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This message is an important one to all of you that believe and have directed others that the 'men in black' will never show up. Guess what, you are terribly wrong and I am begging you to stop spreading false information to save someone else from what I am going through! My home was raided as I have been ordering various products from out of the country for a long, long time. My mail and home had been watched by the DEA and local drug enforcement agency for several months. Yes, I too had received those 'standard' looking custom letters and did as advised by others on this board to shred them....but they were a real warning to stop importing meds and I ignored them. My home was raided by 15 men in black as well as a drug dog, every corner of my house was turned upside down. It was a terrorizing event that I still suffer anxiety over. I was booked at the local jail and am set to go to court this week. It has cost me thousands of dollars in attorney fees alone and made me feel like a common criminal. I am a college educated female who has suffered from migraines for over 20 years who was tyring to manage pain as best I could. Know that what you are doing is illegal and that you risk the potential of being charged with a felony. There are no drugs in the world that are worth it, trust me. Word of caution, beware and stop ordering internationally immediately!
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Opie_Yates
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So if you were raided by the MIB, why did they take you to the local jail and not a federal detention facility?
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Jesse024
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Its standard for the local law enforcement agency to be closely involved with FBI/DEA, considering its happening in their jurisdiction.
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Larry_Rinker
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Well, I been around for a long time. And while this is not impossible .. it is EXTREMELY, BIZARRELY unlikely. Usually in cases like these (and there's been about 4 in the last three years) there are other circumstances involved (prior record, boyfriend is a scumbag, police were at her house for another reason and found illegal pills and got a search warrant, other things in their life).
IN ADDITION ..
Instead of throwing out the "I've scored really good source so don't you idiots dry it up .. OH I'M SORRY .. do not order from Overseas Pharmacies ever again!" I might say that you take a look at The Good Book.
"All things in moderation"
Don't order 750 codeine pills. If you have a good source, use it wisely and use it moderately. If she had, in fact, been diagnosed by a physician with a migraine condition .. and she had no more than ... gosh probably you could go to 180 pain pills .. for a three month supply in her home, then she would have a decent chance of beating the charge. She is correct, it will cost a lot of money.
But .. with nuclear bombs being carried in suitcases, bioterroism a real threat, Mad Cow disease, some Bird Flu disease .. SUPERSONIC PASSENGER JETS SLAMMING IN TO SKYSCRAPERS ..
you know ..
Let's get The Big Picture here. There's really never been a time where the Feds were worried less about you getting 90 valiums in the mail from overseas.
Not saying didn't happen, not saying it can't happen. We just don't know all of the circumstances surrounding it. If she was concerned enough ABOUT US as a community she would say, "I exactly ordered THIS XXXXX amount from XXXXX IOP it came through NY LaGuardia to XXXX state. I was in posession of XXX amount." Then .. then .. we could all feel that she has some care for us as a community. Because she would be trying to help us avoid it.
Otherwise .. take it at face value.
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safe13
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If you look at her profile, same had been working Three different IOP's at the same time
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tem33
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You have a point but, if she admitted to all of the above info, why doesn't she just bypass the attorney fees and set her own sentence! Why would she confess to EXACTLY to what she's being charged with??
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misspiggy
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This makes me feel really wierd about ordering now, my question is, if I was to just order a 1 month supply once a month, what would the chances of them busting my door down?
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trippinwilly
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I also think she would not go to court this week, normaly court dates are pushed back to at least a month, IMO
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FreddieC
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Also think about-she mentioned she had been getting letters from custom. It sounds like they do give warnings before they just come in and take you to jail.
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turcica
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I think Larry makes some valid points. In addition she has not replied to the posts made after hers. Sounds like "by her own posts" she has been ordering from overseas for quite some time and as pointed out in her minimal amount of posts here, from various sources. I do know that the overseas deliveries in general are being looked at closer. Not especially for meds but for everything because of the fear of importation of terrorist materials or substances. I think anyone ordering from an IOP should be prudent in quantity and frequency, IMO. Regardless, if this happened to this poor soul my heart goes out to her. I wish her luck in court. turcica
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sensorium
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You guys need to stop and think that this COULD really happen. Every time there is a post like this, everyone assumes it's not true. Wishful thinking??? Denial???
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Opie_Yates
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You guys need to stop and think that this COULD really happen. Every time there is a post like this, everyone assumes it's not true. Wishful thinking??? Denial???
Well, I think the posts to need to have the details analyzed for consistency and plausability.
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Court dates are normally pushed back a bit. But I look at the fact that she has been a member over a year and hope she would have something better to do with her time than try to fool those who try to help her. 2cents
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yawkaw3
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People never have any details in these posts- I don't understand that. I understand you want to keep it quiet, but what's the point of leaving us hanging?
Ok, you got busted- what meds were there? Why might they be interested in you? *Why you?* This is the question we wonder about- yeah we don't know if it's true, but if you're going to post something like this, at least let us know how we might protect ourselves and what exactly it is you did wrong? How come none of these posts ever go into police procedure or ever mention exactly what they were charged with?
I'm not saying I don't believe it, but posters who post about this sorta stuff who want us to believe them have to give us more information.
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pstorm
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Hmmm... I´d guess there are members of this board that is it, as a part of their job... Not saying she´s been that but w/o more facts on the table it's difficult to evaluate her post and what value to put in it.
I order, more or less, every month from a few various IOP´s and I don´t worry at all for someone in black, blue or whatever, walking into my house. OK, it´d be a terrible experience in many ways but: I never have more meds than what can be considered "normal", nor do I have any illegal substances, such as narcotics and I´m not involved in any kind of criminal activity whatsoever. Be moderate, be wise and use common sense and I can´t understand what to worry about.
It´ll be interesting to see if she replies to all our posts, though...
Take care
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plotinus
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Agreed, it seems in these "I got busted" posts, there is usually a lot of hysteria and very little detail - "15 MIB's" seems like an exageration for someone importing a little codeine or whatever for migraines.
The message at the end always seems to be "you DBers don't believe it can happen to you, but it can so you'd better mend your evil ways."
Of course of the millions of packages the feds claim are flooding our country from IOP's, there is always the possibility that a customs or even a local postal official might get righteous and generate some heat with LEO's, that would not surprise me. In fact I gave my mail person a card and a nice crisp $20 bill for the holidays, just in case they might notice the number of packages of international origin that I receive.
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In order to be charged with a felony, don't you have to have imported more than the standard three month supply for personal use? Something must have really been amiss to have 15 members of the DEA task force and a drug sniffing dog in your house... As far as I know the dogs are trained to sniff out coke, weed and heroin. Certainly not any meds a person would take for a headache. Anyway, after the first Customs letter, I would have went with an "over the phone" consult with a US OP. More costly, but some are not that bad. Some of the pieces of this puzzle seem to be missing...
Need more info. 
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All I have to say on this matter, is she must have been ordering a He$$ of a lot of meds IOP. The LE goes after the BIG IMPORTERS, take it from someone who is married to a LE and I read this to this and he takes it with a grain of salt, he did say that it is possible it could have happened but she HAD to have been ordering A LOT from IOP.
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Purple
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One more this my LE hubby wanted to me add was ordering from IOP is illegal. There is no patient/doctor relationship, just an online form to fill out. That's why Tropical & the rest of them went down. At least with an US OP, it is legal because there is a relationship there, you fax in your records & ID and then have a telephone conversation, same as talking to your local doctor on the phone. When people need a refill they don't always go into the doctor's office, they call Walgreens (or whoever else) and have Walgreens fax the doctor with the refill order.
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There is not need to question members that had bad experiences. This site is to share all experiences.
Buying prescription drugs without a prescription is against the law and a rather serious crime if the prescription drugs are also controlled substances.
Hope you can provide more details.
Thank you for contributing to the board.
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I used to work for CPS (child protective services), and when the cops go into someone's house to get kids, they come in with full force like the lady in the original post described. I don't order from OPs at all. I'm really lucky to have a good pain doc. The story seems a bit vague, but it is something I guess that would scare the b-jeezers out of someone.
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gottadoit
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I agree with db - I hope the original poster will provide more details. I also have to "second" what another poster wrote here. It is ILLEGAL to import medications into the US without a prescription. I have seen this common misunderstanding all over this and other boards many times. People seem to think that ordering a "personal supply" (however that is defined) or under three months worth is legal. It is NOT! However, I also have a hard time picturing 15 men in black swarming her house but stranger things have happened. All you have to do is watch the nightly news and you will see all the strange things that happen!
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We had a link to a very interesting video about steroid arrest but it is no longer active...
This is an interesting article:
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"ARRESTED FOR STEROIDS?"
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by Legal Muscle
Under the Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1990, which applies across the country (USA), steroids are in the same legal class -- Schedule III -- as barbiturates, LSD precursors, veterinary tranquilizers like ketamine and narcotic painkillers like Vicodin.
Simple possession is a federal offense punishable by up to one year in prison and/or a minimum fine of $1,000.
Selling steroids, or possessing them with intent to sell, is a federal felony. An individual who sells steroids, or possesses them intent to sell, is punishable by up to five years in prison and/or a $250,000 fine for a first offense (actual sentencing in specific cases is based upon the United States Sentencing Guidelines, as fully described in LEGAL MUSCLE ).
According to steroid law expert Rick Collins, state laws vary widely. Most states, but not all, have added anabolic steroids to their schedules of controlled substances (a complete list of all state steroid laws is contained in LEGAL MUSCLE).
For examples, in Florida and Georgia, simple possession of steroids in any amount is a felony with up to five years imprisonment, and in Alabama it's a felony with up to ten years in prison! In Louisiana, you can face imprisonment with hard labor for a first offense of mere personal use possession!
Even if a jail sentence is ultimately avoided, the consequences of an arrest alone include being handcuffed, fingerprinted, and hauled before a judge for arraignment in open court.
There will likely be legal expenses and even forfeiture of seized assets. A criminal conviction may prevent or interfere with employment opportunities in many fields such as law enforcement, and members of certain professions involving licensing (physicians, lawyers, dentists, pharmacists, teachers, nurses, cosmetologists, public accountants, architects, auctioneers, barbers, and licensed counselors, just to name a few) can expect a conviction to be reported to their state licensing authority, placing current employment in jeopardy.
A drug conviction can suspend a person's driver's license (it's mandatory in some jurisdictions) and be a bar to the ability to own a firearm.
The absolutely essential, must-read guide to anyone arrested for anabolic steroids is LEGAL MUSCLE see details here.
If you've been arrested for anabolic steroids, hire a good lawyer. An able and experienced criminal defense attorney is essential to obtaining the best possible result in any criminal matter. Of course, it's not as helpful if he or she doesn't know much of anything about anabolic steroids.
Few state or local police, federal agents, prosecutors or judges are educated about the substances themselves or the fine points of the laws they are enforcing.
It's not uncommon for offense laws and sentencing guidelines to be misapplied. Moreover, the endless misinformation and propaganda reported in the mainstream press about steroids and their adverse effects has severely biased the beliefs of those in the criminal justice system.
A prosecutor whose knowledge of anabolic steroids is based on what has been printed in the lay press may be inclined to offer an inappropriately severe plea, or a judge may be inclined to impose an unduly harsh sentence. When defense counsel is undereducated, the end result can be disaster for the client.
Discuss with your lawyer his or her level of knowledge about anabolic steroids. It's important for your lawyer to understand what anabolic steroids are, how they compare with and differ from recreational drugs, how they affect the body and mind, and how and why they came to become classified as controlled substances.
It's also crucial for him to know the specific anabolic steroid laws and sentencing guidelines that will apply in your case.
The prime source for all this information is LEGAL MUSCLE.
Make sure that both you and your lawyer are fully familiar with it. Many clients take the further step of insisting that the lawyer on the case arranges a consultation with Rick Collins as to the facts of the particular case. Other clients simply hire Rick as lead counsel.
If you have been arrested for anabolic steroids, feel free to call Collins, McDonald & Gann, P.C., for further information. Rick Collins and his law partners are committed to defending those who are prosecuted for anabolic steroids.
Rick Collins and his team of "legal muscle" will promptly respond to questions from anyone being investigated for or charged with a crime related to anabolic steroids.
Where appropriate, a referral will be made to qualified counsel in another jurisdiction. The firm of Collins, McDonald & Gann, P.C., is available 24 hours, 7 days a week (for emergencies only) by calling 516-294-0300. Other phone inquiries are answered weekdays between the hours of 2 p.m. and 5 p.m. EST, or by email to
The firm also handles all other criminal matters, including white-collar crime, fraud, narcotics cases, thefts, assaults, and serious traffic offenses (including suspended license charges).
In fact, feel free to call with any legal question; if Rick and his firm don't handle your type of case, they can try to connect you with an experienced attorney who does. To learn more about the firm, visit online at attorneydefense.com and be sure to take a very serious look here.
Also found this. It is about steroids but should be about the same for most controlled substances
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Courtesy of Collins, McDonald and Gann, P.C. [phone: 516-294-0300] and Team Legal Muscle, here are some general principles in answer to a few of the most commonly asked questions concerning steroid arrests. Further helpful information can be found throughout this site, particularly in the extensive INTERVIEW on steroids and the law. For the ultimate handbook on steroids and the law, you'll need to order the new book, LEGAL MUSCLE. It's the most comprehensive book ever written on the legalities of anabolics! For other general information, including, for example, the consequences of not being read your rights, please see our law firm's web site (which has a section devoted to this general topic) at http://www.attorneydefense.com/
How am I most likely to get arrested for steroids?
Traditionally, the most likely way to get arrested for any drug charge, including steroids, was probably for selling them to someone who has his own legal problems and is secretly cooperating with law enforcement. You might get a call from an old gym acquaintance asking if you can get him a few vials of steroids. A meeting will be arranged, your old pal will bring along an undercover cop, and you'll be arrested on the spot or after a few further deals. Under federal law and the laws of many states, selling steroids, or possessing them with intent to sell, is a felony. An individual who sells steroids, or possesses with intent to sell, is punishable by up to five years in prison under federal law and up to seven years in prison under New York state law. Every state is different. Two states, in fact, have enacted NO laws placing anabolic steroids in controlled substance status. [The complete list is found in LEGAL MUSCLE.] Of course, whether an individual serves any prison time at all for selling steroids depends upon numerous factors including but not limited to the person's past criminal history, the strength of the prosecution's case, the person's role in the offense, and how effectively the case is either negotiated or litigated by defense counsel. An experienced criminal lawyer can make the difference.
What are my chances of being arrested just for personal use possession?
Small-time arrests for personal possession are occuring more and more frequently. Sometimes these arrests arise out of car stops for traffic violations and the steroids are found during a search of the car. Car searches are frequent at border crossings, where law enforcement authorities searching for drugs are less restricted by Fourth Amendment constraints. I recently successfully defended two steroid cases in which my clients' cars were stopped and thoroughly searched at U.S. land borders (New York/Canada and Texas/Mexico).
However, the fastest-growing way of getting busted for personal steroid use is by ordering them by mail. I have been consulted or retained on hundreds of cases of this type. Those who order mail-order steroids (usually over the Internet) run the risk that the delivery can be intercepted by U.S. Customs or postal authorities, precipitating an investigation and potentially an arrest. Many otherwise law-abiding mature adults have been arrested based on their receipt of anabolics through the mail. Many others were contacted by government agents who confiscated the steroid delivery but did not make an arrest. There is little uniformity in the way these cases are handled across the country, although overall mail volume seems to be a factor. U.S. Customs agents in metropolitan New York, for example, might handle a personal use amount very differently than Customs agents in rural Alabama.
While the vast majority of users (recently estimated at about 6 million Americans!) probably don't get caught, you could be one of the unlucky few. Under the Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1990, which applies across the country, steroids are in the same legal class -- Schedule III -- as barbiturates, LSD precursors, veterinary tranquilizers like ketamine and narcotic painkillers like Vicodin. Simple possession is a federal offense punishable by up to one year in prison and/or a minimum fine of $1,000 (most states have added anabolic steroids to their schedules of controlled substances). Even if a jail sentence is ultimately avoided, the consequences of an arrest alone include being handcuffed, fingerprinted, and hauled before a judge for arraignment in open court. There will likely be legal expenses and even forfeiture of seized assets. A criminal conviction may prevent or interfere with employment opportunities in many fields such as law enforcement, and members of certain professions involving licensing (physicians, lawyers, dentists, pharmacists, teachers, nurses, cosmetologists, public accountants, architects, auctioneers, barbers, and licensed counselors, just to name a few) can expect a conviction to be reported to their state licensing authority, placing current employment in jeopardy. A drug conviction can suspend a person's driver's license (it's mandatory in some jurisdictions) and be a bar to the ability to own a firearm. Unquestionably, the assistance of experienced legal counsel is your best defense against these potential consequences.
Will the police try to get me to "cooperate" with them?
People who get arrested for controlled substances are often pressured to work with the agents who arrested them or with other law enforcement authorities to assist in the identification, investigation, arrest and prosecution of others involved in criminal activity. Known to law enforcement as "confidential informants" (but to their former friends and associates as "rats" and "snitches"), they cooperate in return for more lenient plea or sentence bargains. It is not uncommon for the police or federal agents to squeeze the many "small fish" they arrest into giving up their sources, leading to the arrests of bigger fish who, in turn, are squeezed to give up their sources. [LEGAL MUSCLE offers a whole chapter devoted to snitches, cooperation and entrapment.] Whether the police seek to recruit a person as an informant depends upon a combination of many factors. Deciding whether it is something an arrested person should consider doing requires a risk-to-benefit analysis and extensive consultation with an experienced criminal lawyer.
Will I be charged in state or federal court?
In most states, both state and federal laws prohibit anabolic steroids, and a person can be prosecuted under either. In which court the case is brought often depends on the agency responsible for your arrest, and on the seriousness of the charges. Because of the way that steroid quantities are calculated under the federal sentencing guidelines (explained in detail in LEGAL MUSCLE), many cases with potential federal jurisdiction are dumped in state or local courts where sentencing may be much more severe. Even investigations begun by federal authorities like the Postal Inspector and U.S. Customs are most often brought in state court, not in federal court. This is particularly the case if the quantity is small and there is no indication of intent to distribute. In rare circumstances, you can be charged in both state and federal court with the same conduct.
What are my chances of going to jail?
A very important question, but one that is impossible to answer without knowing the specifics in a given case. Critical factors include, but are not limited to, the amounts of steroids involved and your prior criminal record. In our experience, few first-time offenders charged with mere possession for personal use are sentenced to jail in the New York state courts. Sellers are treated more harshly. In federal courts, the quantity involved is crucial under the United States Sentencing Guidelines (discussed elsewhere in this site). In state courts, various other factors can apply. You should know the law and potential sentencing range that applies in your state. The source for that information is LEGAL MUSCLE, available at http://www.legalmusclebooks.com/
We are committed to defending those prosecuted for anabolic steroids. We are admitted to practice in the New York and Maryland state courts, the Federal Courts of the Eastern and Southern Districts of New York, the Western District of Texas, the U.S. Court of Federal Claims, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, the Court of Appeals for the Armed Services and the United States Supreme Court. We will promptly respond to questions from anyone being investigated for or charged with a crime related to anabolic steroids. Where appropriate, we will make referrals to qualified counsel in other jurisdictions. We are available 24 hours, 7 days a week for emergencies only by calling 516-294-0300. Other inquiries are answered weekdays between the hours of 2 p.m. and 5 p.m. EST. Initial consultations scheduled at our offices in Manhattan or Long Island are always free of charge. We handle all other criminal matters, including white-collar crime, fraud, narcotics cases, thefts, assaults, and serious traffic offenses (including suspended license charges). In fact, feel free to call us with any legal question; if we don't handle your type of case, we can try to connect you with an experienced attorney who does.
To learn more about our firm, visit our web site at http://www.cmgesq.com/
COPYRIGHT (c) 1999-2003 by Rick Collins. www.SteroidLaw.com. All rights reserved. No commercial reproduction of any portion of this material is permitted without the express written permission of the author.
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plotinus
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>> It is ILLEGAL to import medications into the US without a prescription. I have seen this common misunderstanding all over this and other boards many times.
Gottadoit - I think this is a much more confused, gray area of administrative law than you assert. I don't have all the answers, but one of the oldest and most reputable of all the IOP's, Masters Marketing has successfully shipped non-controlled pharmaceuticals to the US for over ten years using "FDA Guidance 1983," as they state on their customs declaration form attached to their packages.
This 1983 guidance was, I believe, orginally promulgated under the pressure of HIV/AIDS patient advocates, who wanted to use non-FDA approved meds available in Europe and elsewhere. It basically states that one can import a 90-day supply of a non-approved med for "compassionate reasons." The Smart Drugs guys seized on this to import a lot of nootropics, claiming that preventing dementia or stupidity fell under the "compassionate" clause. In general US Customs got to the point where they'd allow anything, if it looked like it was 90-day supply for personal use. I believe that is current standard operating procedure. As is frequently reported here on DB, many packages are opened by customs, resealed with the "green" tape and delivered.
There is only administrative law, never well tested through the Federal court system to my knowledge to cover this importation. If you have case law to the contrary to cite, I'd be happy to see it.
Controlled Substances are slightly more complicated because the DEA, not the FDA, has the final, authority when it come to controlled substances. DB has a letter from an attorney at the DEA posted on this site. This letter gives the legal opinion that it is illegal to import controlled substances into the US witout a DEA license. However, one clear exception to this is the capability to import in one's personal possession up to 50 OTC codeine + tylenol or codeine + IB tablets, when physically entering the country. Combo Codeine + NSAID OTC products are common everywhere in the English-speaking world, except the US. Keeping this in mind, recall that the DEA letter posted by DB is the legal opinion of a DEA lawyer. It is not strictly speaking the law. If one were to import a small amount of a combo codeine+NSAID product by mail for personal use, it is unclear that it would be a violation of federal law. It might be a violation of some state laws to possess it without a prescription, but you can see from the contradictory applications of the relevant law, that it is not as black and white as you assert.
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I'm sorry to hear that your experience was so traumatic. Would suggest not providing any more details on board because you have not been charged yet. Media and non-LE sources have blown cases for the defendant by making too much information public and inadmissible as evidence.
Customs has dramatically increased its screening since it was subsumed under Homeland Security. They have new screening technology in place in some ports of entry and some of the POE have always been excessively careful. These aren't new laws; you were caught in the enforcement of earlier laws from 2000.
Hopefully, Trampy will provide her usual astute legal analysis.
In the meantime, take care.
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henry1
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Strange things do happen. I'm not going to accuse this person of lying because I have no right to do that. I think its important to consider that if her post is true, she was ordering way too much and too often. I wish people who post stories like hers would also post a link to the story. If it happened as she says then it was in the news. The standard response when we ask for details is always some sort of nonsense about the person involved wanting to protect their privacy. What privacy would they have if they've been busted the way she was? Her privacy is already gone, so she should post a link to the story. If she wants to help people here that is the only way she can do it. I'll be the first to contribute to her defense fund when I see the story. I'm sure others here would also help and offer support if given the chance.
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yawkaw3
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anna,
No one is asking her to admit to a crime, even if she already has. We just want to know more about what happened to 1) protect ourselves and 2) judge the credibility of the story. Without going into excessive detail, just a little information about why they she was singled out amongst the vast number of IOP users, or what the police actually did procedurally, or any advice she might have for us other than to stop using them when we have no way at all of determining the truth here with the very vague post she made.
If someone makes the decision to tell us what happened, then tell us- don't tease us with little tidbits of what sounds very excessive on the part of LE. If they're not going to tell us, then don't tell us.
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Whatsnew
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Maybe she could write in a third party script. Such as, I think this girl I know got busted for so and so. Of course, she would need to use another compputer, and not her screen name? Just an idea.
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yawkaw3
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That's an even better idea. Maybe that should be the protocol for posting these stories?
These posts always follow the same pattern- a person has an extravagant story and warns us all we're in danger, someone questions the obvious credibility issues, another person tells us that we're deluding ourselves if we think we're ok, and then we get into a discussion of legalities and not trusting fellow members. I'm not passing ANY judgment on the post of this thread, but I will say that I think people who make this stuff up are disgusting- what kind of sick joy could a person possibly get out of making something like this up?
-yawkaw
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