ReardenMetal
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Simple question really, can narc dogs detect synthetic opiates? Thanx in advance.
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Dasani
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Only if they have been trained to do so. Until just recently, it was uncommon for K-9's to recieve this type of training, however, with the increase in synthetic narcotic abuse in recent years, more and more agencies have added this type of traing to their regimen.
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PIGINPAIN
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Dasani, 100% correct. The dogs smell individual components (ie we smell beef stew, they smell meat, carrots, etc). With heroin dogs smell codiene, morphine, etc. With synthetics there are only individual chemicals to smell. Dogs didn't know what combination to look for, but know they are including this more and more. The problem is that there are sooooo many combinations in the synthetic world...
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potatoboy99
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In my (admittedly limited) personal experience, the answer is No.
Last week I was returning from Europe and cleared immigration at JFK. While I was waiting for my checked bags two officers with a trained dog came around, and the dog went crazy for my carry on bag, as if it contained a pound of marijuana or something really interesting. I got pulled aside into an examination room and my bag was searched.
What the dog was reacting to, it turned out, was a bottle containing Cephlexen antibiotic capsules, which I was taking to treat a lingering skin infection.
I had a script bottle with several hydro tabs (Watson 10/325) in my pocket, and the dogs completely ignored it.
Interesting.
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4Now
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Loc: USA
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If trained, they can detect anything including the ink used for U.S. currency...
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flippie
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Dogs can be trained to smell anything they want.
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/0/5BE30F4DE7FBACCE85256DC1005A9492?opendocument
I remember many years ago, some advocates of old Abbie Hoffman were suggesting that the general public buy some of the concentrated scent chemicals they use to train dogs with (they arent trained with real pot or real C4, at least not always) so they encouraged everyone to buy the chemical that smelled like pot or cocaine, and spread it in every public mailbox you see as often as you can.
If enough people did it, it would make sniffing the mail worthless, or so was the idea.
Natutally I wouldn't WANT to mess with the mail nowdays - let the dogs do their best smelling ever, and keep our postal people and our public safe.
(Yes I am willing to trade a tiny bit of liberty for a large amount of security, in the same way that I will not allow the 1st Ammendment to give some jerk the right to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theatre).
Sorry got off topic again - I DO know they can smell K's, dunno about O's or H's but I'd assume so.
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PIGINPAIN
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Flippie- I strongly object to your argument about 1st amendment rights. If there is a fire in a theater I think even a jerk should be allowed to yell about it.
SORRY FOLKS I JUST COULDN'T RESIST A LITTLE HUMOR TODAY!  
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flippie
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heh Okay I'll take the bait - I actually DO believe that people should be allowed to stand up and yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre - I just think people should realize that it could put innocent people at risk, and also disrupt their enjoyment of the film, and so they wouldn't ever think to.
I believe that we shouldn't need laws to tell us what to do, we should just inherently know the difference between right and wrong. But the vast differences in DNA and in environmental conditioning make that unrealistic, even silly sounding. No laws? W00 HOO!! 
But we both know that as a society, as a race, even as individuals, we aren't that "evolved" (or "infected with the self-responsibility memotype", for you fellow NLP weirdos)
We need laws, it's obvious. We need to protect ourselves FROM ourselves, to a reasonable extent. Imagine OTC crack cocaine for a moment, and what that would create. A nation of addicts, even if they could afford to support themselves, could you imagine the decisions and re-focus our entire country would undergo? We can make an argument that social change simply happens, that there is no real correct ultimate outcome of existance so nothing really matters anyhow - and like Communism, that might make sense for about five seconds, on paper.
But for those of us who want to enjoy our short few years on this planet and try our best to make the most of it, I think some reasonable laws are necessary. We really DO need protection from ourselves.
The big question, obviously, is how MUCH do we need, and from what?
As soon as laws become subject to interpretation, problems arise. And that won't stop, until we are all assimilated...
"Resistance is colorful"
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