Dr123
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Well I certainly did not intend to stir up the nest. I have not bought any meds off the internet since 1999. I was certainly trying to get some peace about my first purchace since 1999, which I made less than 3 weeks ago. Of course I left out a bunch of facts: I had to testify before a federal court and was advised I might be safer moving to another city. I will overlook the BS flag comment since I did not give you all the facts. You will also recall that I only said that the agent said that the DEA has fake online drug associations. I do not know what they intend to catch. I think I make it clear that I hope they are not looking at us. I would think this since the people who went to jail were big sellers. Concerning the doc who got put on probation, i would love to supply his name but that would be harmful to him. He made a mistake and he has done his time so to speak. I doubt the authorities went after him solely on my account, but they told me about what they did to him evidently to make me feel a bit better in the revenge department; ie, they did feel like I would like to hear that the guy who was the reason why I went to 'jail' and lost 15 months of work had to pay up too. Actually, if I remember correctly, he was not the guy that I disliked for not prescribing, the real bad guy in my case got away with only getting fired from the big neurological group that he had just joined. remember, I posted that the DEA agent said that my purchace was ok. Where some of you went with this being my warning that addressed us all as being one step away from jail I do not know, we lingusitics call it eisexegesis--reading into a text a particular meaning one is partial to. But, I do it too from time to time. Chill. today's developments for my pain is this, the MRI result will not be available until tomorrow, but my pain doc will not prescribe me any more meds. He wants to see me tomorrow at *:30 before he sees patients. He can't fire me: that's against the law, but I suspect he will just pull the plug so that I will go elsewhere. So, I have put in a call to a doc at my church (I taught his SS class and did a seminar on addiction for him at a hospital where he sends a lot of patients. Maybe he will take me on and be understanding; however, I hate to impose on our friendship. The other thought is this: you guys have blessed me so much by showing me that it is ok to buy off the internet (I don't know what op means unless it is 'overseas pharmacy'but that does not seem to fit the context here since you seem to prefer to buy from USA companies as i do. So, if anyone has a suggestion for an emergency place to buy, I will consider it a blessing. It seems that in the last two days someone asked the same thing and US pharmacy seemed to get a vote. Youronlinedoctor seemed to get a lot of votes for those with medical records. I can only imagine what my records will look like after today's talk with my neurologist. I hope I addressed all that the membership asked in regards to my earlier post. If not just let me know and I shall try my best to set the record straight. At present I shall reread my post and replies to see where I could have made things look merky. 
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Dr123
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Reged: 08/19/03
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Loc: south
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here's a reply to my earlier post. What I said was this: But he told me that what he told me several years is a reality now; that is, the DEA has a few fake ops set up to catch abusers. What this means in particular I do not know, but I am still a bit afraid to buy meds online without supplying my complete records and doing everything I can to assure the possible onlookers that I have a real pain problem. I liked the fact that the agent had no love for docs who refuse to help us. Of course I am a rookie at this,
I am sorry that some of you read into my post 'to catch some abusers.' AS the following sentence states, 'What this means in particular I do not know...' I would have read that to mean drug dealers or serious abusers and not legit pain patients. With two PhD degrees in lingusitics and biblical interpretation that includes translating the Dead Sea Scrolls, I should have known better: I should have been more plain in my verbage. forgive 
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val
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Now doc123, your computer time is up, let me loosen your straps so you can drink your warm milk.
Oh come on Nurse Ratchet, just a few more posts. PLEEASE.
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surpri
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lol-I have been a member of db since 2001 and one thing that I noticed was that the rules to get controlled meds were made stricter over time. A one page medical report or no records and a short telephone consult resulted in a prescription. Then they added medical records as a necessity, I am aware of NWW, but that will change soon and they technically require them. Proof of physical within the last yr was added to some, now medical records need to have a diagnosis and not an emergency room "my back hurts" discharge paper. Porta-medic was introduced and there are a couple that require an ok from primary physician. Then a few months ago, buymeds, erx, tropicalrx popped up with no records and no one calling you/or rare if they do. I havent ordered from any of those places, I can only go by posts. With all the new restrictions and states that won't accept online meds, these pop up. It isn't that hard to believe that DEA has set these up or monitor them and then with warrant, seize records and probably catch some buyers who do more than double dip, then they can get credit card records of those buyers who may be selling on the street and probably obtain fedex and UPS delivery logs to address. I know pharmanet was closed down or was in trouble. I am not going to comment on the person starting the thread, there are alot of liars and fakes online and if you can't prove it either way, you could be wrong. Who even knows if the prescribing doctors for these OP's, assuming names are on bottles are real doctors or still licensed to practice. This is a very strange turn for getting meds with the erx sites as all other sites require more and more information and proof from their patients. I don't need to wear a straight jacket to point out this obvious change. Law enforcement has been setting up undercover businesses for a long time or undercover agents and its not just the DEA. If the poster here is truly afraid, he shouldnt order from those OP's
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antique
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Reged: 09/01/03
Posts: 215
Loc: east coast
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My question got lost in the back and forth...I am curious as to which OP you ordered from 3 weeks ago that is no longer online. Did you get the meds you ordered from them? I ask because they may have gone offline and repoened under another name if they are scammers.
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Beetlenut
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Reged: 09/09/02
Posts: 765
Loc: Colorado
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Hey Doc:
OP=Online Physician, sometimes Online Pharmacy
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Dr123
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Reged: 08/19/03
Posts: 39
Loc: south
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the place where I ordered was called firstmedsrx. I was a bit bothered that a questionaire was all they asked. I had my records in hand ready to fax but they never phoned or emailed me. Withim the past week or so the list have had posts as you know now asking what happened to firstmedsrx? I asked if it were the same as 1stmedsrx. hope this helps and you even know the answer. 
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Dr123
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Reged: 08/19/03
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Loc: south
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thanks for a well done update. Gee, I hope the situation does not get so bad that we can't buy pain meds (and othe meds for those who need it). Sometimes I would have died I guess in pain. It's just not fair for us to have to live like this. Inbetween schooling I used to sell medical supplies (15 years), 7 years selling pharmecuticals. The year befor last I sold the new (at the time) Norco 10/325 and I can tell you that docs did not jumb on it or display to me any indication that they saw the need for it until I showed them the flyer that the company gave us of the hundreds of OTC products that contained Tylenol. We tried to see Norco by showing the doc that in addition to the pain pill he/she prescribes the patient is selfmedicating with more than a few other OTC products like Tylenol PM for sleep, cough meds, and et al as you know. Still, it was a slow sell and they would not see the need for letting the patient have more narcotic (the daily limit is 240 mg) and seemed to like having the rate determining step set with the daily limit of 4g of Tylenol. I always failed to get them to see that it was the Tylenol that was nearly killing their patients, not the narcotic!!!!That's when I dtarted digging my own grave and I would have burried myself had I not remembered that my family needs me to not only life but to correct the wrong ideas docs have (a quixotic quest for sure) and my obligation to society to do the same: aI may not have considered myself a fireman anymore but I saw a fire and I had a bucket of water. May I never quit again!
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L5s1
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Reged: 05/22/03
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"Quixotic Quest"---can I use that?
You're quite a wordsmith!
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flea
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Reged: 05/17/02
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Dude, I am SO comfused right now. What the heck are you guys talking about? Did I miss something or what??
Oh wait a second, I did just notice the title of this post is DEA post "two" which must mean somewhere on the board there is a DEA post one which probably explains all of this.
Yes it must seem unbelievable to many of you out there that I opted not to go into rocket science or become a brain surgeon as only a genious could have figured that one out. Hmmmmm, the few posts in this specific subject area seem slightly random in design and delivery. Therefore I must channel all of my brain cells and problem solving skills to find out just exactly what Dr 123, Val, Surpri, Antique, Bettlenut, and Tom S are talking about.
Besides the fact it took me over 13 hours to finally translate the intricate "code" being covertly designed by these members, I feel satisfied that the complexity of this specific detective work essentially yielded a great BIG pay off. Yes in deed, rewarding and gratifying are the only two words that can describe my feelings the very moment I became aware that post "two" meant that there was indeed a post prior to this one that had information relevant to those who would come to discover they were reading a post entitled, "RE: DEA post two" which basically made NO SENSE AT ALL without prior knowledge of DEA post one, if you catch my drift.
For those of you reading this I truly hope you understand I am kidding about this. Obviously I did not spend 13 hours trying to figure out what this whole thread was talking about. No, it really took me 21 1/2 hours to figure it out! HA HA HA
I am completely kidding with everyone. I guess I am a little bored right now so I decided to play around with my favorite online friends in the workd, my fellow DB friends!!!! And to be honest, I did get very confused upon reading this post, and I really did not see the subject area for this post that said part two. luckily it only took me one minute to see that, but I thought it would be funny to look like a real moron. Heck, I do that all the time anyway without the benefit of admitting "I was only kidding" so I am used to it. But it was sure nice to be able to stick that in at the last few sentences of the paragraph. You know, as if I thought I was some kind of without effort. brilliant brain child that was able to figure out any kind of complicated puzzle out there. In reality i couldn't figure out a difficult puzzle or highly complex word question if i tried. Seriously, I tried to watch the 2nd to last episode of "For Love or Money 2" and I was lost. HA
Anyway all, sorry for the babbling there, I am just extremely bored at the very moment and I have got nothin' to do. GOODBYE ALL!
P.S. In my defense, this was a confusing thread. Not everyone takes the time to read each subject area in full before starting on each individual post. Someone should have started this topic while first referencing the first thread so others could read all of those posts firat. Just a thought.
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Dr123
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I would grant you permission if I ever had an original idea! I forgot where I got that one. In the spirit of true confessions, I am afraid I am only what I have found to be the best in others and tried somehow to pour their spirit into my own broken vessel. But, if I got a saying right I am honored that someone sees worth in it; lets pass the praise on to the original author and to our maker who made us all a part of each other (including the person who thinks up well worded thoughts) 
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bushstalin04
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I read above that someone mentioned that buymeds, erx, etc could be set up by DEA. I have something to kind of add to that...does anybody notice the huge amount of random sites that auto link to buymeds.com For instance, you'll get an email telling you about a site and when you link to that site, you automatically end up at buymeds...its really strange. I've never seen this type of thing being done with any other website anywhere.Its like they're buying up all of these domain names or something and then having them all link back to them same site...I don't know what the deal is....I just thought that was strange. I don't know if that makes it look like a setup or not
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JCBELIEVER
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It is called ecommerce. The computer industry is full of them, I should know about that. A wholesale company has its own buyer to buyer site kind of like wholesale. Resalers can lease their site for a small fee & use their own domain. The site that the domain is actually for, has to complete all transactons but the computer parts all come from the same company. They slap your return mailing address on the package to ship direct to your customer. YOu also have the ability to chose your markups on products shipping & sales depending how much & which ones you think is right for you. I know of about 8 computer sites like this , all have the same basic layout with the exception of the domain name & sometimes the hoome page. I can't say this for sure about op's but I am sure alot of it is the same concept. Most companies know how to change the urls's on all the pages to match their own domain but you can tell when they don;t really know what they are doing. It is very legal for sites like this to mask their own domain or point to their own domains because they have leased the rights to do so. That's how I know alot of the same places use the same pharmacies because they actually come from the original site. All sites would not be like this, but I would say 90% of the email sites you get with links are ( always wondered about those affiliate programs. well there you go now you know.
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prettyday
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Yeah where is that post one anyhow? I was looking too!  
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EMJ
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Hi Pretty, I think it was moved to "Other Related Topics". I think that's the one you're looking for, hope this is right. EMJ
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rootloot
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Reged: 08/23/03
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Loc: Minnesota
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wow, i don't have time to dig for the scoop, but I saw some key words that look like good reading 
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soc
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Reged: 02/25/02
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Loc: USA-Kentucky
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Post 1 is about 10-12 lines below this post. It's entitled "Talked with Dea" or was as of a couple of minutes ago.
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lovepink
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Quote:
Yeah where is that post one anyhow? I was looking too!
The post (now a rather long thread) you're looking for can be found right here .
Hope that helps....
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servern
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Reged: 03/11/03
Posts: 155
Loc: USA- Northeast
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Wouldn't this be entrapment legally ?
I really do not know what to believe, and will we be arrested for trying a site that offers cheaper prices? I am very confused and scared now!
Karen
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ohd_37
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Reged: 08/05/03
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Loc: up north, yankee all the way
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Quote:
I read above that someone mentioned that buymeds, erx, etc could be set up by DEA. I have something to kind of add to that...does anybody notice the huge amount of random sites that auto link to buymeds.com For instance, you'll get an email telling you about a site and when you link to that site, you automatically end up at buymeds...its really strange. I've never seen this type of thing being done with any other website anywhere.Its like they're buying up all of these domain names or something and then having them all link back to them same site...I don't know what the deal is....I just thought that was strange. I don't know if that makes it look like a setup or not
Buy meds has an affilitates program, where people just like you and I sell their products. Alot of the OPs have them. What happens is that you sign up for the program, set up your own site, at your own url, or get a free one from geocities or like that, from your page put a link to buymeds, they supply the codes for banners and the links and then get folks to go to your page and link to buy meds from there. Any sales that they make that come from your page you are paid a % on that sell. Buymeds probally has a lot of affiliates out there pushing their site.
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Caveman6666
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Quote:
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I read above that someone mentioned that buymeds, erx, etc could be set up by DEA. I have something to kind of add to that...does anybody notice the huge amount of random sites that auto link to buymeds.com For instance, you'll get an email telling you about a site and when you link to that site, you automatically end up at buymeds...its really strange. I've never seen this type of thing being done with any other website anywhere.Its like they're buying up all of these domain names or something and then having them all link back to them same site...I don't know what the deal is....I just thought that was strange. I don't know if that makes it look like a setup or not
Buy meds has an affilitates program, where people just like you and I sell their products. Alot of the OPs have them. What happens is that you sign up for the program, set up your own site, at your own url, or get a free one from geocities or like that, from your page put a link to buymeds, they supply the codes for banners and the links and then get folks to go to your page and link to buy meds from there. Any sales that they make that come from your page you are paid a % on that sell. Buymeds probally has a lot of affiliates out there pushing their site.
That seems to just be asking for trouble.
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toots
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Reged: 04/23/03
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Hello everyone,I am fairly new here and use the op's the same as anybody else.And I'd like to think that they will be here when we need them.Regardless if they request records or not.I also think op's need a certain amount of respect.I know this dr123 can obtain info other places.But it doesn't have to come from here.I believe dr123 can cause us harm and I hope you all understand what I'm tring to say.IMHO,this isnt a wounded bird here. Toots
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JCBELIEVER
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Loc: southeast
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THAT is the way the internet works now asking for trouble or not. Even Dell Computer has affiliate sites. But some are actually where you can lease a site and handle all transactions. Just as in the op world, you have to look for the scammers and the good guys. The biggest thing is to buy or do business with sites who have developed a great reputation. JUst a little more food for thought.
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