Julz
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MURDERERS serve less time than this. CHILD MOLESTORS serve less time than this. CHILD PORNOGRAPHERS serve less time than this. I can't even begin to describe my horror and disgust over this situation. What is wrong with the law makers in this country when they will sentence someone for a crime of this nature to more time in prison than some sick b*stard who violates a three year old??
I couldn't agree with you more, gottadoit!
As for those who have included the federal government in this decision regarding R. Paey, wasn't this a STATE case?
What does our troops in Iraq have to do with this topic?
JMO,
Julz
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tortie2
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Lardaman and Johng -
We have "LIBERATED" Afghanistan and Iraq?? If you truly believe that I've got some land in Nevada you might be interested in!! Once again, I'm not going to waste my time refuting your statements (Ocean did that accurately and comprehensively in the previous thread we were all participating in - and then virtually the entire thread was deleted by Drugbuyers).
Anyway, with a new administration likely to be voted in, in November, I believe we will have a much better chance of improving laws regulating the distribution of adequate pain medication for chronic pain sufferers. At least, I think a new administration would be more amenable to at least considering rational arguments about the need for reform in our drug laws.
Regards -
tortie2
P.S. Lablady, I coudn't agree with you more...
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redhill
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As much as I feel for anyone sufferring in pain, stealing a prescription pad to write your own prescriptions is worthy of jail time.
All of the other factors in this event cannot defend this action.
Let's keep a few things in mind, shall we?
First of all, even if, iif it was worthy of a jail sentence, do you really think it's justified that this be a 25-year mandatory sentence?
Shall we also keep in mind that a person consumed with pain may not be thinking very clearly? Maybe he has one priority and that is to suffer less?
Also it is a matter of one person's word against another. His former doctor sold him out, but for all we know, this doctor is a lying piece of Best if kept off the board, and for all we know he did at one point say he could use the prescriptions if he really needed to.
Bottom line: NOTHING justifies these beastly sentences. They are not even well-thought out. They are mandatory, no thought need go into in. We put the pills on a scale WITH the Tylenol and FILLER, weigh it all, and decide that that weight is pure contraband for our judging purposes.
The legal system makes me sick.
I feel there should be no prison sentences for drug crimes that are non-violent, but UNTIL we clear up this mess and change drug laws for the better, let Rush Limbaugh fight for change from his gaol cell, since he is equally guilty. He's just better connected.
Red.
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ReardenMetal
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Surely the government could put $50 Billion/year to better use than the 'war on drugs'?
The government is no longer about doing what is best for the people, but doing whatever best gets off the power-junky politicians.
From 1984:
'You understand well enough ~how~ the party maintains
itself in power. Now tell me ~why~ we cling to power. What
is our motive? Why should we want power? Go on, speak,' he
added as Winston remained silent.
[...]
Nevertheless Winston did not speak for another moment or
two.
[...]
'You are ruling over us for our own good,' he said
feebly. 'You believe that human beings are not fit to govern
themselves, and therefore -
He started and almost cried out. A pang of pain had shot
through his body. O'Brien had pushed the lever of the dial
up to thirty-five.
'That was stupid, Winston, stupid!' he said. 'You should
know better than to say a thing like that.'
He pulled the lever back and continued:
'Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is
this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We
are not interested in the good of others; we are interested
solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or
happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you
will understand presently. We are different from the
oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing.
All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were
cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian
Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they
never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They
pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized
power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just
round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings
would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that
no one seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it.
Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a
dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes
the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The
object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture
is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin
to understand me?'
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PIGINPAIN
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$50 BILLION??? Multiply that by 30 and you'll get closer, no joke. I prepared a 26 page research paper on the war on drugs in college. I only got a B because the prof. did not like the fact that I was critical of the govt. and suggested that using the estimated 1.3 trillion it spends on the war on drugs each year on treatment centers/education would be a better idea. So much for free thinking...
I won't release the paper because I am using it for a large portion of my thesis, but I will gladly provide anyone with a rough idea of how to calculate it themselves. PM me...
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buey
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Loc: USA
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We liberated Afghanistan & Iraq. We are proud of that.... it shows your true color; "liberal". You are in the minority.
Liberated them? ROFLOL! Ask the Iraqi people how happy they are that we are there.
I'm a proud liberal and as far as being in the minority, guess again. Who won the popular vote? Gore or Bush?
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buey
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Reged: 01/15/03
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Loc: USA
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Oh let me add one thing....
This is just in my immediate family. One brother and his wife are registered Republicans. In the last election they could not bring themselves to vote for Bush/Cheney and voted for Gore. They are both voting for Kerry in November. Hubby is non affiliated but generally votes Republican. He also voted for Gore in the last election and is voting for Kerry this time around. Face it...your boy is out.
Anyone seen Michael Moore's new movie? I haven't yet but from what I have read and heard about it, I have a feeling it's going to be a huge eye opener for a lot of people.
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patient2all
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I don't understand how the Florida Judiciary can look themselves in the eye after sentencing this man to 25 years for forged Rx's. Yes, he was wrong, how about 3 years probation?
Son of Sam got 25 to life. Mobsters with murders under their belts get sympathy from judges due to lesser medical conditions than MS compounded with his other ailments. The media, don't care if it's left or right, must shame the state of Florida for torturing this man. He's probably not the only one in this situation. Just imagine what poor minorities, with no media attention, enduring serious illness must be suffering for non-violent drug crimes in Florida. I'm assuming Mr. Paey was white, I could be wrong.
If an able bodied person had stolen an Rx pad to deal or support a habit, I can't see them getting more than 1 year in most jurisdictions. Bubba Law (no offense Southerners, I'm just mad) is very different than US Law. And US Law is almost as draconian when it comes to drug crime sentencing.
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It's a sad world, getting sadder by the day....
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floridagator
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No one to blame but ourselves, we voted these idiots in
for some unknown reason!
Maybe this coming election all of us should see where the
candidates stand on the issues of pain control.
" Vote these f' ers out of office "
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buey
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Reged: 01/15/03
Posts: 453
Loc: USA
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I don't understand how the Florida Judiciary can look themselves in the eye after sentencing this man to 25 years for forged Rx's. Yes, he was wrong, how about 3 years probation?
Son of Sam got 25 to life. Mobsters with murders under their belts get sympathy from judges due to lesser medical conditions than MS compounded with his other ailments. The media, don't care if it's left or right, must shame the state of Florida for torturing this man. He's probably not the only one in this situation. Just imagine what poor minorities, with no media attention, enduring serious illness must be suffering for non-violent drug crimes in Florida. I'm assuming Mr. Paey was white, I could be wrong.
If an able bodied person had stolen an Rx pad to deal or support a habit, I can't see them getting more than 1 year in most jurisdictions. Bubba Law (no offense Southerners, I'm just mad) is very different than US Law. And US Law is almost as draconian when it comes to drug crime sentencing.
They offered to plea him out. He refused. He claims he did nothing wrong because he was only trying to treat his pain and no doctor would help him.
You can't blatantly break the law and expect an exception because you feel you have a good reason to break it. He should have taken the plea deal. I think it was house arrest for a period of time, than probation.
Also, there ARE other alternatives. He may have felt desperate, but he and his wife could have done a little research. All it takes is the www. He could have used an OP like the rest of us. He could have gone on Skip Baker's website and found a clinic with a doctor who was opiate "friendly". Yes, it would have entailed some travel, but it sure beats forging scripts and going to prison.
I feel sorry for this guy, but he was pretty foolish.
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jaap
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25 YEARS???????? FOR THAT????? Shouldn't he receive (medical) help instead of prison?
Thank God I'm not living in the USA, this really is one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard of in my whole life. I'm happy to live somewhere where something like this is impossible.
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TLM2
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If he did steal the rx pads then yep! Jail, part of the problem here is him doing time for traffiking. The way the law is written and interpreted puts him in the "traffiking" catagory.. I dont think he should have been labeled and charged as a traffiker, even the prosecutor said he didnt think he was selling the meds... Also, the mandatory minimum is CRAZY!!! There are murderers doing less than half that time for there crimes.. Something is askew..
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT THESE MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES ARE OUTRAGEOUS. Yes this guy need the pain meds, and obtained them illegally. But to receive a sentence that is equivolent - if not more - than a murderer, is a travesty.
Federal Judges have resigned because of the mandatory minimum laws in place right now. The DEA and our US government are using these draconian mandatory minimum laws related to drug trafficking a money laundrying to threaten and intimidate people into plea bargaining in cases. Because if a person loses in Court, the jury has no say at all in their sentencing - neither does the Judge.
Right now my husband's medical license has been temporarily suspended for working for OPs. He has the chance of being indicted for drug trafficking. My husband hasn't even had an automobile traffic ticket. If charged, he could be facing 25 years in prison for drug trafficking. We, however, will not accept a plea bargain of any jail time or home incarceration. My husband's attorney maintains my husband has done nothing wrong, and that he can win if this goes to trial.
I can tell you that after what we have gone through and still have to go through, we do not have much confidence in the justice system in this country.
After this is over, moving to Belize is looking better and better.
TLM2
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TLM2
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[What does our troops in Iraq have to do with this topic?
JMO,
Julz
I agree.
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neonsign2003
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Reged: 12/26/02
Posts: 468
Loc: midwest
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Our troops are fightig for America, These laws are made by the pigs in AMERIKA! 25Years!
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kikigrll
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Reged: 08/27/04
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I recently read that Dr. Bryson got 2 yrs. in prison and 3 years of supervised probation for helping chronic pain patients on-line. Why jail for trying to help sick people? Something needs to change.
KiKi
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