msp993
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hello i was wondering if anyone could explain to me the difference between these drugs they are all benzo's right?
anyway i been really stressing myself out lately ,much of my life actually, and seem to always want to blow up i also get really nervous around groups of people i don't know and have anxiety attacks once in a while i am not sure if any of these three above mentioned might help so any advice would be great i have noticed ourpillbox.com has really good prices on the clonazapan ???? any extra guidance will be appreciated. pm if needed
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D2003
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I'd stay away from Xanax simply because the withdrawal can be particularly vicious, even for someone who has only been on them a month or two. Klonopin seems to be much longer acting, and you can taper off them again much more easily than Xanax. Valium is okay, it's longer acting that Xanax, and the withdrawal is a little easier to deal with.
I do understand the problem you have, as I have it too. (Not good for the job I am in!) I found Paxil an acceptable substitute for Benzos, although it does take a couple of weeks to really kick in properly. Tapering off Paxil is quite easy. Done it myself with no problems at all. I took Paxil daily for 8 months and then tapered off them when I felt no further need of chemical help. I do keep some around though if the social anxiety gets a bit much.
Hope this is of some help to you.
D2003
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Whatsnew
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If it were me, I think I would go with the Klonopin. It seems less addicting.
D
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sanclemente
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Good advice! Xanax will really turn on you after a very short period of time. Good luck!
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Reel_X_4U
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I defintely go with "Valium" (Roche brand)or (Barr Labs brand) 10mg. I've tried most benzos, stay away from "XANAX", easy to get hooked on, hard on the body and mind if you run out and are unable to get a script on the fly from you doc, you'll go into withdrawal in less then 24 hours and can become semi-psychotic, it's been noted by many posters (veteran ones at that). Valium also has muscle-relaxing properties, which compliments it's overall mental-relaxing effects. Don't know too much about Clonazepam 2mg, but I've heard it's pretty good, but takes a little longer to kick-in, then the others. Tranxene 30mg is also a good choice. Happy hunting, just be careful when purchasing generics from IOPS they are not always "up to par", stay away from the "Mylan" brand of benzos her in the U.S., they are weak (at least for me they were) and use benzos sparely, on a "at need basis". A good generic of "Valium is "Watson and/or Barr", of course "Roche" the brand name is the best and alot of IOPs offer the "Roches" at a good price, Farmakos.com "50" brand name for $40.00 dollars. Kewl!!
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The reason I recomended Klonopin is because, for me at least, it doesn't produce the euphoric effect, so it is probably much less likely to become dependendant upon. It is much more subtle (for me), but does the job well. Plus it is Domestesticallly cheap. New find for me and already a favorite. Take care.
D
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Curtisd3
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Valium is an old, "dirty" benzo. Moms were popping those in the '60's The newer ones are "cleaner" and better. They have less side effects. I've taken Xanax or Alprazolam for 2 years. I wouldn't change a thing.
Best regards,
Curt
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I'm not sure why being older would make a med dirtier. I think it works very well. As far as the new miracle Xanax goes, I agree it works well, so do the droves of other people on this board who almost died trying to stop taking it.
D
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msp993
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thanks alot guys for all the help and support so quickly also was wondering if it's hard to get an op or iop to fill the prescription for me and if their is anything in specific i should or should not say also i was wondering if the prescription is really valid because i am on probation and don't wanna get any trouble but if it's "real" i should be all set i guess.
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IOP=Illegal! Ops are in a gray area right now, but I don't see how you could be charged with anything. You are getting the RX from a DR and the Meds from a pharmacy. The bottle looks the same as any other prescription bottle.The places I mentioned earlier want you to fill out a questionaire, its obvious what answers to give. Wish you well.
D
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Curtisd3
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By old I meant pharmo has come a long way since Valium. Now there isn't the long-term lethargy with the newer benzos. Not as many side-effects, but I can only speak to what I know. You may be able to take as little as a 1/4mg before bedtime and sleep like a baby and you won't feel it in the morning. Exercise, cutting caffeine, finding a good herbal tea--all great advice.
Best,
Curt
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I courteously reply that the reason you don't have the longer term lethargy is because the half life is much shorter, which makes it MUCH more addictive. I remember when Xanax came out and it was being touted as the 'new Valium', but without the addictive properties. The people responsible for that statement should be held accountable.
Respectfully,
D
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Curtisd3
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I learned something! I'm going to stop listening to Dr's altogether. Thanks for the info.
Curt
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Whatsnew
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We have an advantage, the Dr's advice, DB community advice, and the internet. Take care friend.
D
PS: Always remember that Drs have years of training, so don't quit listening to them, just use your other resources as well. 
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Also, if you haven't read the "Xanax Withdrawls' thread, do. It gets that bad and worse, Xanax withdrawals can kill you.
D
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CHEESE
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HELLO MSP, The three meds. you mentioned in your post are all good meds. for ANXIETY (I HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THEM BEFORE IN THE PAST 5 YEARS) I would suggest LIBRIUM (CHLORDIAZEPOXIDE) OR DALMANE (FLURAZEPAM) for anxiety they both are BENZO'S similar to the meds. in your post, except I find that the quality of both generic and name-brand of these meds. to be better from any INT. OP or U.S. OP (WHICH I HAVE USED ALOT OF INT.OP AND U.S.OP'S and also gotten American generics and brand names from my doctor.)I think it's because their is less of a demand for these benzo's and they are manf. better.(IT COULD ALSO BE THAT THESE BENZO'S STORE BETTER IN HOT AND COLD TEMP. COMPARED TO MANY OF THEIR RELATED COMPOUNDS THAT BREAK DOWN EASY?) I find alot of generic valium,klonopin and xanax from the U.S. and OTHER COUNTRIES TO BE WEAK ,but the DALMANE & LIBRIUM ALWAYS SEEM TO BE STRONGER! EXAMPLE -ONLINESOLUTIONS4U IOP FROM INDIA -THEY SELL ROCHE VALIUM AND ALPRAX XANAX -IT ALWAYS VERY WEAK! BUT THEIR DALMANE GENERIC AND LIBRIUM GENERIC IS ALWAYS REALLY GOOD! Maybe just a theory! But I would go with the librium or dalmane. CHEESE 
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kimbell1
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I have tried all three. Valium does not work for me. Xanax is not much better and I have personally had no problem getting off it. But then I went to klonopin which may be the reason.
However, in the past, I suddenly developed no need for xanax and again had no trouble getting off. I did not go to another similar pill. Just didn't need it any more and stopped without any side effects. But my body handles medicine a lot differently than most people.
I found the best luck for long term stress management with a health food store combination of Valarian root, hopps and a few other natural ingrediants. Valerain root is the basis for valium though but it has none of the euphoric properties. I took this comination for nearly a year before it stopped working which is a lot longer for prescription medications. While I can't remember the exact valerian combination, any health food store should have various combinations. Don't just buy valerian root. You need a combination for it to work. Maybe natural is the way to go. Seems these doctors make life hell for us and its legal to buy organic medicines. Wouldn't mind putting some doctors back to having to work a full work week and not make hundreds of thousands a year in income. They have let the 'God Syndrom' go to their heads.
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