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johng
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should I make an issue of it
      #134699 - 02/06/04 05:52 AM

Need Advice

Yesterday my md called into the pharmacy a perscription for me. It was to be vicoprofen. I picked it up and the phamicist said this is the med your md called in. I did not check it untill I got home. it was 5/500 vicodin.
1. this stregth does not help me
2. it was not what the md told me he would call in
3. the pharmsist and I have had problems in the past.

should I call my MD and ask what med he called in. I have not taken any of the 5/500 yet. what should I do??

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johng
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Re: should I make an issue of it [Re: johng]
      #134703 - 02/06/04 06:08 AM

just to add on. the pahrmicist shorted me 13 vicodin 2 years ago i complained about it.they told me to bring the bottle back. I replied"you are just going to say I took them out" then i got hassled when it cam time for a refill. to early but when you are missing 13 pills what do you expect.

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Re: should I make an issue of it [Re: johng]
      #134705 - 02/06/04 06:12 AM

Hi JohnG

If your MD verified that it would indeed be Vicoprofen, I would call the him/her and say that you believe there may have been a screw-up and that that strength doesnt work for you (of course this may sound like DSB to a skeptical MD). If applicable, bring up that you prefer ibuprofen to APAP as the secondary analgesic.

Also, since you say that you and the pharmacist have had problems in the past, you may want to switch pharmacies, if possible. I did recently when a local Rite-Aid got entirely too nosy, clumsy, and slow.

Just my two cents. Either way, hope you get something that works for you.

N.S.



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Karma2678
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Re: should I make an issue of it [Re: NewSimian]
      #134712 - 02/06/04 06:43 AM

Hi I think you should not feel at all bad about asking your doctor if he called in the vicoprofen he told you he was going to prescribe for you. I own a personalcare home and I see pharmacy's make mistakes and doctors making mistakes as well. It is normal for you to double check with the Dr. He should not think anything about you. If he thought anything he probably would not have prescribed you any hydro at all. I would tell him about the mistake in some mistakes calling in the wrong med for someone who does not know a good deal about prescription drugs could turn out bad. Some people cannot take tylenol at all and if you were a person who could not take it and did not realize you were it could harm you. Also, for some types of pain ibuprofen is going to make a good difference in relieving your pain.

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Re: should I make an issue of it [Re: johng]
      #134736 - 02/06/04 08:28 AM

Hiya,

The pharmacist who took down the prescription made a mistake and you are entitled to that extra 2.5 mg of hydro per pill. It *is* a big deal, especially since you said the strength doesn't help you, and on top of that the pharmacist made a mistake. What if this were a drug like Synthroid that was ENTIRELY dependent on the very small differences between drug strengths and he messed up? He needs to be alerted to this.

You should definitely call your doctor and have this straightened out. Remember, what is illegal is for the pharmacist to *RESELL* already dispensed medication- if you haven't taken any of your script, he should replace it (and destroy the old meds), as it was his mistake.

You are completely right here, and the pharmacist is completely wrong. It's important that you do something, you'll feel better in the end, I guarantee it.

-yawkaw


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Re: should I make an issue of it [Re: johng]
      #134741 - 02/06/04 08:46 AM

I would change pharmacists. What a nasty/incompetent person! Catmom

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NJ_Hoss
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Re: should I make an issue of it [Re: johng]
      #134747 - 02/06/04 09:14 AM

If your doctor prescribed one medication and the pharmacist dispensed another that is not considered to be a therapeutic generic substitute (for which Vicodin is not an equivalent for Vicoprofen), the pharmacist has committed a dispensing error, commonly-referred to as a "misfill" that you are wholly entitled to have resolved. Depending on the state, if you bring it to his or her attention, the pharmacy is obligated to notify the state board and submit a abstract of the event as it happened.

If no other mitigating factor exists, for example, the label reads Vicoprofen, but you have had a recent fill of Vicodin by which you may have obtained the tablets that ultimately found their way in the bottle, the pharmacist is ethically obligated to correct his error and ensure that no harm to your health has occurred. If the prescription reads one thing while you received another, and the label reflects so, (without having received prior authorization from your doctor) then there is a clear audit trail in your favor, and neither the pharmacist nor the doctor have any valid reason to deny assisting you, provided you haven't already consumed the majority of the medication dispensed to you. If you have, you may have just waited too long before acting on your own behalf.

From the perspective of what MAY have happened, is that many pharmacies will attempt to communicate with doctors and dispense the most cost effective therapy, even if it does vary slightly from what was prescribed. Although Vicoprofen is generically available, many pharmacies do not carry the generic alternative, and many insurance plans either will not cover it, or will assess a substantially higher copay than for a generic hydrocodone-containing analgesic. Assuming that he intended to advise you, and that doing so wouldn't otherwise endanger your health, he may have dispensed the less expensive generic with the tacit intent that you would take 1.5 tablets if necessary.

Why wouldn't the pharmacy dispense the 7.5/750 equivalent? Who knows? They may have been out of stock, your insurance may have required a titrated dosage level, any one of a dozen "what if's" could be and are impossible to determine in this setting. However, there may be a plausible and valid reason for the substitution that occured, of which you do not know because you may not have yet asked the question. Nevertheless, if a dispensing error has occurred, regulators take a VERY serious role in documenting their occurrence. If there is no other plausible explanation, and you have acted in a timely manner, I can't imagine why you wouldn't find a very conciliatory and accommodating pharmacist when you make him aware of what has happened.

I hope this helps!


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Re: should I make an issue of it [Re: johng]
      #134774 - 02/06/04 11:27 AM

No, I would not make an issue out of it.

I would raise a big effing Stink about it. You have been given an inadequate substitution. In fact, I very much doubt that they can just substitute APAP for IBU, two totally different things. For one thing, APAP is more hepatotoxic, and for another, IBU is a much better anti-inflammatory (note, some real doctors (MDs) have actually described APAP to me as an anti-inflammatory, which I have a hard time believing)

Then the issue of being given 2.5 mg of Hydroco per pill less than prescribed; totally inadequate. If you have the prescription (or copy), then go back and insist on the proper meds.

If he has a reason (maliciously or no) to contend that you may have swapped the pills in the bottle for duds, in order to obtain more meds, then you may have a problem. I ran into this when I was given 100 dessicated, barely working, crumbly pills a few weeks ago. Unfortunately, I had no way of proving that those were the ones I had actually been given by the pharmacist, and so I will be stuck for one more week with some lousy pills.

Do what I am doing, and find a more conscientious pharmacist, and have a chat with the guy or lady at your new pharmacy of choice, just to get to know them a bit.

Best of luck to you,

Red


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Re: should I make an issue of it [Re: johng]
      #134792 - 02/06/04 12:05 PM

Everybody please take some advice,please! We have to realize that:

1.Doctor's work with us.

2.Pharmacists work for us!


Actually they don't deserve to be called pharmacists,maybe "pill-counters", or, in most cases,"pill-counting machine operators", the modern day pharmacist is a joke!Old school pharmacists were professionals,they actually had to have great knowledge.The new age pharmacist has to have maybe 3 brain cells(1 operating each eye,and 1 in their pocket).I hate today's pharmacists,they're snooty,snobby,egotistic and opiophobics! Just because they wear white jackets does not make them physicians!If it does,then my butcher could be a gynecologist by night!

I would love to get a hold of "just one" of my CVS techs,and work them over real good and force-feed NSAIDS to them all day!!!!


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Re: should I make an issue of it [Re: pickles]
      #134838 - 02/06/04 02:20 PM

I've been lurking for months and I'm grateful for the wonderful advice and knowledge I have found here from the few people who actually take the time to give us informative responses and actually know what they are talking about. I can't think of a better reason to make my first post than to say that this has got to be the most ridiculous and ignorant post I have ever read here and it does nothing at all to help anyone with anything. The only reason for posting it is because someone must really enjoy the sound of their own voice. - What difference would it make to you anyway if your pharmacist didn't know a !*@&! thing? You seem to be a know it all already! Why should anyone take your advice?

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johng
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Re: should I make an issue of it [Re: johng]
      #134841 - 02/06/04 02:36 PM

thanks to all who replied. I did the following

I called the MD. while he was giving the perscription he remebered that i will be getting neck (C5/C6 C6/C7) fussion on thursday. He did not want me to take because it can cause excessive bleeding. He appoligized for not calling me and when I called him he relized why I was calling. he also said I did the right thing by calling. He said he would call in stronger hydo/apap when i finsish the 5/500

so I am glad I called i was fumming about the pharmsist and it had nothing to with him!
I should never assume but when comes to opiates we are always alittle nervous

john g

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Re: should I make an issue of it [Re: johng]
      #134908 - 02/06/04 07:20 PM

John, I am glad your doctor was on your side, yes alot of the time we are too hesitant to assert ourselves when it comes to pain medication. So if I understand your post the doctor actually said one thing and then wrote a different script? Then we would have to let this pharmacist off the hook, but I totally understand Pickles' attitude, I am sure Pickles has had plenty of guff dealt to him/her by pharmacists. Most of us have.

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Re: should I make an issue of it [Re: CeeBee]
      #135083 - 02/07/04 11:19 AM

Glad everything was cleared up, JohnG. It makes perfect sense. You shouldn't take any NSAIDS or aspirin for days before a surgery.

I feel you CeeBee. I know I never speak up as much as I should when I need pain meds. I'm always afraid they'll stamp "drug-seeker" in my file somewhere.

N.S.


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