "in their best interest" is always politically easier than doing it to police ourselves.
They didn't mention the kids who were shot that day by thugs for doing nothing wrong, they didn't mention the children who died because they stuck forks in electrical outlets that day, they didn't mention that *most* of the population of the world doesn't have running water - they mention the one kid who got stupid and ate too many pills, then demonize the OP who sold them to him, and consequently OPs in general.
This sickens me, but it happens all the time. The OP who sold a kid drugs needs a spanking, if not a Louisville Sluggering, but the fault isn't with OPs it is with ONE OP and one irresponsible child who apparently somehow managed to order enough h/c to kill himself.
Sorry to rant, but using ONE child who himself made the mistake to justify attacking a medium that many people have grown to NEED is so ludicrous that...well hell, now I need a Valium.
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Because it's been deemed that to stick with the "status quo" is the "way to go". Our society says that alcohol is the "drug of choice" - one only has to look at an AA meeting to dispute that one. Seriously, it is the interaction of politics, economics and medicine that keeps this the way it is. In NYState controlled substances must be written in TRIPLICATE prescriptions - and the state charges an MD $1.00 for each prescription - makes for lots of jobs in the Capitol - Albany - filing the state copies - lots of employment for DEA officers to come around to the local pharmacies and bust their chops - come on guys - wake up and smell the coffee. Why does Jeb Bush's daughter get rehab for forging Xanex Rx's and some other poor guy in FL is sentenced to 25 years in jail - why does Rush Limbaugh get rehab when anyone else would have been locked up and had the key thrown away - why is Martha Stewart probably going to jail when Ken Lay is out there free as a bird on some golf course with his buddies figuring out how to rip zillions out of some other group of poor souls' 401K. The American society is a very hypocritacal one and has a HUGE double standard - and it's guaranteed to line the pockets of those who have the power and don't want to relinquish it.
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flippie
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Agreed - I guess we can go back and forth on the issue all night nodding in agreement, probably with most of the people reading this too. And probably even with most of the lawmakers, secretly.
Eventually common sense will prevail - eventually it will not be a sin to improve our lives through the aid and knowledge of biologists and chemists.
Soon maybe some people won't have to hire a doctor (who is now a criminal, we are told) to kill them to put them out of their misery.
Suddenly, everyone will wake up and think "holy cow, this is crazy - a LOT of people WANT to participate in this world but CANNOT because they are in crippling pain for which the only relief is illegal because some people enjoy it"
I don't know where I'm going with this, just venting I guess. Legally enforced morality, and about something so important to so many people. Is that what it has come down to?
Didn't England make Heroin legal for a couple years some time back? Whatever happened with that, anyway, did the numbers look too good so they got blown under a rug and the law crept back in place, or was the whole experiment actually a failure, does anybody happen to know offhand?
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sam001
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Eventually common sense will prevail
Flippie,
I'm not wanting to misquote you, but that part of your statement quoted above was one of the best I've seen in a long time. I hope this happens in my life. In the meantime I'll just stick to the notion that common sense is not that common.
I agree with many others who posted that much of this is political gain using the "must protect the children" arguement. Maybe seatbelts in school buses... no outlaw the evil drugs.
Let's not forget, that our government "subsidizes" TV shows that have stories lines that perpetuate evil drug stories. The general public is constantly being fed misinformation regarding the use of narcotic pain meds. Do Oprah and Dr Phil do shows on people in chronic pain being treated like dog dodo in the medical system or do we see the housewife addicted to xanax going off to rehab? I'd love to see a national debate on pain management in this country. Even NPR has jumped on the bandwagon talking about oxycontin being just a click away from your teenager.
OK, I've ranted enough. I want common sense to prevail, sure wish there was more of it.
Sam
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flippie
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Sam;
If I could argue with you, I would. I am usually pretty good at finding SOMETHING to argue about, but I agree entirely. I do think that there are at least some reasons to feel a little optimism.
If I understand correctly, for instance, the E.U. decided that membership would require nations to maintain a certain maximum rate of violent crime, so many European nations are starting to realize that their billions of crime-fighting tax dollars could be better used elsewhere. It took someone to grab them and shake them and yell for a while, but now it seems that this common sense is becoming a contageous meme. We can only hope.
I think of it this way - we live in a Democracy, which is for all practical purposes an organized mob-rules social philosophy (with some checks and balances built in). When a Democracy works perfectly, when exactly everyone gets an equal share of the vote, the outcome of that vote is going to reflect the average person, including the average I.Q.
So change comes slowly. People need reasons to stop believing lies and hype, otherwise they won't. As long as being anti-drug is fashionable, the lies will be with us, the exo-toxic memes we surround ourselves with. As long as the public is tapping it's feet to it, it is not going to change. We need either another focus, or to wash drug use into the mainstream, and I mean AM radio type mainstream.
As soon as Britney Spears admits she shoots Oxy and her mom helps her with the needle, and she writes a popular, catchy song about it, then we'll see the first crack of hope.
When the weatherman says on T.V. "...and it's going to be a stormy one out there folks, it'd be a good day to curl up in front of the fireplace with a loved one and a joint" and not get fired, then progress will have been made.
Like when African-American people first started using the proverbial N word to describe themselves, or gays began using queer - we could take the wind out of their sails.
Those two particular examples are not really the same thing though, so let's knock on Formica that history repeats itself, and we get tired of wasting our money on fruitless nonsense.
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sam001
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Flippie,
I appreciate your hopeful outlook, thank you. Attitudes change slowly, but they do indeed change. 50 years from now I hope indeed we're looking back saying "Can you believe the way pain was treated back then?"
Thanks again,
Sam
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THE WAY TO CONTROL ANYONE OR ANYTHING IS THROUGH PAIN...RIGHT...OF COURSE IM RIGHT.THOSE THAT ABUSE DRUGS DIE SO IS THERE A LAW AGAINST SUICIDE?OF COURSE NOT.YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIGURE THE GOVERNMENTS ACTION OUT BY NOW.ITS ALL ABOUT CONTROL.
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who_am_i
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Loc: Southern USA
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...AND $$$$$$!!!
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Foxglove
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Reged: 10/25/03
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Loc: Lone Star State
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It is really sad, that these drugs are made for a purpose, which in America seems to have become taboo!
Also why does the FDA or large pharmeceutical companies hardly ever get any heat when a drug of theirs "kills" a ton of people like phen-fen (Wyeth) or even further back in time, shortly after Valium was introuduced in 1961, tons of housewives became severly addicted to them (hence the nick-name "Mothers little helpers".) There is hardly any mention of that except from stories from older family members.
They should call common sense - uncommon or rare sense that would be more appropriate.
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The goal of life is living in agreement with nature.
-Zeno, greek Philosopher(335-263B.C.)
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