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jbnugget
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A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself
      #93212 - 08/13/03 12:41 AM

So many people worry about OPs. You have to assess the dangers in a realistic way and make your choice. Well, at least that is how I try to live my life.

I live within a large urbanified area and have no criminal record. My nose has always been clean(or at least it looks so)and I'm a productive member of society. I actually have a LEGAL firearms collection with a permit to carry as well as permission to own large rifle and pistol magazines (10 rounds). Over a dozen years ago (just as I started collecting firearms) I was having an emotional problem which I self-medicated using opiates. My brother discovered that I'd used about 30 of his triplicates. He had to turn me over to the DEA to protect himself. Of course, he was just a wee pissed , too. I knew I had a problem & did not want anyone but myself to get in trouble so I cooperated and was 100% honest with everyone. The DEA called me and we set a time when they'd come to my place. Now, they knew I had a magnum sized handgun and I reassured them that I was not "That kind of guy."

Two agents showed up at my door, on the dot, with their jackets pulled back so I could easily see their weapons. It's sort of funny because I am not that kind of guy and was calm about the whole gun thing. I was only worried about what I'd already done. There was NO WAY I was going to make it worse. It amused me that they were nervous about the guns. I really am a peaceful person. To this day, the only living things I've ever shot were a few oranges. After I invited them in I offered to either get my handgun to show them it was not even loaded or would tell them where they could find it. They weren't interested, but they calmed down noticeably after I spoke so openly and honestly about my weapons (they also knew that I had 2 rifles.)

We talked amicably about "stuff" and I spilled my guts to the best of my ability. To make this story short, I was supposedly going to get a letter from them telling me when and where I'd surrender. They said I'd do several hundred hours community service and ABSOLUTELY NO time as it was my first offense (I did not tell them I'd been doing similar stuff for years). I never wrote for more than 30-40 Percs (no way I was a distributor) and I've got graduate degrees in prestigious fields. You know those ads about "people judge you by the way you speak" ? THEY'RE TRUE. Part of the reason few people ever think I've used pills is just because I don't seem like that sort of person. Friends, almost all of us are that sort of person.

They said "Gee, we'd like you to give up your guns." I asked "Do I have to? Do you have some sort of document authorizing you to take them?" "No" they said. "Then, no." I said. Then they left and I awaited the arrival of the dreaded letter for surrender.

It didn't arrive after a week.

A month later and still no sign of a letter.

I promised to shorten this, so here it is - There never was a letter and the case seemed to just disappear.

I'm convinced the DEA has some awfully Best if kept off the board big and dangerous preoccupations. L'il ol' me was wasn't worth the time or effort. No one then or now in government has the time or resources to attack this problem of people using 'normal' amounts of Rx drugs. OK, yeah, now and again some poor schmuck gets nailed just to show "We're right on top of it, Ma'am." Maybe a few unlucky people are chewed up for the press to show the public. It might even be decided to put on the dog and pony show for a month. Eventually, other things that are important will come to the fore and the few people who were set up to be consumed by the public will either be let go with a slap on the wrist or, at most/worst spend a very short time locked up. Before long, 'everyone' will forget leave with a 'Get out of jail free' card which also has written on it 'Do not pass God'?

All of my losses using the web have thus far been crooks. I do appreciate no seizures yet. Besides, I'd rather be ripped off by a crook not employed by any government. In the periods of time I've used the web I've made unbelievably stupid mistakes, stupid mistakes, dumb mistakes and plain old mistakes. These boards have also been enormously useful in winnowing out the jerks. The result is that I use only a small handful of OPs who I have found to be reliable, package innocuously and accept CCs. Someday one of my small (200 pills max) packages might get seized. I've won most, lost few. I'm betting that all that happens is a few letters arrive in my mail and then it will just fade away. The US has so much more important issues to handle. Maybe I will be one of those very few who are made into an example. But, I really doubt it.

I've looked intently at these and other boards. The number of those who actually get in trouble - not just have a shipment seized - is infinitesimal, especially if you measure that number against the eruption which occurs when someone writes to complain 'merely' of a seizure.

Of all the tens of thousands of letters on this and other forums my memory recalls less than a handful per year of people who get in real trouble. And they're usually no stranger to the authorities.

I rarely tell ANYONE that I do this. I introduce even fewer to these details of procuring. By keeping my mouth shut I protect not only myself, but also all of you as well as the system which help so many of us with real issues to obtain some of the relief we need and deserve.


Whoa! It's awfully late here. I hope this bit of a rant helps calm down a few of you out there. I don't know if I'm very smart. If making mistakes is one way to learn then I must be a freaking genius. Read these boards, don't talk a lot about this (except here), keep your orders small, use several reliable OPs and DON'T WORRY. Who knows, you might need to take even fewer pills.

Here I am suggesting you not yammer and I can't shut up!
Hope some find this useful.

I was going to do laundry tonite. Best if kept off the board! oh well, Later..... javascript:void(0)


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chevygal
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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself [Re: jbnugget]
      #93217 - 08/13/03 01:46 AM

jbnugget
I don't have anything near as interesting to reply, I think you should write for a living. YOu write very well and I have to say at 4:30 a.m. I enjoyed reading your post. Not the fact that you have been through Best if kept off the board I just think you write well and I personally appreciated your post. I am sure at the time who ever gets in "that little bit" of trouble it seems as though the world has come to an end, but in the grand scheme of things it is a pitance. I do not use IOP's, am to chicken, I think a letter from the "whoever it it" would in itself be enought to make me have a coronary. Anyway, you have a way with words and I apprecaited it, and you really should write a book.
chevygal


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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself [Re: jbnugget]
      #93222 - 08/13/03 04:09 AM

Glad things worked out for you.

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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself [Re: jbnugget]
      #93223 - 08/13/03 04:11 AM

I really enjoyed your post. You managed to reassure, entertain and educate at the same time. Wow! Write more posts, please!

And by the way welcome to the board!

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chevygal
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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself [Re: jbnugget]
      #93227 - 08/13/03 05:35 AM

Prettyday welcomed you and asked you to post more often. I welcome you also, I do see you have been registered here for a while. I am sure you must wait until the time if right for you to post and feel you have something to contribute but please do so more often.
chevygal


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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself [Re: jbnugget]
      #93321 - 08/13/03 01:02 PM

jbnugget - I demand a weekly (or monthly) op/ed/post from you!

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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself [Re: jbnugget]
      #93333 - 08/13/03 01:39 PM

I enjoyed reading your post. You know that alot of people have alot to say but really don't say alot...you are one of those rare individuals who are informative and educated in life. Post often (and late, it seems to work for you)!! Look forward to more of what you have to say here.

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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself [Re: mslily]
      #93779 - 08/15/03 12:29 PM

Jbnugget - -

I must agree with my fellow DBers, I was quickly engaged by your writing and although it looked a tad bit long (you should see some of my posts, they are so long that they make your post look merely like a short quote!)it never read like it was really long. I guess that is what seperates the good writers from, um, well...ME!

However, I just wanted to ask one question, and please do not take this the wrong way as I just was curious after reading your post, and my question is: What do you take the pain meds for? I am not trying to sound like I am preaching, because I am not, for goodness sakes I have been preached at by my husband, my parents, and a few doctors so I know I have no room to speak, but.....(Ya, I bet someone was just waiting for the BUT to show up here, um anyway...) O.K. BUT, I can not help but feel concerned about you when you mention that the reason you ever started taking opiates was because you were having some emotional problems in which you self medicated, and because you used an illegal triplicate, you were caught. But did you ever stop self-medicating with the opiates?

I hope that you have gotten some therapy for the emotional problems and that you have not just continued to use the opiates for self-medication because I can honestly say that although my back pain was and still is INSANELY PAINFUL, I not only felt less pain upon taking the pain meds, but I also numbed some of the emotional pain I was going through.

It became a bit obvious to my husband and my parents that I was falling asleep while sitting up and talking with somewhat slurred words and that I had been taking to many of my prescribed pills (prescribed by my family doctor, my surgeon and online) and that something had to give.

Well something did give and that was me. One night after one more of my husbands "talks" I decided to just dump every last pill down the toilet. I cried and cried and then I got pretty sick. Initially I was proud that I had done it, but that faded very quickly. My poor husband had no idea how much stuff I had really been taking (and mixing, soma, xanax, MSContin, Vicodn, and several, several others) so he did not know I would experience such withdrawls, but he soon found out how bad it would be.

Luckily I sought medical treatment on day 3 of my withdrawls, even though I had no idea how I would be able to get up and even move. I had soaked through 3 sets of sheets from sweating so bad and even though it was warm outside I had to have the heat on almost up to 90 degrees. Not to mention the electric blanket and the heaters all around me. It was a nightmare, but when I finally went to the doctor, I received methadone and clonidine and I felt better within 4 hours of taking it. Seriously, it was a miracle.

I have gone from all of those meds, to nothing, to methadone, then duragesic patches, and now, oxycontin and oxycodone. I have not taken any more than has been prescribed and I have actually been going down in dose each week. This is inspiring because along with Physical Therapy, I have high hopes that I will not have to be on this stuff the rest of my life.

So I do get concerned when I read a post like yours. I just hope that you are no longer self-medicating with opiates and that the meds you get online are for other reasons.

Please forgive me if I have intruded, as I truly did not mean to. I know there may be a reason why you have been around for a long time without posting a whole lot and that could be because you were afraid of messages like mine. But I just wanted you to know that there are so many people on this board that have gone through experiences like mine, and they helped me SO much when I needed them the most. So if you ever need to chat, drop me a PM.

Good luck




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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself [Re: jbnugget]
      #94032 - 08/16/03 07:22 PM

Wonderful, Articulate, Concise, and in a world
full of so much tension ... oh so calming.
Thank you!!
Have a wonderful week.


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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself [Re: jbnugget]
      #94073 - 08/17/03 02:39 AM

Wow, talk about luck. I, on the other hand, have the "luck of the Irish". Lovely that I have that wonderful family luck. Has anyone ever told you guys that the luck of the Irish is not good? Quite ironic isn't it? BTW? Just wondering if you still have problems with medications, or how you broke that habit.

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jbnugget
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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let m [Re: chevygal]
      #95214 - 08/22/03 10:39 PM

I thank all of you for the interest and praise. But, BE CAREFUL of what you ask for! Y'all get me going writing and you might see only me posting on these boards.

Thanks again,
jbnugget


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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself [Re: jbnugget]
      #96788 - 08/29/03 10:44 PM

JB:

I, too, enjoyed your post. Very engaging.

One remark. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for showing everybody here that paragraphs are your friend!!!

It is so difficult (well...actually...I don't even attempt it any longer) to read an extremely long post that is ONE (1) painful, excruciating, torturous, nightmarish paragraph LONG!!!!!

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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself [Re: Beetlenut]
      #96817 - 08/30/03 05:35 AM

Quote:

One remark. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for showing everybody here that paragraphs are your friend!!!

It is so difficult (well...actually...I don't even attempt it any longer) to read an extremely long post that is ONE (1) painful, excruciating, torturous, nightmarish paragraph LONG!!!!!




Second that


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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself [Re: Caveman6666]
      #98220 - 09/05/03 02:45 PM

I too enjoyed your post. You DO have a gift for writing! And, I also appreciate the use of paragraphs. It's so hard to read a long post that goes on and on.

I hope everyone has a great weekend!

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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself [Re: jbnugget]
      #103517 - 09/28/03 01:40 PM

I would think the fact that you had firearms (and I understand that you possessed them legally) was what brought the law in full-force. I would imagine that if you didn't possess them legally, you'd be doing time in a Federal prison right now.

In either case, I sympathize with your situation and have some close (relative) personal experience with many of the things you described. With sentencing guidelines the way they are, and the fact that drug dealers do more time than murderers, nothing about the way the DEA or related agencies handle themselves surprises me any longer.

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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself [Re: jbnugget]
      #103592 - 09/28/03 09:47 PM

Welcome to the board. Thank you for your very well written and very inspiring post. Please post more often and know that you will be a valuable asset to the DB family here. Again, welcome aboard and I agree that you have a way with your ability to express yourself so well.

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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let my imagination speak to and play by itself [Re: samisu]
      #103634 - 09/29/03 06:13 AM

I wonder what ever happen to this person??? Haven't seen a post after this.
chevygal


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Re: A story of getting caught and why I now let m [Re: chevygal]
      #107118 - 10/12/03 10:35 PM

I think he's waiting until he has another good story to tell!

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