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cleo911
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Re: Discussions on DB affect OP Raids? [Re: yawkaw3]
      #174631 - 07/16/04 07:33 AM

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Anyone remember The Hive? It was a messageboard about manufacturing drugs, mostly chemistry discussion.

The feds busted several people who were bragging a bit much about what they'd done. Turns out what they said they had done was an understatement- one guy got particularly screwed, Eleusis.

Do a search on this if you're interested. They definitely do read messageboards.

-yawkaw




Wow, Eleusis got busted I used to hang out there all the time, at the old board. Did they ever catch up with Spitball? And wasn't hey_man busted?


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flippie
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Re: Discussions on DB affect OP Raids? [Re: cleo911]
      #174635 - 07/16/04 08:21 AM

If hey_man was busted, its news to me.

Elusis got popped over his girlfriend, she ran her mouth. Nothing at all to do with Hive. He posted almost exclusively on Usenet anyway, on a.d and then after it was created, on a.d.c, my own former home away from home prior to The Hive. I just got tired of all of the "how can i make meth" and "how many vicks inhalers do i need?" (overlooking the concept of stereochemistry entirely) - the social fabric of the Internet has changed a lot when the floodgates were opened by people like The Well, Portal, Delphi and eventually AOL and ma and pa ISPs. When that happened, there was a lot more conversation and some fresh ideas, which are always a good thing, but the signal:noise ratio went WAY up, and Hive became a nice quiet off-ramp from the stupidity.

I remember one post where Drone, a total guru chemist, was describing some complex situation involving LSD on the Advanced Methods board - it was like reading Latin, it was so obscure - then someone jumped into the middle of it and said "LSD actually comes from a fungus, you know - and it is also in Hawaiian Rosewood Seeds!" Oh my goddess, just the sudden contrast of trying to understand this brilliant man's description of whatever it was, and suddenly seeing that post. It was like suddenly going from Dennis Miller to Richard Pryor, only even more so. I almost had to get stitches from falling over backward laughing, but it was just so unexpected.

SB got busted because a junkie bimbo he knew sold him out. That is all that needs to be said about that.


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Re: Discussions on DB affect OP Raids? [Re: cleo911]
      #174643 - 07/16/04 08:48 AM

I'm just replying to the last poster, not directed at anyone.

I really think some of you posted stuff that didn't need to be posted here. This is not a recreational board, nor is it about making drugs- I was only making the point that people should watch what they say about doing something illegal.

I disagree that the posts had nothing to do with the busts, and I never said the board was shut down.

But I could be wrong about what role the posts played in the investigation- I think only the feds know, so my mistake, I was not a member of that board- I just heard very different stories.

-yawkaw


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flippie
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Re: Discussions on DB affect OP Raids? [Re: yawkaw3]
      #174646 - 07/16/04 09:10 AM

You are undoubtedly right, someone just mentioned the Hive and any coincidence between the posts and the few rare arrests of the people on the board, so I demonstrated with a few links how easily the feds can monitor these sorts of boards.

There were only a few people on that entire board who ever ended up getting arrested, Elusis NOT being one of them (that was 100% unrelated) and the posts made by the few who did get arrested had absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, although I don't have WestLaw or Lexis in front of me, I'd be willing to bet that in most of these few cases, the law may not even realize that the people they arrested were participants on The Hive at all.

I agree that I went too far talking about recreational stuff, that was a (minor, in light of many other posts but nonetheless) mistake.

But as far as conversation regarding the security of posting on THIS board, I think the references to Hive are very relevent - they were unrelated to the arrests, and these are people who are openly discussing things that are unquestionablty illegal. One of them (actually one of the few who ended up arrested) posted a photo of himself holding up a 50 litre flask with the caption "WEAPON OF WAR" under it. These people were NOT subtle, and yet their posts had no correlation to their arrests. In the two major cases in fact, it was a woman who essentially broke down and "narked" as it were. The cops who made the arrests had almost certainly never even heard of The Hive before.

And once again, check out some of the boards that have been around for more years than the graphical Internet (heh) about security, which is now blatently illegal to even discuss now, under DMCA. Look at how heavily OPs advertise, and how many times a day do your junkmail accounts get hit with a "satellite service or digital cable for free!" email, and search around to find the BBS where people openly discuss these federal crimes.

My point, finally, is that the feds have read every word on this BBS since it started, and they will read every word posted on it until the operator decides to shut it down for whatever reason. They may use us as a sort of litmus paper - they may get a feeling for our society through our posts, and decide what miniscule percentage IF ANY of us are buying en masse and reselling, or committing other REAL crimes. But I think that any report written on this particular site would indicate that we are a small, very slow to grow subculture of people who are already very familiar with our own medical needs, and very few of us are hurting anyone or reselling scheduled drugs. Obviously they are right, and although posts like mine above about acid don't help, please note the "past-tense" tone in the overall reference to recreational usage.

I think I would like to add to the demographics that this site gives the feds that although it is far from the normal here, there ARE some us who use or who have used drugs recreationally, and even those of us who have are able to outgrow our young and irresponsible behavior and become productive, tax-paying voters.

Do you know anyone who has a teenage kid who uses drugs? Don't you hope that is how they turn out, even in a world where they can point and click narcotics, if they wanted to? Let's show the feds and their profilers that it happens.

BTW I love your avitar


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