PrivateRealm
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No, I am not pregnant, but 2 of my friends are (actually many are, but I am worried about these 2). One has been taking (abusing ie:no medical need) hydro for 2 years, is pregnant and hasn't been able to stop. The other friend was given a script for back pain for short term use from a dr. and has taken this as permission to justify buying it online and taking it through out the pregnancy. Of course I am sure she left out the pregnancy part on the forms for her consults, or however she is getting them.
I had a friend go through rehab for hydro abuse during one of her pregnancies, and I know that hydro is in class "c" for pregnancy, but is only meant for short term use when absolutely necessary.
Now, I by no means, can do anything about what they are doing, but was wondering if anyone has any info on pregnancy and long term hydro usage, and any problems this may bring. Of course I know there can be definate problems when a baby is born and starts going through withdrawls, and the mother is tested and so on.
Any one in the medical field with any input??
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Sensational
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Hi,
I am not a medical person. But, just a F.Y.I.. . .It is one thing to have to take hydro for pain during pregnancy. I had 3 kids...had a horrible toothache turn into root canal. My obs. said, "if Mom is in pain so is baby, treat the pain correctly and both will be fine"
Flip side...the same as you, my friend did the hydro for NO reason as was on them for years. The baby was born addicted. They called DCSF...and tested the Mom and baby and was able to tell the amount of hydro. It was sky high! They took the baby, and she had to do counseling and court. It is now 9 months later and she is have supervised visits by the court. Tell your friend to GET OFF. Or-make the gyney awhere of the situation. I no suboxone is out for pregnacy. Taper Taper Taper. . . Good Luck!
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tb1218
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When I was pregnant and sprained my ankle they would give absolutely no pain meds and told me tylenol only since aspirin is a no no too while pregnant. I suppose short term (a few days wouldnt cause harm) but what you feed yourself you feed your unborn baby. Even while breastfeeding you will generally not be prescribed any scheduled meds.
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Sensational
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Hi,
You are absolutely right about the asprin! NONE!
Also, all Doctors are different,dahhhhh, but I wanted to say...I respected my OB alot. It was a group of 4. Rest assured with my first baby I would ask all 4 Docs the same questions. I had 3 c-sections and during the last one, they removed a lot of scare tissue. Anyway, I had anticipated nursing. The pain was intense. I was explained to by the nurse and Doc that yes the drug will pass thru during nursing, BUT!!! if used as presribed and only for the first few days(3-4) the baby might be a little sleepy, but will not harm him. They also suggested either pumping or feeding before taking the pills. Most scripted for 1-2 every 4/6 for pain. Feed before taking meds! It is a catch 22. I have a high tolerence to pain and the last c-section was horrible!!!!! If I did not take meds the first few days, I would not have been able to care for the baby! Oh the joys of Motherhood!
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yawkaw3
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I can tell you that withdrawals are much worse for the baby than the actual opioid. Babies are born to methadone-dependent mothers every day. But babies can also be harmed and killed if the mother goes into opioid withdrawal during the pregnancy.
I have a feeling this person is not able to keep a constant supply and does go through withdrawal sometimes- that is going to be dangerous here.
She needs to go to a methadone clinic and spill the beans. They will know exactly how to handle this so the baby can live. Will they call CPS? I doubt it- the mother *IS* seeking help for a problem- it's not like she didn't and kept using. I would imagine it is more of a state-by-state thing, but don't know that for a fact- I'd call CPS from a payphone and ask, or evne the methadone clinic.
Tell her I said good luck.
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buey
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Yep, I would tell her to get some professional help on this one. She HAS to get off the hydro. My heart goes out to these babies. It's so unfair to do this to your own child. He/she is going to go through hell with WDs after birth if she doesn't stop taking these drugs.
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wantabewell
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PrivateRealm,
I'm new here, but I had to reply to your post. I am a nurse and a part of me wants to get really technical here, but I will say this....
Part of the effects will be determined per factors of the number of weeks she is pregnant and how much of the drug she is taking on a daily basis. None of what is going to happen has a positive that I can think of.
My heart wants me to tell you a quick tale...This is what happened to me. I was pregnant with my 2nd, my son, I had managed to pass numerous Kidney stones without meds. During the sixth through the ninth months I had ammassed a record number of stones and needed some relief as well as immediate surgery. I was scared to death. I had a total of 28 stoned while carrying him. The ob gave me a similar med.... I was relieved of pain with minimal doses, but still questioned my ob and myself every stupid pill I had to swallow. To cut it all short...the meds had a nasty side effect on me that I didn't care for, they made me nervous and felt very much like maybe ephedrine can make you feel. Well, I began to have alot of fluttering and kicking from the baby and thought maybe he was getting the same nervous effects from the med. In the end, I know that I was right. My son had done so many acrobatic moves in my tummy that he was born in distress with a cord around his neck and the thing I blame on myself is the "TRUE KNOT" he had. I think those meds made him be so overactive and turned and flipped in there until he got that cord knotted. There is a 98% fatality rate with true knots. They photographed me and the baby and the cord and it was whispered all over the maternity ward.
I think all the time that I should have never taken anything and that my son could very well have been deceased at birth.
It's a hard thing for your friend and I know for you too. Just keep passing all these stories and knowledge on to her.Maybe she will heed someone's advice eventually or she will face a judge and then have to face herself for the rest of her life in that mirror.
Please know I am just trying to help and pass along my personal experience with taking a Narcotic during pregnancy. I hope she makes a decision soon.
Good Luck to you.
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night_shade
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This came up awhile back when I posted about my pregnant friend who was using a number of dangerous Rx drugs.
In this state ALL newborns are drug tested, and if the baby comes up positive for any illicit or unprescribed drug (yes, they test for commonly abused Rx drugs, too) CPS WILL take the baby and the mother will have to go to court.
Yawkaw's idea about methadone maintenance is by far the most sensible thing this woman can do. They will often bypass waiting lists for pregnant women. Many states (or even the clincis themselves) offer financial assistance for MMT if the patient is low-income.
Here is the previous thread about Pregnancy and Medications
Good luck!
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I was in two really bad car crashes. Neither was my fault. Ironically the second crash the person that hit me had one eye and I was sitting in his blind spot. Anyway, I have multiple problems. I am a mother of three. I had two of my children before the auto accidents. Anyway, when I got preg with my third I was on oxy. I was in a pain mgt program. Anyway, I stopped taking it. They put me on darvocet just as needed. NO ASPIRIN. (Aspirin promotes bleeding) Anyway, things were pretty tough. I had been taking four to five oxy's a day for four years but all I could think about was this baby. Anyway, later in my pregnancy after the second trimester they gave me lorcet for pain. The day I had my third I took two darvocets. I had a csection and they put me to sleep. They were concerned about the baby having withdrawals. Miraculously he didn't have ANY. Amazing. He was/is perfectly happy and healthy. Actually he has been the healthiest child so far. Go figure. I did a lot of praying. Sorry for the long post but I really tossed and turned over this one. Every time I had to take something I agonized and then I felt guilty. But everything worked out. Get your friend some professional help. If that baby is born with birth defects it will be terrible. Please help her. With love, Curiousdee
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DailyPain
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I'm new here but when I saw this I thought I just had to post! Hope it's ok.
After working several years in the NICU (Neonatal Intensive Care Unit) it breaks my heart everyday that I go to work to see such sick babies! I was so amazed to see so many babies in there because their mother was selfish and decided to "fullfill her needs" and not think once about how it was affecting/going to affect that babies life. One thing that can really melt your heart is to watch a baby going through W/D. These babies need to be held/rocked constantly! They just lay there and cry for hours. It sad that at such a young age they have to take drugs for W/D. None of these babies ask for this and none of them deserve this! It's also sad to see these pregnant women who follow everything by the book, to the tee about being a healthy mom for their baby and then their baby is ill when born and then you have this selfish mothers that take anything and everything and their baby is sometimes healthy as can be. I do know that when we have these babies born with W/D; CPS IS contacted and more than likely...that baby will NOT go home with mom! The way it should be.
I don't know how far along your friend is but some NICU's will offer tours for mom's that know they're going to deliver early, etc. Maybe you can arrange for her to have a NICU tour just to see where she can spend the first few months of her babies life all because she "got her needs met". Although now days, you can't really "see" the baby up close due to the new laws of privacy.
Hope this wasn't too long, if it was I'm sorry. I just wish the best for your friend and hope she can realize what the outcome can/will be if she continues to take drugs while being pregnant.
Have a great pain free day!
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The saddest part of all of this is the poor neonate will be born and within 4-6 hours will be in terrible withdrawals...and doubtful the mom will fess up....anyone who would do this to an innocent infant should be shot!
There will be poor baby, crying ...no likely screaming, poor feeding and the hospital will no doubt run all kinds of tests to figure out whats wrong...with dear old mum staying quiet all the while....I hope her supply dries up & SHE goes through withdrawals so she can get a taste of what her infant will have to experience at birth.
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DailyPain
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Well, actually the good thing is...they do a drug tests on all moms and then when they're positive of course we do one on the baby as well. It's sad when I read reports come back that the baby is +meth, +cocaine +pot, etc. How can these mothers do this to someone so small and innocent!?
I don't know how many times we've had mothers come in in labor because they were drunk and in a street fight and that caused them to go in to labor! What are these women thinking?! Should I even call them women?? I'm sorry, it just makes me so angry! It just hurts to hold a baby going through W/D and you can;t seem to help it. And when the mom comes down to visit the baby you do everything you can from cussing her out to strangling her!
Anyway, I REALLY hope this girls friend gets help soon!!
Sorry to rant ya'll.
Take care!
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DailyPain
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You say "Abort".....that's not the answer for everything and also....sometimes we don't know that the mother/baby is positive for any kind of drug until born.
If I had my way I would have everyone's tubes tide when they were born and then when they are ready they would have to have a parenting license to have a baby later in life!
How I only wish that were true! I may sound harsh or ridiculous but when you see what I see everyday....maybe you would think the same thing! When you see a 1 pound baby lying there crying because it's going through W/D's from some satisfaction its mother did you may have the same feelings as me! Thanks for listening and I'm VERY sorry if I make anyone upset by my comments.
Thank you,
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It isn't worth responding to ignorant remarks such as the poster above.
He may as well said "suicide" to someone with an addiction problem. That's just stupid...hence my signature.
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Bender71
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I once knew someone who had a condition that caused her severe pain and she had a morphine pump hooked up to her. She got pregnant and she had to stay on the morphine, but she was closely monitered, and when the baby was born, they had to wean the baby slowly off of the morphine. Now this woman was not a "junky" acting selfishly, and luckily they had a plan of action for when the baby was born on how to deal with the babys withdrawls and getting him off of the morphine. But I am a mother of 3, and there is nothing I wouldn't do for my kids, I would give my life for my kids, and if I found out I was pregnant now, the first thing I would do is stop taking any medication that would harm my baby ( I don't have a condition like the person I mentioned above who had the morphine pump, she could not stop taking her meds, that was not an option). It is all a matter of being selfish.
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Daeshay76
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Abort is out of the question...that shouldnt of even been said IMO...I am a mother of 3 with 1 of the children not mine. I just got her last week she is a 6 year old little girl my friend didnt want to be a mom any longer so I took over. I have 2 boys of my own and when i was pregnant with my 2nd son Amir, i had these terrible headaches that would send me to the ER and there they would give me Stadol by injection these headaches in my first trimester would be once or twice a month and in my last stages of pregnancy they would be about 2-3 a week! I forgot to mention i was high risk during both my pregnancies because of me being diabetic...so my OB finally gave me t-3's which was to be taken as needed well i took them maybe once or twice a day and that was all...when my son was born he was great!! he was healthly being 6 weeks early he weighed 7 lbs 9 oz but when i went to the ER and they was giving me all those meds i thought for sure something might end up wrong and kept asking the Doc and he assured me everything would be fine because if i am in pain and stressed so is my baby and everytime i had one of those headaches i would also start having contractions....i hope you friend will go for help because she needs it not only for herself but that baby inside of her....if she doesnt want the baby because of her needs then she needs to give that baby to someone who can raise him/her because if she is so selfish into doing what she needs to do...who's to say she will not continue to do that and the baby does without?
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tone
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let me tell you about a little fear i have, and it may not be an unreasonable hypothesis either....
first of all id like to point out that lack of birth defects do not mean lack of problem. Birth Defects mean like blind, serious brain damage, missing fingers, that sort of not subtle thing. everyone whos born to later become a life long depressed person, or have a mental illness is catagorized as a perfectly healthy baby when they were born...those things are not seen as birth defects
now with that said, a fetus has a brain thats still devoloping right? its receptors are still forming, its neurons are still forming. how do you think its receptors are going to form when a mu agonist is in its devoloping brain? how do you know that wont cause it to devolop a lower reward pathway density and lower mu (endorphin)receptor density? i dont believe theres enough data to know. and if it does cause a negative change in receptor densities devolopment in the areas of the brain which opioids affect, that baby will grow up to experience more dysphoria and mental pain and less pleasure. that would be so horrible i dont even want to think about it. im no expert in this but i dont think the experts know and this is something i fear. correct me if im wrong but we just dont know what having extra 'artifical endorphins' if you will, would do to the devoloping areas of the brain that they affect
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PrivateRealm
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Well, she will not abort, and the other one is on the meds still and is due in a week. The one that I am really worried about is around 10 weeks. She has a 2 year old daughter as well. She has no medical need for this medicine, and like I sadi, has been taking about 8 10 mg hydro's a day now for the past 2 years. She knows she needs nhelp. I just hope she gets the help she needs from her OB, and was wondering what kind of help was out there. BTW, the father knows nothing of this, he hates even that she is smoking, let alone if he knew about this. No way is he any support.
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DailyPain
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I'm really sorry that your friend has not stopped this. I'm sure it just eats at you knowing that she's doing this and you keep thinking what you can do to stop her. How open is the babies father? Like if you talked to him about it. You said he didn't have a clue. Do you think he would be on your side and more willing to help her? I just feel really bad for you having to go through this. I would feel helpless. I sure hope she gets the help she deserves before it's too late. With her only being 10 wks she needs to be careful of a miscarriage also. Hope things pan out soon. Keep us posted. Take care.
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unfortunately, coming up positive for hydro on a test post birth can easily be explained away...and isn't likely to get the same attention as being positive for an illicit drug...
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Julz
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The baby will be born addicted. Also, being on this drug throughout her entire pregnancy may effect the baby's bone development.
May God have mercy on this woman & her baby!
Peace,
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Tred
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I would have to agree with the above posters. This is a bad thing, in a way it's like a mild heroin-baby. Nothing close ,but to be honest Tone said things that are my same concerns (not the Abort part, just the receptors part). Good luck with this all and I hope the kid doesn't come out-loosing this battle called life, right from the start.
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PrivateRealm
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unfortunately, coming up positive for hydro on a test post birth can easily be explained away...and isn't likely to get the same attention as being positive for an illicit drug...
Yes, but a baby being addicted is different than a mother testing positive.
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PrivateRealm
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I am wanting to bump this up. One friend had her baby prematurely, and he is still in the hospital and going through withdrawls. The friend that I am really worried about is still taking them and sees nothing wrong with getting tham from OP's that she had failed to mention the fact that she is pregnant. Her OB told her that while he doesn't recommend them, their have been pregnant women who are prescribed to take them. Well, she has taken this as free reign to take them daily, at least 5 a day. She didn't tell him that the Dr. is an OP who doesn't know ahe is pregnant, nor that she is not taking them for a medical condition. She takes them simply to take them and to avoid withdrawls. I have talked to her on this subject, but she seems to think it is not going to hurt her or the baby.
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There has been some research in rats given hydro while pregnant--some of the babies were born blind. The broad theory being that hydro use during pregnancy could effect eye development in the fetus and perhaps lead to blindness. Tell you friends ween,ween,ween-they will make themselves proud and bare healthy babies.
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