mpcagh
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Does long term opiate use cause weight gain? I thought I read somewhere that it can. Any thoughts?
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heidi1288
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It causes me to gain weight--mostly fluid retention.
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NJ_Hoss
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You're asking more than one question. Does it? It can. Can it? Yes. Will it? Probably not in and of itself; but it might. How's that for an answer? 
Weight gain does not tend to be one of the most prominent side effects; in fact, many experience a degree nausea and reduced appetite. However, opiates do have a depressant effect, and in the grand scheme of things, those requiring pain medications are inherently likely to be performing less physical activity; and its additional sedative effects may further reduce overall physical activity.
There may be some correleation between the use of opiate use and weight gain, but it is more likely to result from related issues than the medication itself.
I hope this helps!
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catmom
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I have never used opiates long term but short term use has caused me to LOSE weight, probably due to reduced appetite. Just my .02 Catmom
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I have been on Hydro for a little over a year now, and have lost a lot of weight. That may be because I had a baby in Oct, 2002 and I was just due to lose weight, but I definantly have no appetite on opiate medication.
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night_shade
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I can only speak for methadone. But it DEFINITELY contributes to weight gain. I gained over 60lbs in the 7 years I was on 100mgs daily dose total.
The weight gain specifically was caused from SUGAR CRAVINGS and probably the complete slow-down of my metabolism by this drug. I was 23 when I got on it and weighed 115lbs (I'm 5' 8") and now, at 31 (almost 32) I have LOST all the weight exponentially as my methadone dose decreased. I now take 3.5mgs a day and no longer have the intense sugar cravings that would wake me up in the middle of the night. In fact, I hardly ever eat candy at all now.
Sometimes the wieght gain can be explained by the fact that once a person gets adequate pain control, they experience a better appetite.
Weight gain can also come from the natural slow-down of our metabolisms once we hit our late 20's-early 30's.
In reality, weight gain can be from anything. In my case, it is documentable that my weight gain came from methadone (or at least the physiological changes to my body as a result of taking methadone.
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BlackCat
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I was working on a low-cholesterol weight loss diet when I started taking opiates. I was having trouble sticking to it and making much progress with my weight until the opiates. They actually made me "feel better" and must have released the right chemicals in my brain (someone out there probably knows what happened in my brain) because I ate much less, was more active (felt less back pain) and wasn't hungry at all. I lost about 40 pounds in 3 months.
Unfortunately, prolonged use of opiates led to higher tolerance and more of the groggy, slow feeling days, which led to less activity, which led to some weight re-gain, which led to more back pain, which led to a higher dose of pain meds, which led to higher tolerance.....you see where I'm going...
BTW, I've been wondering why I crave sugar so much now and my Jan/Feb candy of choice is those little candy hearts (Brachs are better than classic Necco) which I've been gobbling up...well, like candy...lately. Perhaps I'm experiencing some of the same things you described Night Shade.
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Julz
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It causes me to gain weight--mostly fluid retention.
I'm in agreement with Heidi on this one!
JMO,
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night_shade
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Black Cat-
I watched many people who enrolled in the methadone maintenance program go from being little twigs to grossly obese while I spent my 7 years on it. It happened so often, in fact, that it prompted the clinic to offer "healthy eating" groups.
I personally ate Milk Duds and Starburst. I swear to God, I would actually wake up in the middle of the night craving sugar so badly that I would drive to the store and get some if I didn't have any at home.
And now I pay for it with my deteriorating teeth!
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I have to comment here, I have to say when I am taking a pain pill, I crave sugar. Also I get very depressed when I am in pain, as alot of us do, and I do not want to eat a thing when I am depressed. I think the connection could be that when you get some relief from the pain you are happier, in turn eating more. That is just my point of view....
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turcica
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I personally have noticed an increase in cravings ( sugar especially) and also fluid retention. I guess everybody is different. turcica
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NJ_Hoss
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I watched many people who enrolled in the methadone maintenance program go from being little twigs to grossly obese while I spent my 7 years on it.
I would suspect that the consistently radical weight gain among those specific folks may be highly attributable to the fundamental lifestyle change that occurs for many upon entering methadone maintenance whose lifestyle, finances, and daily routine may no longer focus on "scoring", or even more diligently, trying to not get "sick" at the expense of many things, including nutrition.
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Firefairy
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In the past 15 years I have been on hydro or oxy for 1,2,3 years and then off of it for a couple of years (or months). Average weight on:160-180. Average weight off: 130-140. No difference in eating habits, exercise habits, etc. Because of the nature of my condition I control both of these very carefully. I have taken predisone the entire time, and it does cause weight gain, but the dose was consistant the entire time. The only altering factor was if I was in need of strong painkillers on a daily basis.
So in my case anyway, the answer would be yes.
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night_shade
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I would suspect that the consistently radical weight gain among those specific folks may be highly attributable to the fundamental lifestyle change that occurs for many upon entering methadone maintenance whose lifestyle, finances, and daily routine may no longer focus on "scoring", or even more diligently, trying to not get "sick" at the expense of many things, including nutrition.
The only problem with this logic is the assumption that everyone who is on the methadone maintenance program is a heroin junkie or pill freak. The reality is I know many, many others like myself who had nowhere else to turn when the pain medications were abruptly discontinued by our physicians. I have never even seen heroin, much less used it. And I didn't get on methadone to get a buzz. I got on it as an efficient way to manage my pain issues and prevent withdrawal.
I would even venture to say that many people here on DB are going through the same stressors to "score" by trying to come up with money for OPs, going to multiple doctors trying to find one with compassion, buying medications sometimes illegally to prevent withdrawal or help pain. There is a very fine line on this issue and not many people who aren't CP sufferers would be able to tell the difference between the two.
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You're correct; my assumption is that many of those undergoing methadone treatment are doing so resulting from illicit drug use, regardless of type, and the conclusions I've reached upon having examined studies throughout the past several years conducted or analyzed by the WHO (World Health Organization), NIDA (National Insititute on Drug Abuse), and my own participation in a variety professional conferences and activities of which opiate addiction and treatment methods were a part. Calling patients heroin junkies or pill freaks serves no purpose, and I would never even imply that this was the case. It is simply (and infinitely complexly) a disease of different origin.
I based my assumption and opinion that most who are in methadone treatment do so as a result of wanting to stop drug use, not for the treatment of pain, for which they would be participating in a different sort of therapy altogether, which may very well include the prescribed use of methadone. Because those with chronic pain continue to take prescribed medication as part of their therapy, there is an inherently lower probability of a chronic pain patient seeking to maintain or withdraw via conventional methadone maintenance treatments.
Also, because the actual rate of addiction among chronic pain sufferers is surprisingly low, with physical dependence being another issue entirely, the number of chronic or intractible pain patients opting for methadone maintenance therapy over physician-assisted self-tapering would tend to limit itself.
If my response was in any way construed as a judgement or aspersion upon those who may be seeking treatment for any reason, I absolutely did not intend it to be. My mind never even considred that point of view. Nor did I intend it to be a broad brush painted across all who may be participating in methadone maintenance, and I was careful to include qualifiers such as "many", and "tend", and "I suspect". I intended it to be an observation of the social manifestations that often accompany addiction, nothing more.
I congratulate every methadone maintenance patient for having had the courage to pursue it, regardless of their medical or personal circumstance. I clearly don't support illicit drug use, but not at the expense of the one overriding priority I try to express, which is individual empowerment with the goal of each person having access to the best best possible individual healthcare options.
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I have been on opiates for chronic pain for the last year and I didn't gain my current 30 pounds until September...so that might just be my winter weight/hibernation/less active thingy.
However, a few years ago, when I was totally binging on any and every benzo (i could kick myself for that today) i LOST weight...TONS of weight.
I am normally 120 and size 6, today I am 150 and size 10, and back on my benzo abuse I was 110 pounds and size 4. I am very happy and comfortable being a size 6-8 as I am tall at 5'9" so i do wear the heavier weight well but I DON'T LIKE IT!!!!!!!
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piper65111
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I have gained about fifty pounds since Ive been on hydro.And you are definatly right about some of the people on these boards being just as bad as herion addicts.You can hear the desperation when people are about to run out.Myself included.
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Julz
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Pocahantas~
I'm curious- approximately how long were you taking Benzos? The reason I ask is that although most people DO lose weight on anti-anxiety and/or anti-depression meds, the weight loss is almost always in the 1st month or 2 or 3, and then...POW- rapid weight gain once long-term use is established. I know for myself, I gained over 30 lbs when I was prescribed Paxil- I too, lost weight at first, and then gained it all about 5 or 6 mths into taking it. Same as Night Shade, I remember waking up in the middle of the night with sugar cravings- one night I ate an entire cake all by myself!!!! GROSS!!
The nickname for Paxil is "Pack-it-on". I wonder if those who are taking pain meds are also taking Benzos as well.
Just wondering,
Julz
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Pocahontas
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Pocahantas~
I'm curious- approximately how long were you taking Benzos? The reason I ask is that although most people DO lose weight on anti-anxiety and/or anti-depression meds, just wondering,
julz
Julz, I really don't remember exact timeframes involved. I know I was on Prozac for a bit which gave me diarrhea and I lost tons of weight and my doc gave me something to counteract that (?) but then I was cocktailing xanax, klonopin, valium at the same time and soon I was smaller than ever. I liked it tho!!! It was probably over a six month or less period that I lost all the weight. I never ate anything, just little means with the family at night and Soda all day with my med cocktails.
I am much rehabed now thanks to a car accident that nearly killed me but i am still in constant pain and resorting to OPs since the docs here don't feel I need any pain relief. Wish they walked in my shoes.....
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FYI, opiates lower blood sugar. A cigarette temporarily raises it, then causes it to go lower than it was before- which is why you tend to chain-smoke on opiates if you're a smoker.
I've lost weight since being on opiates, which I attribute to less appetite. Don't know how much, it was enough for me to notice it, maybe 8-10 pounds.
And when I was on Zoloft, I lost weight too- which I hear is unusual. I really didn't like Zoloft- very much flattened out my moods (couldn't be happy, couldn't be sad- was just even; I imagine this is a good thing if you're very severely depressed). It obliterated my appetite, I was eating an apple or some kind of fruit for lunch and a small dinner- and wasn't bothered by it. Also did the same thing for my sex drive. Very happy to be off that drug.
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