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redhill
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And another question for you all. Why do you think my idea was an elletist bigot god like statement? all I was trying to say was, "it would be nice to have a board that wasn't so easy for little kids to find Narcotics". Thats it...
Again,sorry if I offended anyone .
Tred =)
Hi again, Tred.
I think my approach to this very real problem would be to 'regulate the other end'.
Let's just for a moment compare this to the PTC and kids watching 'adult content'.
What the PTC wants, and a lot of Americans want, is to regulate TV even more than it is. Not an F-bomb or an s-word can be heard (sorry), and as soon as one slips through, religious extremists, nervous ninnies and God knows who else are up in arms. For Goodness' sake it's just WORDS!
And if it isn't it's...body parts. Don't you think what happened at the Superbowl was quite an overreaction to a harmless little nipple? I mean, that's where kids get LUNCH as young'uns, and as soon as we bring reason to them, it's DIRTY? What Southern Reverend went and decided that for me?
I don't need to see everything, but a little slip up like that? What's next for women here - burqas (sp)?
Anyway, that aside, the result of pressure groups doing their little thing since TV and Radio have been the easy target for slack parents over the years, is that radio and TV have now been completely and UTTerly neutered, sanitized and completely rendered without a soul:
We can't even find a reliable news outlet, there's no critical though to be found, and we're lumbered with Friends, Raymond, WWE Smack down, Who wants to marry a millionnaire, and TONS of excrement. And it's all terrible. It's dreck.
To the living among us who like TV (it can be done), and the TV watching world DOES contain a lot of adults, thankyouveryfriggenmuch!, there's nothing with an edge, nothing with passion, conviction, passion, brains, ideals, etc. It's been neutralized. TV is dead, because we regulated it to death, because slack parents in the seventies and eighties complained to the government. Because they didn't want to tell their kids to go out and throw a ball themselves. You get the drift.
NOW...
Should we go the same route with the internet? This board is for adults, but of course the owner cannot enforce that in ANY way, unless he asks for some official authentication with a credit card that can verify age. But as we know, that is not totally waterproof either.
The fairer question, again, is should we regulate things on the content end, like we already have to an extent? The Internet, after all is supposed to be a free environment, yet we all know the long and restrictive laudry list of things and words and subjects that are strictly verboten on this board alone. Again, we're already ankle deep in rules and regulations, we've already lost interesting features and ideas thanks to our buttoning up our shirts around here. Every other interesting thread that gets too heated gets cut to ribbons (certainly not a blue ribbon!).
So how much further shall we go? I can say 'Best if kept off the board', but no stronger than that. Shall we make 'darn' the acceptable 'sweary'? Shall we just pretend we're in the discussion board's equivalent of MacDonals and make sure no liquor is served, and everything is nice and predictable and inoffensive? Kids might see if there's anything that might harm them, and if that happens, then what are we to do?
Tred, my ever-so-slight sarcasm is directed at regulation, not for a second at you, I swear! I respect your idea, and I admire your reasons.
I am just giving one man's opinion here. I do not condone kids buying drugs on the Internet at all.
Kids should be kept off these boards - period. They've no business here, and it IS up to the parents to make sure of it.
A house, a family is no democracy. Mum and Dad rule. That means they are allowed to go through their kids' things, they can forbid a kid from using a computer at certain hours, they can even block sites. OR they can just keep an eye on them, make sure they have lives outside of the world of computers and drugs. And they can punish kids if they find drugs on them, as well they should. Being soft, lazy, or afraid to punish, is a big problem. And in an ideal world the parents are responsible for what their kids do.
One final note, Caramello is indeed correct: what this board does, and in which direction it goes is entirely up to its owner. He bought it and maintains it. We just get to benefit from it. 
This is all just my opinion, thanks for hearing it.
Nobody's offended here ( I think) so let's all get drunk and go to a nudie bar now! (if that didn't do it..)
As for your thought
"it would be nice to have a board that wasn't so easy for little kids to find Narcotics" - I couldn't agree more! It'd be nice, but.
Red, enjoying this Thread, Tred (ain't that poetry? - what do you mean, 'no'?)
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redhill
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We ban any visitor that admits, or even posts, about recreational use. Those that admit abuse are banned too.
We do not check each visitor posts to guess what they are up to. We go on a post by post basis
Wait, wait a minute. Haven't we heard a thousand stories of people who let their hydro use control their lives, and who wanted to wean off or down?
Isn't that, strictly speaking, abuse?
I understand that if one is on pain management, and one takes even ONE pill too many, in other words deviates from the prescription, that is abuse.
Almost everyone, at some point, has finished their prescription early, I will bet. That is labelled abuse by doctors.
One can abuse without using recreationally.
I just wonder what exactly you meant, just getting worried.
Can we still speak freely or [redhill whispers] are we being watched...very...closely?
Have a good day,
Red
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henry1
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And another question for you all. Why do you think my idea was an elletist bigot god like statement? all I was trying to say was, "it would be nice to have a board that wasn't so easy for little kids to find Narcotics". Thats it...
but I guess when you suppress a certain category all together,then it hurts more than helps........
Again,sorry if I offended anyone .
Tred =)
Tred,
Please don't apologize for expressing your opinion. It takes courage to post a suggestion when you know it will not be a popular one. Its people like you who make this board a better place. 
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holden99
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I agree Tred, you handled all the criticism of your post very well and never once became defensive and if anything you showed you felt more connected to the group. You showed a lot of character and that is the reason why I want to be part of this board...there are very healthy, well-meaning people here. Thanks Tred.
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cadman1
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FIRST OF ALL.. non-records OP's are illegal and we all know that. Maybe there is some clause saying an emergency script of x amount of meds is legal, but for the most part, this type of outfit is breaking the law. I am not a person that wants to deny the rights of others in pain, so if you are a true chronic pain patient and don't have records, then I'm sorry about this speach. It's just my opinion and nothing more.
I personally would love to see DrugBuyers form into a board that helps real chronic pain patients and not other kids with credit cards, obtaining meds and from our source of information (drugbuyers) My idea is this, what if we re-form this board to only talk about records only OPs and let the other boards take the heat of all the rest (ops)? I know the VIP status may go down and a lot of traffic would die out, but what do you think the message would be in that big of a statement??? I think it would show our government that we really are people that are in need of this medication to live a productive life and we don't condone the other behavior that goes along with so many other so-called telemedicine providers.. I know this probably won't happen, but I can just picutre a board that doesn't have all these shady posts about non-record op's..
Tred =)
With all due respect I think you missed the boat. The DEA is making it's own rules as it goes along with or without congresional approval. As a concrete example just look at SWMG. The DEA gives less than a sh!t about records or not. People using no record shops are no different in the eyes of the DEA than a record shop. They are going to start with the soft targets (no record op's) and now they have already started bustin SWMG.
I hate to sound negative, but now is the time to do whatever it takes to go out and find a good doctor and forget about relying on OP's anymore (it is sad but true). I am a legitamite, massive stack of records, chronic pain patient, but even with everything that has been documented I still had to resort to OP's because most MD's are scared to death to due what they been trained to do, which is keep people out of pain and feeling emotionaly, and physically healthy. I don't use OP's to get high, he11, if I wanted to do that I would go out get an 1/4oz and listen to some Bob Marley. I find it highly ironic that there are boat loads of coke comming into our shores via panama, columbia, equador etc and by "mexican mules" and DEA agents are trained to handle this needed enforcement. But hey, when it comes down to it, why not hit soft targets like (brick/morter & op docs) for trying to help society out? Everyone should know why, they need that media coverage to show they are winning the drug war by putting fear into every doctor in this country and leaving many like myself in agonizing pain.
This is really getting off topic but, your average doctor (with no specialties) has devoted at least 10 years of thier lives to the study of medicine and the human body YET, some well trained guys with mp-5's, kevlar helments, and survailence equipment are the ones dictating HOW MEDICINE IS TO BE PRESCRIBED?????????????
Ok back on subject, to the DEA, let me enlighten you, they are going to start out with the soft sites and then, with their infininte wisdom, they will claim that unless a doctor actually bends you over a table, sticks his finger up your buttox, then there was never a "TRUE DOCTOR PATIENT RELATIONSHIP),, thats when reputable sites like NWW and YOD will fall, but for the next few weeks they are very busy weeding out soft targets.
My advice, get you records together and talk to your friends, family, and a real good source is pharmacists(only ones you really trust) and find out which brick and mortor MD's have not been scared into believing that the only thing they can script out is the latest/greatest (most expensive) NSAID. There are still doctors out there that care for their patients, sometimes they can be hard and expensive to find, but write it down, IN 179 days FROM TODAY, THERE WILL NOT BE ONE OP IN EXISTENCE (I really hope this statement is never comes true, but unfortunaly it will). The only way we can expect to ever get OP's back is if congress amends this HR 3880,, so the burden is on us to contact our lawmakers and get let them know THE BENIFITS OF LIVING A HEALTHY LIFE becuase all they here are these totatly insane stories about oxycontin, kids overdosing and foriegn pharms. ok,, im p1sssed, ill shut up.
Cadman1
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redhill
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your average doctor (with no specialties) has devoted at least 10 years of thier lives to the study of medicine and the human body YET, some well trained guys with mp-5's, kevlar helments, and survailence equipment are the ones dictating HOW MEDICINE IS TO BE PRESCRIBED?????????????
Why couldn't I have just put it as succinctly as that? Nah, the red man just has to ramble... on!
Nicely put! 
Hey maybe if everyone started actually writing to congress members and senators, saying "what can be done about this terrible cocaine problem?!! Put some men and women on it!", perhaps our beloved (no I)dea can fight crime and leave innocent people the hell alone.
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Uncus
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Dear limper,
I think jfcooper was %100 correct. He didn't sound like he was trashing anybody - he just made a good argument. I agree with him.
Tred may have had good intentions; but he sure didn't think out what he was going to say very well. When people (like Tred) don't think before they talk/write, it doesn't matter how well meaning they are - they can say pretty thoughtless and nasty things. What Tred said was thoughtless and Nasty.
I don't see why you had to attack Cooper. He seems like a nice person, too.
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Tred
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First let me thank Limper, Holden and Henry1 for giving me some support. =)))) People like you make me feel at home when I come to this board to talk.
Anyway, after reading DrugBuyers reply it made complete sense to me and made me realize that they are already doing what they can to make this board as safe as the Internet can be.
Also, RedHill hit the nail on the head along with others about our rights being taken away, ect. I agree 100%..
I'm done with this thread as I already stated my error in thinking before I typed, so Uncus, sorry you still feel the need to state that my comments were thoughtless and nasty. Common' give me a break dood. shessh.. Anyway, I'm going to still post when I feel the need to say what I FEEL, so hopefully we can all get along .
I've never had someone tell me I was nasty and mean before, wow that seems like a nasty and thoughtless comment to make hehe..
Tred =)
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Edited by Tred (06/28/04 01:33 AM)
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limper
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Tred..I KNOW you are a good person who means NO HARM..I'll read your pieces anytime and just scroll down past all the blasts they give you..some of us KNOW you! Just let it pass..alot of folks just want to jump on someone(gets 'em on the board!) and I have been known to do THE SAME!! HA!! But..not to you! You're alright in my book..keep up the thoughtful posting no matter the negative replies. Like you said.."done with this thread"...HA!
Limper..and oh yeah,you're welcome Tred..
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Uncus
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I guess, according to Tred's and limp's contributions" it's okay to spout off hurting people's feelings in a thoughtless careless manner as long as you later write that you "really didn't mean to" and say
you just wanted to get people's reaction for a good discussion.
Bottom line: If you think BEFORE you write, perhaps you can avoid having to qualify what you "really meant" later. Part of "getting along" here means that you respect other members enough to make sure that you have thought through as best you can what you mean to say so that your message is clear as possible. Otherwise, (especially if you are tackling controversial issues) you can unwittingly "flame," attack and alienate other people.
"when I feel the need to to say what I FEEL": If everybody wrote on this board whatever they felt whenever they felt the need to, we likely wouldn't have very many happy, friendly members. Look at jfcooper: he was a new member, but I haven't seen him back here since your "board change" post.
Why do you think you can back off of what you say -deflecting the issue by implying YOU are an injured party because somebody had the nerve to tell you that your post (intentionally or not) was thoughtless and nasty.
It sounds like you can dish it out, but you just can't take it (what's it like to be soooo thoughtful and perfect)? What A wonderful human being you are.
You haven't had anyone tell you that something you wrote indicates that you are thoughtless and mean? - well, there is always a first time.
Oh by the way, I hope by writing this post I didn't step on your toes and hurt your feelings or your reputation as being such a nice sensitive guy... I really DIDN'T MEAN to. I am really (lke you and Limper) so very thoughtful, compassionate and sensitive. Please don't be mad at me or badmouth me: I am just writing like you what I FEEL: therefore, a am surely pristine and virtuous. kisscheek: 
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Tred
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Ok Ok Ok already you win.. I'm a mean bad person that doesn't speak before they write. I am nothing but scum of the earth and am here to hurt everyone by words and slanderous comments..
Please man for real, give it a break! I posted my error in thinking and Drugbuyers even posted what they thought of this subject. I do know words can be reflected in a different manner, when a person isn't physically present in a conversation, but if you re-read my original post, I don't say anything mean to anyone, besides me stating I thought no records ops were illegal. I didn't mean to group people in certain categories if it looked that way, so if you would please let this go, it would be very nice of you..
Thanks for your concern and I always welcome whatever anyone thinks, so if you must post a rebuttal to this again, then that's fine with me. =)
Tred
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DonBarba
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Please man for real, give it a break
Just my 2 cents...
I posted a reply disagreeing with your original post, but I totally respect your opinions and don't think you deserve any grief over them.
People need to lighten up :-)
Don
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night_shade
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There was absolutely NOTHING anyone here can take as a personal attack from Tred's original post.
If you don't agree with anyone's opinions, feelings, expressions or observations...THAT'S OKAY! This is a FREE board. It is hard to believe that so many people here play the PC card with such arbitrary application. We are people, not pre-programmed, politically correct robots with the same experiences, opinions or feelings.
Tred GRACIOUSLY accepted the flat-out character assassination done here because of a naive post, yet is STILL dumped on even though the same points are made with sickening redundancy. The bandwagon mentality certainly exists in abundance here.
Disagreement is not a flame, or an attack...it is simply a difference of opinion. When a statement is made that directly shames, harasses or puts down another person is a personal attack and is a flame. Nobody here is obligated to agree with anyone else, no matter their reference source or area of expertise. It is the MAIN reason this board and other places like it online are INTERESTING. Take what you like, leave the rest.
Keep posting, Tred. Because whether or not I agree with your statements, I will continue to read them and debate with you!
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henry1
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Tred, As I said previously, you expressed an opinion, and I believe you knew it would not be a popular one. A very courageous act, something the people slamming you obviously do not understand. Don't lose sleep over the slams, just keep posting!
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Tred
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Thanks guys and gals.
Tred 
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Edited by Tred (06/30/04 03:34 AM)
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