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JBarns
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Reged: 04/24/04
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Ok for all those who are well well rehearsed in using the temgesic 0.2
Here's my question...
If I ran out of my hydro 5 hours ago, and am starting to feel the pain return, but yet, have no more hydro's to ease the pain...
If I was to take 2 of the temgesic right now, would that kill off the hydro that's already in my system?
I'm curious cause I've read so many different things with the temgesic's and am short meds until my order arrives tomorrow...
But I do have some temgesic's on hand, and was wanting to know if these are going to help with my pain any? Or the wd's?
TIA
JJ
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JayStraw
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Reged: 12/13/03
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I would wait until at leaat 6-8 hours after the hydro before taking the temgesic to aviod sudden w/d's.
I'm not a doctor though, but I think you should be fine after 6
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brenda1231
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Ok for all those who are well well rehearsed in using the temgesic 0.2
Here's my question...
If I ran out of my hydro 5 hours ago, and am starting to feel the pain return, but yet, have no more hydro's to ease the pain...
If I was to take 2 of the temgesic right now, would that kill off the hydro that's already in my system?
I'm curious cause I've read so many different things with the temgesic's and am short meds until my order arrives tomorrow...
But I do have some temgesic's on hand, and was wanting to know if these are going to help with my pain any? Or the wd's?
TIA
JJ
If you are already feeling w/d then I think you can give it a shot. I do think it will 'kill off' the hydro that is in your system. From my understanding of the drug, it may bump the hydro out, and plug up those recieptors, blocking w/d.
I don't think they will be much help for the pain, but they will likely help the w/d.
They definitely will help with the w/d in a few hours. I have also found that they help more, if I don't let myself get into 'severe' w/d before taking them.
Also, depeding on your hydro use, you may require more than two .2 mg of temgesic. I tried it a few times before someone(I think Yawk) pointed out that it was too small of a dose. For me to stay out of w/d I need at least four .2 mg temgesic for the first dose and then two to three more every 6-8 hours.
THIS IS ONLY ME. This is what works for ME. It may or may not work for you.
Hope this helps.
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Cheers,
B~
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JBarns
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Reged: 04/24/04
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Loc: Nebraska
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Jay and Brenda... WOW.. thanks for the fast responses!!!
I went ahead and took two of the tems. and wasn't feeling any relief, so I just took two more. hoping this helps me some, the wd's aren't what's the pain, it's the pain that's the pain
You have helped me so much.
I'm also wondering if they will help keep the night sweats away?
I've been on hydro 10/325's 5xs a day, for 9 months, two per dose, this is not for rec use, but for pain use, and also what my doc has prescribed for me, so please no "wow that's alot" speeches
And I took my last 2 doses this morning, and know for sure there will be some wd symptoms. More than anything, I was wanting relief from the pain. But if I can live thru the wd's and just have the pain, I think I can make it until tomorrow.
And I was just really curious as to what would happen if I was to take these while still having hydro in my system.
Thanks again for your help.
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JayStraw
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Reged: 12/13/03
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Taking the temgesic (bupenorphine or Subutex are all the same drug) while on an opiate, will cause immidiate withdrawls. Also TOO MUCH temgesic will cause you to go into withdrawls (with only having the .2 mg dosage, there is not much fear of that unless you took 80 of them as 16mg is the ceiling dose for bupenorphine). Less can be better with temgesic, but with .2mg pills, 4-6 is porobably OK to get yourself past the nasty part of the withdrawls and should help the sweats.
Also, I hear Clonidine (a BP med) and Klonopin (a benzo) both help greatly with the sweats. DO NOT take hydro and Clonidine together as it can be very dangerous.
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mindy
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Contrary to popular belief, taking Temgesic 4-6 hours after your last hydro dose will not put you into WD's. However, if you take Suboxone or Subutex, which is much, much stronger than a 0.2 Temgesic, then yes, you will run into problems. If you plan on taking hydro again tomorrow, make sure you have 8-10 hours or so since your last Temgesic. It has a long half life (I read somewhere that it is approx 37.5 hours, but I believe that is for the stronger ones such as Suboxone) and once it builds up in your system it will hold you for quite some time and it does have a bit of a blocking effect against opiates. Everyone has their own opinions on what Buprenorphine does in conjunction with opiates, but I know for a fact that the only one you have to be very careful with is the Dr. prescribed Suboxone/Subutex. One good rule of thumb to remember with Temgesic or any Buprenorphine product is that "less is more". You don't have to take alot to get the effect you need, and don't keep popping them if you don't feel anything within 30 min or so. It takes 60-90 minutes for it to get into your system and start working. Temgesic is a great way to hold you in between refills, if needed and it works well if you feel that you need to take a short break from your meds. Just listen to your body and with any drug, be careful!
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brenda1231
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Contrary to popular belief, taking Temgesic 4-6 hours after your last hydro dose will not put you into WD's. However, if you take Suboxone or Subutex, which is much, much stronger than a 0.2 Temgesic, then yes, you will run into problems. If you plan on taking hydro again tomorrow, make sure you have 8-10 hours or so since your last Temgesic. It has a long half life (I read somewhere that it is approx 37.5 hours, but I believe that is for the stronger ones such as Suboxone) and once it builds up in your system it will hold you for quite some time and it does have a bit of a blocking effect against opiates. Everyone has their own opinions on what Buprenorphine does in conjunction with opiates, but I know for a fact that the only one you have to be very careful with is the Dr. prescribed Suboxone/Subutex. One good rule of thumb to remember with Temgesic or any Buprenorphine product is that "less is more". You don't have to take alot to get the effect you need, and don't keep popping them if you don't feel anything within 30 min or so. It takes 60-90 minutes for it to get into your system and start working. Temgesic is a great way to hold you in between refills, if needed and it works well if you feel that you need to take a short break from your meds. Just listen to your body and with any drug, be careful!
Yes, I believe this is at least partially right.
Also...you do have to make sure to disolve them SLOWLY under your tongue. If you bite chew or swallow them you will get no affect.
I did a lot of reading and temgesic and other opiates CAN be used with it and will not put you into w/d. I read teh pamplet that came with teh temgesic, over and over as well. It specifies that one does not have to be out of your system to take the other.
There is ONE warning on it(the temgesic package info) that states in a heavy opiate user it may precipitate w/d. I have taken a temgesic and taken a hydro an hour later and been fine. I have taken 40 mg of hydro within a few hours of taking temgesic and NOT had adverse reactions or w/d.
Also, according the the Sahmsa (if those are the correct letters): The Suboxone does not actually block other opiates, but has a block that bloxks itself from being reduced to liquid form to be injected, causing w/d.
To me this buprenorphine is a mysterious drug.
I have found a happy medium for myself.
Which is to take 2-4 temgesic (sublingually and one at a time) wait for 1 to 1.5 hours. If I still feel withdrawal I will take 1.5 hydros (10/325's). After that I will be good for 6 or 7 hours with little or no w/d, not even bad fatigue.
Now this is after trial and error. The first two trials, I got very, very sick and had horrid w/d. Worse than cold turkey. This very well may have been from not taking enough buprenorphine.
I albsolutely believe that it does build up in your system somehow, as I can take an itial dose of say .8 mg (4 pills) over an hour, and be w/d w/d for 12 hours. Then I may need to add 1 to 2 more to keep w/d at bay.
AND it seems to work better forme if I do not let myself get into full w/d before using it.
Again...this is just me and it took some nasty fallls before I find my grounding with this drug.
Good Luck!
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Cheers,
B~
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tone
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Reged: 06/29/03
Posts: 554
Loc: Chicago
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try to tough it out for 16 hours or as long as you can, then take the temgesic, this way you will go from withdrawl to feeling better, rather than the beginnings of withdrawl to a sudden worsening.
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gnom
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Contrary to popular belief, taking Temgesic 4-6 hours after your last hydro dose will not put you into WD's. However, if you take Suboxone or Subutex, which is much, much stronger than a 0.2 Temgesic, then yes, you will run into problems. If you plan on taking hydro again tomorrow, make sure you have 8-10 hours or so since your last Temgesic. It has a long half life (I read somewhere that it is approx 37.5 hours, but I believe that is for the stronger ones such as Suboxone) and once it builds up in your system it will hold you for quite some time and it does have a bit of a blocking effect against opiates. Everyone has their own opinions on what Buprenorphine does in conjunction with opiates, but I know for a fact that the only one you have to be very careful with is the Dr. prescribed Suboxone/Subutex. One good rule of thumb to remember with Temgesic or any Buprenorphine product is that "less is more". You don't have to take alot to get the effect you need, and don't keep popping them if you don't feel anything within 30 min or so. It takes 60-90 minutes for it to get into your system and start working. Temgesic is a great way to hold you in between refills, if needed and it works well if you feel that you need to take a short break from your meds. Just listen to your body and with any drug, be careful!
Yes, I believe this is at least partially right.
Also...you do have to make sure to disolve them SLOWLY under your tongue. If you bite chew or swallow them you will get no affect.
I did a lot of reading and temgesic and other opiates CAN be used with it and will not put you into w/d. I read teh pamplet that came with teh temgesic, over and over as well. It specifies that one does not have to be out of your system to take the other.
There is ONE warning on it(the temgesic package info) that states in a heavy opiate user it may precipitate w/d. I have taken a temgesic and taken a hydro an hour later and been fine. I have taken 40 mg of hydro within a few hours of taking temgesic and NOT had adverse reactions or w/d.
Also, according the the Sahmsa (if those are the correct letters): The Suboxone does not actually block other opiates, but has a block that bloxks itself from being reduced to liquid form to be injected, causing w/d.
To me this buprenorphine is a mysterious drug.
I have found a happy medium for myself.
Which is to take 2-4 temgesic (sublingually and one at a time) wait for 1 to 1.5 hours. If I still feel withdrawal I will take 1.5 hydros (10/325's). After that I will be good for 6 or 7 hours with little or no w/d, not even bad fatigue.
Now this is after trial and error. The first two trials, I got very, very sick and had horrid w/d. Worse than cold turkey. This very well may have been from not taking enough buprenorphine.
I albsolutely believe that it does build up in your system somehow, as I can take an itial dose of say .8 mg (4 pills) over an hour, and be w/d w/d for 12 hours. Then I may need to add 1 to 2 more to keep w/d at bay.
AND it seems to work better forme if I do not let myself get into full w/d before using it.
Again...this is just me and it took some nasty fallls before I find my grounding with this drug.
Good Luck!
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