quaker
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I know I have seen this pill before I am not sure of what the stength is. I am pretty sure it is name brand vicodin. Never ordered name brand. Pink oval pill with V on one side 3600 on the other side. Thanks for the info.
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Whatsnew
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Tough one! SEEMS to be 10/500 generic Lortab. Did it come from an OP? I have seen a lot of educated guesses on this one. You may end up calling a pharmacy for ID. Sometimes it can be difficult getting a definite ID on generics.
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dsack
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If it was brand-name vicodin, it would have the entire word spelled on the pill. If it just has a "V" on one side, it is a vintage-brand generic.
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night_shade
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I found V 3601 (Vintage pharmaceuticals) which is 10/325 hydro/APAP.
See picture:

Nowhere could I find 3600.
Edited- Got it- the 3600 is 10/500 hydro/APAP
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Edited by night_shade (01/06/04 11:56 AM)
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Anonymous
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I am a newbie to the OP world. Just recieved my first prescription. My prescription was for norco 10/325. I recieved oval yellow pills with Watson 853 imprinted on them. If I am understanding from a post I read these are generic Norco and that Watson makes Norco. Right???? Seems silly to me that a company would make both a generic and brand name of the same drug. Are the Norco better???? I had been taking 10mg Lortab with 500 of APAP and requested the Norco for less Tylenol. Thought my liver would thank me. Also, Does anyone notice a difference in effectiveness in regards to the amount of Tylenol with Hyrdocodone 10mg. (like 325mg vs 500mg)
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TR6
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The formulation of the brand-name Norco tablets includes two inactive ingredients that are not in the generic version (also made by Watson), otherwise they are identical. However, I've noticed a difference -- the brand name Norco tablets that I got from a local pharmacy on two different occasions made me nauseous, to the point that I could not take them and had to throw them away. I have no way of knowing exactly why I had this reaction, but there were some other people who said they had a similar experience with brand Norco. Needless to say, I never request the brand name tablets.
The difference in the amount of tylenol in the different strengths has no effect on the efficacy of the narcotic -- in other words, APAP doesn't "potentiate" hydro, the only difference would be the added minor amount of pain relief that the higher dosage of tylenol would give you. It certainly is a good idea to take less apap, especially over the long term.
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Whatsnew
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Thanks for the info. Please post a reference on this.
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TR6
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If you're asking about the tablet ingredients, go to the Watson Labs website (below) and at the bottom of the page is a link for brand and generic products which have ingredient lists.
http://www.watsonpharm.com/new/product_data.asp?page_type=HTML
If you're asking about apap not potentiating hydro, I don't know of a good link, I've just read about this in various places, including DB. In order for anything to really potentiate an opiate drug, it has to be something that actually has a method of action that would somehow alter the way the drug is absorbed or metabolized. Some examples of this are proglumide, which does this by inhibiting an enzyme that contributes to tolerance (or something like that, I'm trying to remember what I read), or stomach acid blockers/reducers like tagamet -- I think they work by limiting the amount of opiate destroyed in the stomach, and increasing absorption. I'm not sure about this so please don't quote me on it, but I think that when you take hydrocodone bitartrate, it is converted to a hydrochloride salt by HCL in the stomach; tagamet prevents this from happening, so a different form of hydrocodone is actually being absorbed when you take an acid blocker, one that hasn't been chemically converted. There is no mechanism by which tylenol has any effect on the absorption or metabolism of opiates. The real reason they put apap into scheduled medications is to reduce the potential for abuse, it's written right into the lawbooks that way. Here's my favorite quote on this subject, from Dr. Harris, who writes on sci.net:
"... the FDA uses APAP for narcotics (including barbiturates) in much the same way methanol is used for ethanol. To wit: as a toxic "denaturation" agent to make sure you don't, or can't, take too much before your liver rots or your kidneys quit. The APAP therefore makes the difference between a lot of schedule II and III drugs. FDA's reasoning is that these drugs *can't* be greatly abused for very long, or the user will be dead or disabled, which is a perfectly fine outcome in the war on drugs (see "war on people").
Now, if you accused the FDA of this deliberate policity, it would deny it. Since of course there are an awful lot of former Darvon abusers on chronic renal dialysis. But that's the way it is.
Steve Harris, M.D."
I think his point at the end about Darvon is that the FDA would claim that since there are many Darvon abusers on dialysis, then how can you accuse us of intentionally poisoning people with apap, since it is Darvocet that has the apap in it. Or something like that. This is just a pet peeve of mine, I didn't mean to go on about it, especially in a pill ID thread.
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lovepink
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Quote:
Also, Does anyone notice a difference in effectiveness in regards to the amount of Tylenol with Hyrdocodone 10mg. (like 325mg vs 500mg)
Absolutely. 10/325s are like sugar pills for me with virtually no pain relief or "warm & fuzzies" even if I quadrupled my dosage. 10/500s, on the other hand, work very well for me but everyone's body chemistry is different.
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