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I hate to sound alarmist, but let me say just this.
My earlier post regarding orders to Western Canada was based on conjecture. I was wrong.
Apparently orders travelling safely through that port (as most all orders from SE Asia will) and making it to any point in Canada has now become an anomaly for certain IOPs, including one that has has a stellar record here for years.
See any thread on FirstMedsinter for an example of what I'm talking about (though this is not the IOP I'm referring to).
CANADIANS!! do not order anything that comes in packaging similar to that of Daniel Maxx's. They recognize this style of packaging. Stop ordering from that part of the world. . .there's nearly a 100% seizure rate for some of our best IOPs (w/out naming names) because the basic method of shipment has not changed much. . .and all these seizures are happening on one side of the continent MUCH more than they other. (Except BC-bothing in, nothing out-period.)
It you want to risk continuing, try to order from a DIFFERENT CONTINENT so that it will be processed via a different customs unit entirely. You may want to try using an IOP with packaging that you know is fairly different.
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Just when you thought it was save to open up the latest postings "I'm Back"... Hello all. I posted most of my previous postings on the VIP side under the same name (ex member). I have only been involved in OPs and IOPs for about 4 months. I believe (even though you guys and gals are better qualified) that I have learned enough to know when to stop using IOPs and that time is Now. I know I have read here that no DB members have every been arrested and just get love letters. That is good. But are there any undocumented reports out there" I think so. The point I am trying to make is I did Not look into the laws of the US for importation until After I got a love letter. (Now it is up to 3 letters). I didn't dream it would be a Felony and could spend up to 5 years in the pokey if convicted. Not to mention if any of my family members, wife, kids, etc. got those love letters first. Pretty embarrassing at the least. Another thing. If any one who has got those loving letters from big brother what do you think you will be treated like the next time your go overseas and return? Who knows what special markings they will put on your passport. Also don't be surprised if you are pulled aside and checked over from head to toe. I know maybe I am over reacting here but all I know is for myself I will never use any IOPs anymore. It is too easy to get it legally from a local OP here in the US. And it is not worth the hassle and worry just to save 50 to 100 bucks on paying for a consultation. If you shop around local you can get almost the same price as those cheap IOPs with little or no risk. Good luck folks. I hope you all get what you want and need. just please be careful. Have a good one------>Sammyboy
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stevesmith
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Just when you thought it was save to open up the latest postings "I'm Back"... Hello all. I posted most of my previous postings on the VIP side under the same name (ex member). I have only been involved in OPs and IOPs for about 4 months. I believe (even though you guys and gals are better qualified) that I have learned enough to know when to stop using IOPs and that time is Now. I know I have read here that no DB members have every been arrested and just get love letters. That is good. But are there any undocumented reports out there" I think so. The point I am trying to make is I did Not look into the laws of the US for importation until After I got a love letter. (Now it is up to 3 letters). I didn't dream it would be a Felony and could spend up to 5 years in the pokey if convicted. Not to mention if any of my family members, wife, kids, etc. got those love letters first. Pretty embarrassing at the least. Another thing. If any one who has got those loving letters from big brother what do you think you will be treated like the next time your go overseas and return? Who knows what special markings they will put on your passport. Also don't be surprised if you are pulled aside and checked over from head to toe. I know maybe I am over reacting here but all I know is for myself I will never use any IOPs anymore. It is too easy to get it legally from a local OP here in the US. And it is not worth the hassle and worry just to save 50 to 100 bucks on paying for a consultation. If you shop around local you can get almost the same price as those cheap IOPs with little or no risk. Good luck folks. I hope you all get what you want and need. just please be careful. Have a good one------>Sammyboy
I agree better safe than sorry
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cleo911
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I agree better safe than sorry
Couldn't possibly disagree more. Safe from what? Unless you're ordering ludicrous quantaties, nobody is going to come after you for #100/#200 valium or whatever. And for the person that posted in another thread about 'red tape', I ask what red tape? You get a 'love letter' just throw it away. I know people who have received dozens of them, and their orders still come thru. The rampant paranoia going on around here lately is simply absurd
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rockystuart
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oopS i HAVE SEIZURES BUT NOT THIS KIND. and for me a reasonable quantity for a 90 day supply can be 720 tablets.
USCS doesnt seize my stuff - have relaesed the only one they took and have all my records/treatment plan dosages and qty on file (I had to give it to the officer in SF yto free up the envelope)_ They nearly fell over! I guess most people just let them take things - but I WILL stand up for my rights.; FOLLOW FDA GUIDELINES.
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stevesmith
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oopS i HAVE SEIZURES BUT NOT THIS KIND. and for me a reasonable quantity for a 90 day supply can be 720 tablets.
USCS doesnt seize my stuff - have relaesed the only one they took and have all my records/treatment plan dosages and qty on file (I had to give it to the officer in SF yto free up the envelope)_ They nearly fell over! I guess most people just let them take things - but I WILL stand up for my rights.; FOLLOW FDA GUIDELINES.
yes i think the problem is these other ppl dont have proper records/treatment plan etc. documentation to show int he first place
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stevesmith
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I agree better safe than sorry
Couldn't possibly disagree more. Safe from what? Unless you're ordering ludicrous quantaties, nobody is going to come after you for #100/#200 valium or whatever. And for the person that posted in another thread about 'red tape', I ask what red tape? You get a 'love letter' just throw it away. I know people who have received dozens of them, and their orders still come thru. The rampant paranoia going on around here lately is simply absurd
I am happy none of them have gotten in any trouble. I just personaly dont understand why anyoen would go thru all the hassle of worrying bout seizures etc. I dropped by my dr. office yesterday, no appointment, he wrote me script for V's 10mg went to drugstore: 100 10's 20.00 no waiting no hassle no worrying bout seizures and I think a very fair price. that's all i think is why would anyone wanna mess with worrying botu seizures etc. that's all I am saying. I myself have only used IOP 1 time.
my main concern would be if it got seized and I was out ya know. that would suck to be totaly without my meds is all I am saying.
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stevesmith
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oopS i HAVE SEIZURES BUT NOT THIS KIND. and for me a reasonable quantity for a 90 day supply can be 720 tablets.
USCS doesnt seize my stuff - have relaesed the only one they took and have all my records/treatment plan dosages and qty on file (I had to give it to the officer in SF yto free up the envelope)_ They nearly fell over! I guess most people just let them take things - but I WILL stand up for my rights.; FOLLOW FDA GUIDELINES.
So if I ordered my v's from IOP and they got seized I could possibly fax them my script and documentation showing it was legit and they'd release it to me ya think?
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woolius
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Here's the issue here. Most doctors have become paranoid of the DEA and are undermedicating our population. Many doctors will not even write a script for valium in the first place and if they do, it's for 20 tablets, if you're lucky. Now this is if you even have health insurance, which many of us here do not. A single visit to the doctor starts at $65. Put that together with cost of medication and it is much cheaper to order from IOP's. I have medical insurance, but after doc copay and rx copay, meds from IOP's are less expensive.
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stevesmith
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Here's the issue here. Most doctors have become paranoid of the DEA and are undermedicating our population. Many doctors will not even write a script for valium in the first place and if they do, it's for 20 tablets, if you're lucky. Now this is if you even have health insurance, which many of us here do not. A single visit to the doctor starts at $65. Put that together with cost of medication and it is much cheaper to order from IOP's. I have medical insurance, but after doc copay and rx copay, meds from IOP's are less expensive.
ok i guess I just am one of the lcuky few. I wish everyone else had a col understand dr. like me. I wish everyone the ebst of luck wiht their IOP orders and seizures etc.
pardon my spelling it is friday ngiht I might have drak a feww
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Listvoer
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oopS i HAVE SEIZURES BUT NOT THIS KIND. and for me a reasonable quantity for a 90 day supply can be 720 tablets.
USCS doesnt seize my stuff - have relaesed the only one they took and have all my records/treatment plan dosages and qty on file (I had to give it to the officer in SF yto free up the envelope)_ They nearly fell over! I guess most people just let them take things - but I WILL stand up for my rights.; FOLLOW FDA GUIDELINES.
So if I ordered my v's from IOP and they got seized I could possibly fax them my script and documentation showing it was legit and they'd release it to me ya think?
The answer is no. It's been debated a trillion times on here, but the fact of the matter, if you read the actual law regarding importation (which is on this site, btw), you must have a federal license to import drugs into the country in any manner other than if you personally carry them across the border, and that cannot be over a certain amount. Don't take my word for it, here is a quote from here
" Only those people who are registered with DEA as importers and who are in compliance with DEA requirements may have controlled substances shipped into the customs territory or jurisdiction of the U.S. from a foreign country."
And from much further down the same website, the facts:
Is it Legal to Buy Controlled Substances From Foreign Internet Sites and Have Them Shipped to the U.S.?
No, having controlled substances shipped to the U.S. is illegal unless you are registered with DEA as an importer and you are in compliance with 21 U.S.C. 952, 953, and 954 and 21 CFR part 1312. Some foreign Internet sites claim they can legally sell these controlled substances; other sites, knowing that such shipments are illegal, advise consumers of ways to avoid having the packages seized by U.S. Customs. The Controlled Substances Act prohibits any person from importing into the customs territory of the U.S. any controlled
substance or List I chemical (21 U.S.C. 971 and 21 CFR part 1313) unless that person maintains a valid, current authorization to import such substances or chemicals (21 U.S.C. 957(a)). DEA regulations further state:
"No person shall import or cause to be imported any controlled substance * * * unless and until such person is properly registered under the Act (or exempt from registration) and the Administrator has issued him a permit to do so pursuant to Sec. 1312.13. * * *" (21 CFR 1312.11(a))
Illegal importation of controlled substances is a felony that may result in imprisonment and fines (21 U.S.C. 960).
The CSA Provides a Personal Use Exemption for Controlled Substances Purchased Abroad. Does the Exemption Apply to Controlled Substances Bought from a Foreign Internet Site?
The Controlled Substances Act and DEA regulations allow you a personal use exemption to bring a limited quantity of controlled substances into the U.S. for your use only when you bring the controlled substances across the U.S. border in your possession (21 U.S.C. 956, 21 CFR 1301.26). It does not apply to controlled substances being shipped into the U.S. Purchasing controlled substances on the Internet and having them shipped to you in the U.S. is not permitted by the personal use exemption. Such purchases and shipments would be considered "imports" of the controlled substance even if the substance is for your personal use. Unless you are registered as an importer and in compliance with the requirements, such shipments are illegal and subject to seizure.
Does it Make a Difference if I Have a Prescription from a U.S. Doctor for Controlled Substances That I Buy From a Foreign Internet Site?
No, the law remains the same. Unless you are registered with DEA as an importer and are in compliance with DEA's requirements, you may not have controlled substances shipped to you in the U.S. from another country.
It isn't pretty, but that's the law as I see it.. not very ambigious.
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oopS i HAVE SEIZURES BUT NOT THIS KIND. and for me a reasonable quantity for a 90 day supply can be 720 tablets.
USCS doesnt seize my stuff - have relaesed the only one they took and have all my records/treatment plan dosages and qty on file (I had to give it to the officer in SF yto free up the envelope)_ They nearly fell over! I guess most people just let them take things - but I WILL stand up for my rights.; FOLLOW FDA GUIDELINES.
So if I ordered my v's from IOP and they got seized I could possibly fax them my script and documentation showing it was legit and they'd release it to me ya think?
The answer is no. It's been debated a trillion times on here, but the fact of the matter, if you read the actual law regarding importation (which is on this site, btw), you must have a federal license to import drugs into the country in any manner other than if you personally carry them across the border, and that cannot be over a certain amount. Don't take my word for it, here is a quote from here
" Only those people who are registered with DEA as importers and who are in compliance with DEA requirements may have controlled substances shipped into the customs territory or jurisdiction of the U.S. from a foreign country."
And from much further down the same website, the facts:
Is it Legal to Buy Controlled Substances From Foreign Internet Sites and Have Them Shipped to the U.S.?
No, having controlled substances shipped to the U.S. is illegal unless you are registered with DEA as an importer and you are in compliance with 21 U.S.C. 952, 953, and 954 and 21 CFR part 1312. Some foreign Internet sites claim they can legally sell these controlled substances; other sites, knowing that such shipments are illegal, advise consumers of ways to avoid having the packages seized by U.S. Customs. The Controlled Substances Act prohibits any person from importing into the customs territory of the U.S. any controlled
substance or List I chemical (21 U.S.C. 971 and 21 CFR part 1313) unless that person maintains a valid, current authorization to import such substances or chemicals (21 U.S.C. 957(a)). DEA regulations further state:
"No person shall import or cause to be imported any controlled substance * * * unless and until such person is properly registered under the Act (or exempt from registration) and the Administrator has issued him a permit to do so pursuant to Sec. 1312.13. * * *" (21 CFR 1312.11(a))
Illegal importation of controlled substances is a felony that may result in imprisonment and fines (21 U.S.C. 960).
The CSA Provides a Personal Use Exemption for Controlled Substances Purchased Abroad. Does the Exemption Apply to Controlled Substances Bought from a Foreign Internet Site?
The Controlled Substances Act and DEA regulations allow you a personal use exemption to bring a limited quantity of controlled substances into the U.S. for your use only when you bring the controlled substances across the U.S. border in your possession (21 U.S.C. 956, 21 CFR 1301.26). It does not apply to controlled substances being shipped into the U.S. Purchasing controlled substances on the Internet and having them shipped to you in the U.S. is not permitted by the personal use exemption. Such purchases and shipments would be considered "imports" of the controlled substance even if the substance is for your personal use. Unless you are registered as an importer and in compliance with the requirements, such shipments are illegal and subject to seizure.
Does it Make a Difference if I Have a Prescription from a U.S. Doctor for Controlled Substances That I Buy From a Foreign Internet Site?
No, the law remains the same. Unless you are registered with DEA as an importer and are in compliance with DEA's requirements, you may not have controlled substances shipped to you in the U.S. from another country.
It isn't pretty, but that's the law as I see it.. not very ambigious.
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OK awesome thanx for clearing that up
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People will do what they need to do to take care of themselves, as they should. What are they going to try and lock up every person who has to improvise in order to survive. We must all stand together (power in numbers) on the importation issues and not allow out of touch government to intimidate and deprive people of the medications they need just because they are not one of the privileged or lucky.
Those that we elect to represent us in the government must understand the laws should be written to benefit the population not the corporation.
Too much talking so I'll shut up now.
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Lablady2
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Laws written for the people not the corporation - oh boy - I ONLY wish. This country is run by the major corporations - especially big pharm which has the second largest DC lobby only to the NRA.
It is a joke - but the joke is on US. Why do you think they are cracking down on IOP's and the seizure rate has increased to much.
However, look at the el scandale re Merck and Vioxx - and this is only the tip of iceberg. Celebrex will soon be on way out - and where was FDA when these drugs were approved with their fudged clinical studies that happen with regularity - esp with the "me too" drugs that cost very little in R&D but rake in HUGE profits.
FDA is the big fox watching the henhouses. Under this administration it has grown so blatant that it is really criminal and these corporations should be prosecuted for criminal conduct!!!!!!!!
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MRNUTTY
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good thing we still have the FDA let us have addictive booze and ciggy's that can legaly kill us. neither of which i use. maybe blather, but it seemed in the spirit of the thing.
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bbopin1
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doctors are just to tight with their pads. I recently injured my back a few months ago which appears is going to turn into a chronic problem. The walkin clinic i went to was good, they gave me vicodin a few times. Well the orthopedic was complete Best if kept off the board, he told me vicodin was to strong and that his office did not prescribe it!! lol. Then had the nerve to tell me there was no other medication like vicodin, that all there was were NSAID's (ibuprofen, bextra) after the MRI and more bullcrap he finally gave me a few DARVOCET which is Best if kept off the board anyway.
all in all healthcare is so screwed up right now, you have to be terminal to get a few pain pills.
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dws1
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It really depends on where you live in some states docs are really conservative. fortunatly I live in that infamous state Fl, every one remembers Rush Limbaugh! And all of the doctors arrested for selling scripts, dispite all of this my doc still writes for whatever his patients need depending on their condition. I have been through surgery and pm docs and anymore when i find a doctor being rude or outright lying about treatments I tell them. I haven't run into many doctors like that b/c I usually bring 3 MRI reports CT scans and documetation from my surgery and medication history with me. It also helps to dress well and present yourself well, I can not believe how some people look walking into the doctors office even though I am in pain I try to look good doctors will judge you on how you look. But so does every one else whats new!
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Bandagin
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I accidently Posted this Here But Decided to Leave It After All~
~Bitchin Is Good &
Bitchin Is Fine
~But, We Want Our Rights Restored
In This Present Life Time!
~The Day Has Come To get Off Our A$$e$ And
Let The Govs Know They Have PI$$ED Of THe Masses!
~I Am Serious As HELL To ALL That Roam This Board!
Whazzit Gonna Take To Get Thru Ya'lls Thick Gourds?
~EveryDay We All Worry And We Stress,
We Have To Get Mad If We Are To Fix This Mess!
~70 Million People Suffer From Untreated Pain
If WE All Make An Effort It Would BE To Our GAIN!
~To Cease The Scattered Winds of Our BITCHIN ,
And Be Single NeverEnding Storm For Our Freedom AGAIN~~
!~What We Gonna Do Bout It Ya'll! Think About It! THEY CAN"T IGNORE 70,000,000 People For Long(estimated PainSufferers going un or undertreated) ! We just have to Figure out How to get all of us together at One Time! Sounds impossible but it really isn't! Not in this Information Age! While not a complete waste of time, I am convinced that we as a people can no longer go to our elected officials for real help! We must re-think old methods that no longer work ! My Idea, even though it may not seem revolutionary right now, will eventually be the way of the future! What do our Elected officials use to spin their lies and worn out agendas? To try, in minutes, to change public opinion ! THEY USE THE MEDIA! What do Our Elected(and non-elected) officials FEAR THE MOST? THE MEDIA!!! WE(anyone wanting their Constitutional Rights back) MUST CHANGE OUR PLAN of ATTACK and began WRITTING TO ALL MEDIA OUTLETS ABOUT OUR PROBLEMS! The Hell with tryin to tell The Clowns in Govt! What a Better Way To Inform Them Than With CNN,ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX and the list goes on!! THINK ABOUT IT! IF WE ALL Started Writing Letters and Emails NON-STOP to Media outlets it would begin to raise EyEbrows after a while! I Mean SATURATION STYLE BOMBING!! Sure They would probably Blow Us Off(did I really say that?)At First! Of Course They Would! Its In their Nature! But The Constant Barrage Would Eventually Get Noticed and one thing would lead to another and.......The next thing ya know You would see a story here and there! Then as it reached critcal mass Our Cause would become the Watch word of the Day! Only We would not even begin to let Up ! They would begin to probe and investigate and all kinds of graft and corruption by Govt& Corporate officials would begin to surface ! The Govs bought off by Drug Companies and other Corporate types! The Abuses our DEA and FDA commit everyday! The DEA's ABUSE OF Doctors and the Doctors who are Bought Off! It Would Snowball until The Govs were so humiliated and exposed that some would resign and make way for new blood with new thinking! And some would want to keep gettin votes so they would take action and start to earn their exhorbitant salaries ! All revolutions start with an Idea Ya'll! You see, The Govs use the media to scam us everyday into thinkin they care about us when in realty they only care about their agenda! (THIS GOES FOR DemHippocritocRATS and Repulloneoveronuslicans alike)! The media Keeps lettin themselves be used to scam us cause they wanna sell stuff and push their hidden agendas! ! LETS TURN IT AROUND AND MAKE THEM THEIR OWN WORST ENEMIES! What do Ya All Say, HUH? Ya'll have my permission to Copy And Paste this to any forum, to any newsgroup! Blog It! Get the rumour mill goin! Copy and paste any sections to any Editorial of any newspaper! I AM NOT JUST TALKIN ABOUT OUR MED PROBLEMS EITHER! This method could be used for just about any Constitutional Right anyone feels has been trampled!! IT Will Only Work Though If It Is done "En Masse" , By All Who Can Pick Up A Pen, A Phone, Type On A Computer,or Know Someone Who Can Do these things For Them! Remember THE PAPER TRAIL CREATES THE MOST ACTION ! If one Computer Hacker Or a One Worthless Rumour Can Cause a DoS(Denial of Service) in the System! Then think of what We could all cause: DoSoS(Denial of Same old Stuff) on the News! Come On ! WE Can Do It! Everyone , start a Web Page On a Free Webhoster ! Even DB offers A FREE WEBPAGE To Any That Start A Cause DB also has a list of every conceivable WebSite for Govt and others! Sit Down And create a letter ! Use some of my posting if You want or if you agree! Begin the mass Emailing to all Media Outlets and their suboutlets and subsuboutlets! I have endless URL's of Orgs tryin to change things ! They have all made one big mistake, overlooked the obvious! WE ALL HAVE TO BE OF ONE VOICE! WE do Not HAve to Agree on Everything but The Issue of Pain & Suffering! OUR Right To MAkE Our Own Decisions Has Been Stolen From US!!! It IS TIME To GET IT BACK!! IT IS TIME FOR The "POWERS THAT BE" TO BE SCARED OF US!!
IT REALLY IS TRUE YA"LL,,
>THE POWER OF THE PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD!! The Bill Of Rights And The US Constitution have caused more effort to change in Human Rights to This Day than any Army on Earth!! Please, Do not Pm Me, I Have already Been OVERWHELMED by So Many of You Wanting OP Info As It Is! I am only One Person and I am in Constant Pain ! This One Post Took Me 6 Hours! As Do all my posts! Do A search On My UserName If You Want TO read My posts! Go To Google and Type In such Keywords as "War On Drugs" "Harm Reduction" "Pain Orgs" Etc! Hell You can even Google Me! Hell, google You!! I Will be Posting URL's Of Interest an Activism in The Days To Come! If we begin contacting Every Org we can and spread My Idea I Swear You Will See Mountains Moving Soon! I Am making One Hell of An Effort Here Folks! I can't Do IT ALONE! NONE OF US CAN! I am even considering being So Bold(and Stupid) As to Make My Name Known, To put My A$$ on The LINE For All OF US! Are Any Of You Willing To Do The Same? I Do Not Expect That At All! Nor Do I want That! I just Want You ALL To Start The Process From The Privacy of Your Homes With ME!
Believe Me, I do NOT WANT Followers ! I want YOU All TO Take Your Own LEAD! I Do NOT Want To Be FAMOUS! I JUST WANT WHAT WE ALL WANT; TO BE FREE AND RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN ACTIONS!! THAT IS ALL! GET BUSY!! POST POST POST!!! Get On D' BandAgin Wagon !
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WickedNoah
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We've won a battle without realizing it - hydro compounds are Schedule III and there was a mighty effort from some states and a few Senators to get it bumped to Schedule II, even when compounded, so we really ought to celebrate.
There ARE too many of us to ignore. At the very very least, we can expect that hydro with ibuprofen or APAP will NEVER become Schedule II, like anything containing oxycodone is. It makes hydro so much easier to prescribe than oxy, and I'd bet that putting oxy at Schedule II has been second-guessed once or twice!!!
So with tramadol not scheduled, hydro compounds staying at Schecule III, and the federal scheduling of Soma not going anywhere, we can afford to take a breather..... I don't mean to ask people to stop the fight, but in a bizarre way we have allies in the pharm industry to keep at least these three meds the way they are; and we can trust them to keep Congress silent about any changes.
Noah.
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MRNUTTY
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Then had the nerve to tell me there was no other medication like vicodin, that all there was were NSAID's (ibuprofen, bextra) after the MRI and more bullcrap he finally gave me a few DARVOCET which is Best if kept off the board anyway.
if it makes you feel any better gastrointestinal complictions due to the use of NSAID's account for 12,000 deaths a year. how many people are getting killed "on the books" by darvocet? luckily the physical therapy for one part of my back has let me stop the use of NSAID's for the other part of my back. it's a vicious circle. if i'm doomed to cronic pain for the rest of my life i at least want to be recognized as handicapped
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Wow Timothy Leary Lives... Thank you Mr. President. {:-) You got my vote....Sammyboy
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There is always someone around to hijack a thread and parrot politcal party lines as if the other party is going to magically make it better. 
Feinstein is trying to take away OPs, by the way. And to which party does she belong? This is not a partisan issue, it's an issue with the government at large.
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There is always someone around to hijack a thread and parrot politcal party lines as if the other party is going to magically make it better.
Feinstein is trying to take away OPs, by the way. And to which party does she belong? This is not a partisan issue, it's an issue with the government at large.
wasnt Feinstein also a big ANTI-gun person and was against ppl carrying conceleaded weapons, then she got pulled over with a concealed firearm!!!!!! lol when asked why she stated "I need it for protection" this is what I read on a PAINTBALL FORUM like this one.
so I dont know if it has any truth or not just what i read .
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PPL don't argue over ideas or possible solutions, but instead argue to assert their egos and release frustration. Once U realize this, U will neither argue nor take arguments seriously
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