PIGINPAIN
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I was talking on the phone and missed the first part of the story, but MSNBC ran a "teaser" for an NBC story tonight. The last 5 seconds of the spot said they would be looking at OP's that sell without "proper" (I think was their word) doctor consultations.
Anyone catch this. I searched the websites, but no luck.
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JByrnes
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I found the page on MSNBC:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5226578/
It'll be on the NBC Nightly News. Nothing new to be said in that article, mostly a rehash of Ryan Haight. Bound to affect online pharmacies selling absolutely NO controlled substances? You can bet on it.
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PIGINPAIN
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Thanks for finding it. I searched for about 20 min.s and apparently missed it.
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I was on the phone, as well, when the story was on the news. My dh pointed it out to me but I basically missed it. It says some study is coming out tomorrow, Thursday. I wonder if it will say anything we don't already know. Anyway, I did find the article and here it is:
Report: Easy to purchase unsafe drugs online
GAO: No prescriptions needed, fakes abound
By Chip Reid
Correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 7:29 p.m. ET June 16, 2004WASHINGTON - As Francine Haight and her two surviving children prepared to fly from Los Angeles to Washington on Tuesday, she shared the tragic story of her son, Ryan a story shell tell a congressional subcommittee Thursday.
He was a very special child," said Haight. "Unfortunately some of his friends talked him into buying drugs on the Internet."
Ryan Haight was 18 when he died of a drug overdose a cocktail of painkillers, including the generic version of Vicodin that he obtained over the Internet. It was like buying candy out of a grocery store, Haight added.
A new report from the U.S. General Accounting Office shows just how easy it is. Undercover investigators purchased dozens of samples of unsafe drugs online.
The report is due to be released Thursday. NBC News obtained a copy in advance. In it, investigators conclude that highly addictive painkillers like Vicodin are easily obtained on the Internet, often without a prescription.
In addition, many of the drugs had no instructions, no warning labels and some were counterfeit.
The Internet presents grave safety risks to American consumers, said Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn. Consumer beware.
Coleman, who requested the GAO investigation, says there are many legitimate prescription drug dealers on the Internet, but there are also hundreds of rogue Web sites and its often hard to tell the difference.
Coleman added, Thats why we need the FDA to get in there and certify and to identify with that gold star on it, so you, as a consumer can understand this is a legitimate operation.
Haight hopes her story will help convince Congress to give law enforcement the power it needs to weed out the bad operators and help others avoid her sons fate.
(He) really was going to make a difference in this world, I thought, Haight said. I just never knew he was going to be so far away when he did it.
© 2004 MSNBC Interactive
MORE FROM NIGHTLY NEWS WITH TOM BROKAW
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He was a very special child," said Haight. "Unfortunately some of his friends talked him into buying drugs on the Internet."
(He) really was going to make a difference in this world, I thought, Haight said. I just never knew he was going to be so far away when he did it.
Yeah, your special child experimented with drugs - of course it was his friends fault! The only difference your drug expermenting son is going to make is to possibly make it more difficult for legitimate pain sufferers to get the meds they need to live normal lives - Thanks Ryan!
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OK I am a mother of four, I feel terrible for Mrs. Haight, there can not be anything worse than losing a child....and of course many of us feel her pain everyday in other places, as chronic pain sufferers...does anyone care about that! What about the legitimate sufferers, not those wanting to experiment like Ryan Haight--maybe someday someone will name a bill after us: The bad, back, hip, arthritis, endometriosis, fibroid, migraine, sufferer chronic pain bill...hmmmmmm you think?
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Just finished watching the Today show spot on OPs. Diane Feinstein (sp) is all up in arms about it. You can tell where this is headed.
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Ocean
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Anybody who's been around kids and their parents these days, is not surprised by this place of blame on "friends"...
Don't ya'll know, Ryan is not at fault here at all... It's the friends, it's the internet... But not Ryan... And certainly not his mother or father... Every 17 year old has a computer in their room and a credit card of their own paid each month, no questions asked...
Yeah... Sure... My daughter is almost that age... Although she doesn't know it, I keep track of EVERYTHING she does... While being very liberal and permissive with her, or so she thinks, "behind the scenes" I watch everything! Obviously nobody watched this kid or questioned anything he did... Not only the cc issue but how did he receive the packages? Wasn't he supposed to be at school when it is delivered? I guess nobody noticed that either... How does a mother pay a credit card bill from her 17 year old son and not even scrutinize it?
Sorry... Can't blame anyone now, after the fact... Anyone but maybe yourself...
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Just finished watching the Today show spot on OPs. Diane Feinstein (sp) is all up in arms about it. You can tell where this is headed.
I just watched this on The Today Show as well....it makes me so angry that they push the blame on everyone else! I'm sorry the kid died, but it could very well have been pills obtained from friends, street drugs, you name it. WHERE WERE HIS PARENTS?? Mom said on the show that "you can't watch your kid 24/7"...very true, but you CAN intervene. Did she have no idea the kid was experimenting with drugs? Oh, and lets blame his "friends" also for forcing him to buy online...It sounded like he used a credit card from the story...mom didn't know this? C'mon!!!!
I just hate it when these kinds of issues come up when WE legitimate chronic pain sufferers live happier lives now because of the internet. And then they want to pass "bills" and Best if kept off the board.
I fear the day my pain relief is taken away and i must live in my bed again daily....Because of OPs, my life is pain-free, I am a great, involved, interactive mom, I can work at home AND clean my house!!! Before pain relief, I was a no-good ball of flesh, wasting away, crying constantly.
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doglover82
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This story was on Good Morning America too. With all of the publicity you know they will feel the pressure to stop ops. I feel bad for people who rely on them for their pain management. I hope if and when they are shut down their will be adequate notice.
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brat69
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Ocean,
I couldn't agree with you more,everyones fault but the parents.....blah blah blah. If I hear that anymore I will soon be on the news. I have teens also, I am very involved and scrutinize everything. I'm not over protective I'm interactive ... YOU HAVE TO BE NOW DAYS!!! Parents are so afraid to tell there kids NO or interfere with their kids social life for fear of retalation and then use it as an excuse for a feble atempt of parental love it makes me ill! I know where mine are ,who they are with,and what they are doing! because I love them, I want them to have friends and have fun but I too remember being 17 once upon a time ( I never had a CC or even access to one).
my heart goes out the the family for their loss,but mostly because THEY chose to be liberal and "COOL" parents and their poor parental judgement cost them their child (what a waste).
Sorry to ramble but it makes me so angry that my ligitimate care for my ligitimate pain is now in jepordy because they refused to be truly loving parents. 
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lardaman
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Another scenario: This kid probably dipped into his mom's stash & she has to come up with a cover story so she wont go to jail or cannot fathom her responsibility for the problem. Blame the IOP's, easy scapegoat.
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She never would have known about her son using drugs if he had gotten it from someone at school. But in this case, he ordered online, used a cc that SHE PAID FOR, had drugs delivered to HER HOUSE??!! HELLO? How could she NOT have known? If that's not a paper trail, then I don't know what is!
I'm also sorry he died, but obviously she wasn't involved in her son's life. I am sick of people not taking responsibility for their actions. If he hadn't been able to get drugs online, he would've found another way to do it. This mom needs a reality check!
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lardaman
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Agreed, we don't even know if he used his own card or maybe even hers? Talk about oblivious! If it wouldn't have been this then it would have been something else, I think the kid may have been a little too unruly to be unsupervised. This could not possibly have been the first time he has been in trouble, it wasn't a freak accident in his case. Just my opinion thats all.
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As I've said, I knew Ryan and I'd assure anybody that nobody talked him into doing anything. He did what his friends were doing, but he may have actually been a worse influence on them than they on him. I knew these poeple. A good friend of mine was qestioned by the DEA about this. Youngsters experiment with drugs, sometimes with devasting consequences. Probably always have, always will.
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lardaman
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Well the "USA bashing liberal media" is running with it now so you can bet that the facts will ultimately be distorted.
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Brat69 "my heart goes out the the family for their loss,but mostly because THEY chose to be liberal and "COOL" parents and their poor parental judgement cost them their child (what a waste)."
lardaman "Well the "USA bashing liberal media" is running with it now so you can bet that the facts will ultimately be distorted."
I just wanted to comment about these two posts. Nothing against either of you, but it was kind of funny to see liberal come up in both senerios. Liberal media bashing liberal parents. Makes no sense to me?? Just a humble question, but are both of you "lardaman and brat69" Republicans?? Just a guess.
My guess is that the liberal parents weren't liberal at all.. more like conservative rich people that didn't pay much attention to their kid.. That's just my opinion.
I feel for his family and all who knew him, but this story really really gets under my skin! Stories like this can destroy everything.. As in OP'S.
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lardaman
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Myself, conservitive. You liberal?
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leila01
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Sounds like they were pretty liberal parents to me. I saw the spot, no way this kid could have gotten away with buying from an on-line op w/out some kind of trail for his parents to find (i.e. credit card). I grew up in suburbia getting everything I wanted - all I had to do was ask my parents. I was never given a credit card and my parents always knew what I was doing. They were strict w/who I hung out with and where I went. I would never dream of giving my kid a credit card. Although, I guess he could have used a site that allows C.O.D.
Actually, my whole point before I got sidetracked was that the media is liberal. I agree with lardaman. Now everyone will jump back on the conservative bashing bandwagon because people are going to bring up the shutting down on OP's yet again.
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lardaman
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Thanks leila01!
There are more rich liberals than conservitives. So the odds are if his family was well off then they were liberal. If this kid was the offspring of a conservitive he would have been brought up with guidelines and limits instilled from his upbringing. He had no limits and was allowed to run wild. That says liberal to me. Two things that are hard to believe.
1) That I got here to comment b4 some conservative bashers did.
2) They havent deleted this post yet because of your comments or mine.
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Tred
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I'm not either, just pointed out the way Liberal was used in two different situations. Just an observation and not trying to say anything. I vote and have opinions on the way I think issues should be delt with.
Just to let you know, before you all think I am conservative bashing.
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There are more rich liberals than conservitives.
Lardaman,
Of all the wrong things you ever said, this has got to be the wrongest!!! Is there such a word?
99.9999999% of rich people are conservatives and or Republican. Please don't dispute at least that much... Perfect example? Howard Stern... This guy should have been the King of Liberals the lifestyle he led but nope, he was Republican. Know why? Because he's a millionaire... But the Conservs turned on him? He switched his stripes...
Bottom line, most people nowadays support whichever party is going to help THEM out!
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Ocean
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I think it was determined he used his mother's credit card... Her excuse for not scrutinizing the bill? She assumed he was buying baseball cards on eBay...
Look, many times you can be the best parent in the world and this can still happen but in this particular case, the parent AND Ryan should share the blame 50-50. IMHO.
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lardaman
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I have to disagree with you O. There is no way 99.999999% of rich people are reps & conservs.
Ever been to Hollywood? Most news reporters? Most of Calif. The average house in the O.C. is like $375,000.00. Maybe to you thats not much but it is to me.
Just doing a search on google for "millionaire democrats" comes up 129 "millionaire republicans" comes up 122
"Millionaire liberals" 47 "millionaire conservatives" 8
Total of stories 176 for the left & 130 for the right. Now you know the libs would not give this more coverage than necessary on this issue, & these reports are from a liberal media.
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Ocean
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Yeah, OK... I'll give you pretty much the entire entertainment idustry...
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lardaman
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You are wise grasshopper. I'll take it!
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Francine Haight's website --- www.ryanscause.org
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Tred
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If people decide to venture off over to the website listed above, PLEASE use some common decency before posting. Although many of our current treatment centers are under fire, due to this media coverage, no one needs to go over to that site and post horrible things. I've read some shocking statements on the message board there and feel it give a very wrong impression on what DrugBuyers is really about. YES there are real addicts that visit this board, yes some people are self medicating and yes some people should seek their normal Primary Care doctor, BUT I believe there are many here that are true chronic pain patients and persons that are in need of certain medication for real reasons. I've posted positive comments along with personal veiws and pleas for the people involved in the Ryan Hieght (sp) act to please consider before they destroy the lives of others in pain. If you post, please think out your comments in a positive way..
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PIGINPAIN
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Tred- I agree 100%, well stated.
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I second (third?) that opinion. Just let it be, it has nothing to do with DB and can only lead to DB being portrayed in a worse light.
Choose your battles wisely.
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