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Re: Is there a Blacklist?
      08/07/04 09:27 PM

Importation of controlled substances is allowed, but only when you personally import them, vs. having them shipped. This issue is IOP's where it is common practice for the person to have the medication shipped. That is why I said IOP's are unlawful. In order to have controlled substances shipped into the U.S. you must be a registered and licensed importer of medication.

There is a new law that is proposed, which would allow persons with a U.S. licensed doctor’s prescription to order medication from CERTAIN foreign countries where the pharmacy practices and drugs laws are similar to ours (i.e. Canada).

As for being narrow minded or unimaginative (the context of your use of pedantic was unclear), I believe if you read my prior posts you would view me differently. The fact of the matter is that under current federal law importing controlled substances without an importation license is unlawful. Enforcement of this law, as with most laws, is discretionary. So that there is no misunderstanding when I refer to an IOP, I am addressing the IOP's that are most prevalent on this site and others. Which is to say that if a person goes to a web site and orders a controlled substance without a valid U.S. prescription with the intentions of having that medication shipped to them in the U.S., then the federal importation laws are being broken.

Also, with regard to your statement of obtaining controlled substances: "In the US it is very specific that controlled substances are not allowed. Also, you must have a verified doctor-patient relationship to get ANY meds" What do you mean by “in the US it”? What is it, the U.S.C., FDA regulations, or state laws?

The statement is inaccurate. The doctor-patient relationship was referenced by the FDA guidelines for scheduled substances, not to be confused with controlled substances. Furthermore, there are numerous exceptions to this such as emergency circumstances, allowances for telephonic medicine, and the fact that there is no case law, nor statute in the U.S.C. that defines precise doctor-patient relationships. There are a few vague and ambiguous descriptions, but even the FDA and DEA acknowledged during recent federal hearings that there are numerous acceptable exceptions to this rule and further legislation is necessary to clarify the issue.

Finally, you reference controlled substances and this is not synonymous with scheduled substances. A controlled substance is one that requires a prescription or in a few cases like OTC cough syrup with codeine it requires some measure of accountability on the part of the dispenser of the medication. A scheduled substance is one that has been listed as specifically requiring a DEA licensed medical professional to dispense it with only a few caveats in the area of C-V’s. For example a nurse practitioner, under federal law (states vary) can prescribe a controlled substance, but not a scheduled substance (without a doctor overseeing it).

I have been on both side of the fence. I have worked for LE for years before I was forced, due to a line of duty injury, to become a CP patient, then I went back to LE. I understand the frustrations of all persons who need medication, but have a doctor that won't prescribe it, or enough of it, to alleviate the pain because of fear of reprisals from the DEA or medical licensing board.

As for being "harsh" life is harsh, reality is harsh, and the truth almost always hurts. Yes, I am harsh. I believe it is better that I tell people the truth and help them, than lie to them for the purpose of placating them. The fact is that there are people out there who order substances such as pure codeine, morphine, and meperdine from IOP's (all these are C-2). They are honest, hardworking, CP people whose doctors aren't treating them properly so they seek the only relief they can find. In so doing they unknowingly create the potential for arrest, prison time, and the loss of everything sacred to them. It is not right, but that's the way it is. If the FDA and the DEA started suspending doctors' DEA licenses for UNDER prescribing as much as they do for over prescribing then our problem would lessen significantly.

Don't hold your breath.

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* Is there a Blacklist? sunflower29 08/04/04 10:02 PM
. * * Re: Is there a Blacklist? cleo911   08/05/04 02:50 PM
. * * Re: Is there a Blacklist? PIGINPAIN   08/05/04 10:13 PM
. * * Re: Is there a Blacklist? Lablady2   08/06/04 04:21 AM
. * * Re: Is there a Blacklist? cleo911   08/06/04 09:53 AM
. * * Re: Is there a Blacklist? PIGINPAIN   08/07/04 05:39 PM
. * * Re: Is there a Blacklist? sunflower29   08/07/04 06:15 PM
. * * Re: Is there a Blacklist? timberland   08/07/04 06:29 PM
. * * Re: Is there a Blacklist? PIGINPAIN   08/07/04 09:27 PM
. * * Re: Is there a Blacklist? timberland   08/07/04 09:52 PM
. * * Re: Is there a Blacklist? Therion   08/06/04 10:45 AM
. * * Re: Is there a Blacklist? radiometer   08/06/04 10:52 AM
. * * Re: Is there a Blacklist? Lablady2   08/06/04 11:53 AM
. * * Re: Is there a Blacklist? dsmmcm   08/06/04 04:48 PM
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