jshnyda
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How long is a written script good for in Ohio? The pharmacist told me 6 months. I told him it was for a schedule II and he still said 6 months. Is this correct? If anyone knows please let me know.
Thanks,Jeff
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keystone
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I think federal law states 7 days.
GO TO this pharmacist tomorrow and fill your meds.
More feedback will follow.
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srw
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i think the pharmacist is right, most scripts are good for 6 months
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keystone
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Not CII's.
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PIGINPAIN
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I agree, I spent 20 minutes searching Ohio revised codes and found this as the only relevant reference:
§ 3719.05. Dispensing by pharmacist; sale of stock.
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(3) A schedule II controlled substance shall be dispensed only upon a written prescription, except that it may be dispensed upon an oral prescription in emergency situations as provided in the federal drug abuse control laws.
(4) A prescription for a schedule II controlled substance shall not be refilled.
You can search further if you'd like here:
Ohio code
Look under the following sections:
Ohio Revised Code
TITLE XXXVII HEALTH - SAFETY - MORALS
CHAPTER 3719 CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES
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roxeanne
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I cannot quote to you the specific statute, but I know that I have read that, under Federal Law, Schedule II prescriptions are fillable up to six months after they are written.
The DEA even has a recommendation for doctors who would like to dispense Sch. IIs for a period longer than 30 days. They say that it is illegal for the Doc to postdate the script; however, they can write several scripts, each dated for the day they were written and he or she can put instructions on the script for the pharmacist not to fill it until a certain date (say 30, 60 or 90 days).
This is how Docs can get around the "not refillable" restriction.
However, I don't think most docs do this. I'm not sure if they are unaware of this provision or if most just don't do it.
Like the emergency oral prescription provision, has anyone ever actually had a doc do this? My grandmother, who recently passed, was on schedule II pain patches. Her doc would send his nurse practitioner 26 miles to the nursing home to issue the script. Don't you think that could qualify as an emergency oral script?
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night_shade
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An interesting tidbit regarding Ohio law and the dispensing of any but Schedule II prescriptions. Essentially, if your doctor cannot be reached AND you regularly use that pharmacy to fill your meds AND you have no refills left on a drug OTHER THAN A SCHEDULE II substance, theoretically a pharmacist can prescribe that drug to you if they feel it would be in your best interest to do so. For example, a patient has been taking Ativan for a siezure problem and has run out of refills, it's a holiday weekend and neither the doctor nor his answering service can be reached. That patient has been filling their Ativan at that pharmacy for 9 months. The pharmacist knows 2 things: the patient could potentially die from benzodiazepine withdrawal AND that the patient may have siezures if the drug is NOT prescribed. Ohio law allows the pharmacist to prescribe in this situation. Copy and Paste from Ohio Pharmacy Board website:
IT IS OFTEN DIFFICULT IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO REACH A PRESCRIBER IN THE EVENING OR ON WEEKENDS AND REQUEST AUTHORIZATION TO REFILL A PRESCRIPTION FOR A PATIENT. CAN I DISPENSE ENOUGH OF THE MEDICATION UNTIL I REACH THE PRESCRIBER FOR AUTHORIZATION AND/OR A NEW PRESCRIPTION?
Ohio Revised Code Section 4729.281 was enacted by the Ohio General Assembly in July, 1998 and authorizes a pharmacist to dispense any drug other than Schedule II controlled substances to patients when all of the authorized refills have been used and the prescriber cannot be contacted. The law reads as follows:
Section 4729.281
(A) A pharmacist may dispense or sell a dangerous drug, other than a schedule II controlled substance as defined in section 3719.01 of the Revised Code, without a written or oral prescription from a licensed health professional authorized to prescribe drugs if all of the following conditions are met:
(1) The pharmacy at which the pharmacist works has a record of a prescription for the drug in the name of the patient who is requesting it, but the prescription does not provide for a refill or the time permitted by rules adopted by the state board of pharmacy for providing refills has elapsed.
(2) The pharmacist is unable to obtain authorization to refill the prescription from the health care professional who issued the prescription or another health professional responsible for the patient's care.
(3) In the exercise of the pharmacist's professional judgment:
(a) The drug is essential to sustain the life of the patient or continue therapy for a chronic condition of the patient.
(b) Failure to dispense or sell the drug to the patient could result in harm to the health of the patient.
(4) The amount of the drug that is dispensed or sold under this section does not exceed a seventy-two hour supply as provided in the prescription.
(B) A pharmacist who dispenses or sells a drug under this section shall do all of the following:
(1) For one year after the date of dispensing or sale, maintain a record in accordance with this chapter of the drug dispensed or sold, including the name and address of the patient and the individual receiving the drug, if the individual receiving the drug is not the patient, the amount dispensed or sold, and the original prescription number;
(2) Notify the health professional who issued the prescription described in division (A)(1) of this section or another health professional responsible for the patient's care not later than seventy-two hours after the drug is sold or dispensed;
(3) If applicable, obtain authorization for additional dispensing from one of the health professionals described in division (B)(2) of this section.
(C) A pharmacist who dispenses or sells a drug under this section may do so once for each prescription described in division (A)(1) of this section.
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Mercedes116x
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I believe when I worked at Walgreens in MI that it was like only five days, but they recently changed it to 60 days from the time it is written for Schedule II. People were always bringing in scripts that had expired and we could not call the doctor on those because they had to be handwritten from the doctor and I guess MI decided to change it. Any scripts that were not schedule II were good for six months from the time they were written. That meant that all refills had to be filled within this time. And also it was common for us to give patients that were out of pills enough to get them through till they could get refills from the doctor, but this did not include any narcotic medications. Every state is different though. All you have to do is call a local pharmacy. Asking these kind of questions on this board is a waste of time.
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PIGINPAIN
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Trampy- I must have missed it because I looked for a section related to C-II time limits and couldn't find it anywhere in 21CFR1308 link. I did find something on the DEA site under 21USC1306.1-1306.11, but it still doesn't give a federal time limit, unless it is a "partial fill" and then the limit is 72 hours.
Could you post the link to the specific section including subsection, it would be a good reference to have. Thanks,
Here is the DEA Diversion site:
DEA
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LumbarSpasm
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I was looking around trying to find a limit on Cll scripts.
I found this:
07-04-0004--TIME LIMIT ON A NEW SCHEDULE II PRESCRIPTION Prescriptions written for Schedule II controlled substances may be dispensed up to six (6) months from the date written if the pharmacist is certain of the validity of the prescription. An exception to this would be prescriptions written for a patient classified as terminally ill or a long-term-care facility patient and these prescriptions are valid for 60 days from date of issue and may be partially filled. (2/15/95, Amended 10/14/97)
The above is from
arkansas
I assume if Arkansas has a 6 month time limit - then federal law must at the least allow 6 months.
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Edited by LumbarSpasm (06/29/04 07:31 PM)
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ML63
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Let's say that an original paper script with two refills is valid for "X" amount of days before it expires. Does every day you wait to fill it subtract from the life of the refills? I don't care what schedule or class the drug is, just if a given expiration date on ANY original paper script takes away from the refill life if filled late? OK, I know what you're gonna say about WAITING to fill a script of 10/500's, but I'm only posting about THEORETICAL script life and refills and not reality. As for reality, all I know is that I usually ALWAYS comply with the "Discard By" date. That is to say, define "discard". If "discard" equals "gone" then my meds are usually "that" well in advance of the well meaning and printed on the bottle expiration date. I don't really map it out on my palm pilot, but it just kinda usually ends up like I did. How 'bout you folks?
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LumbarSpasm
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6 months from the date on the script.
If you wait 2 months to fill a script that has 5 refills you lose 2 refills.
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Trampy
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Quote:
Trampy- I must have missed it because I looked for a section related to C-II time limits and couldn't find it anywhere in 21CFR1308 link. I did find something on the DEA site under 21USC1306.1-1306.11, but it still doesn't give a federal time limit, unless it is a "partial fill" and then the limit is 72 hours.
Could you post the link to the specific section including subsection, it would be a good reference to have. Thanks,
Here is the DEA Diversion site:
DEA
Well, you seem to be right. After half an hour of searching at www.gpo.gov and www.findlaw.com, I can't find anything in the U.S. Code or the CFR that puts a 7-day expiration on C-II scrips.
I could swear i saw it in federal law last time i looked it up a few years ago. Oh well, maybe i made a mistake.
The only mention of "7 days" in regard to C-II scrips that i could find in federal law is that an emergency oral prescription for a C-II needs to be followed up with a written prescription within 7 days.
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PIGINPAIN
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Correct on the 6 month issue. There are only a couple of states that will restrict it lower than 6 months, but the feds say six months. I would disagree on 'losing' the 2 refills. Speaking only to CA law here, but you can refill as many times a month as you want (within reason folks), unless the doctor restricts the time between refills. Not wise to push them too close together, but refilling a week or two before you run out is ok. Most of the time the pharmacy will tell you that it is a "refill too soon", but that only refers to the insurance company's policy about paying for it. If you offer up cash, the only way they can withhold your script is if they call the doc and get permission to withhold or call LE because they suspect fraud. The latter RARELY happens here now thanks to HIPPA and the street level LE have little training in handling these types of calls anyway.
No time to proof this, sorry for an goofs.
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LumbarSpasm
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You know, you have a good point. I was thinking of a specific issue I had encountered, which indeed included insurance at the time.
If you are able to fill early, or to fill all refills at the same time, the prescription expiry date would be meaningless provided the script was filled prior to the 6 month deadline. I think this is up to the pharmacists discretion?
I would not try to habitually fill early with any drug that has abuse potential for fear of throwing up flags -though that is a separate matter from law.
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jshnyda
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As the original starter to this post, I will tell everyone the facts of filling my script. The script for #90 percocet was written on 6/16/04. On 6/28/04, I took the written script to my pharmacy (a very well known chain across the USA). I used my insurance, and they filled it! They actually filled it 7 days early from the time of my last fill which should have been 30 days, I even mentioned this to the pharmacist that I would probably have to wait a few days to pick it back up, but no she said it will be ready in 15 minutes. I think it went thru the insurance because I am seeing a new doctor, not by my own choice, never the less it was filled. So.....long story short, in Ohio a schedule II written script is good for 6 months from the time it was written.
On a side note, we are very lucky to have such a wealth of knowledge on this board with all the good members. I didn't think this post would get as many replies as it did. It is nice to know that we all have this board to help us with our questions, concerns and problems. THANK YOU, to all DB members. 
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