cadillac555
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THOUGHT YOU GUYS MIGHT WANT TO READ THIS :
http://www.adn.com/front/story/3799677p-3825431c.html
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sweat
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Good, now maybe the rest of the country will follow.
I'm all for it and I dont even smoke anymore...
"Welcome To Alaska, The Mellowest State In the U.S."
Now if N.J. would just legalize Valiums, I'd be in Heaven.
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penzam1535
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I read it, so what....
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zorg
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Alaska has had decriminalization of small amounts in the home on the books for decades. I didn't know there was a recent precedent-affirming case recently though, thanks.
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zorg
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what do you mean by 'so what'. so what like you already knew ? so what like you don't approve of marijuana cultivation ? so what meaning what ?
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prettyday
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Maybe they think this will make people actually want to move to Alaska.
I am one of the girls that pot does not work for; okay, it's terrible; paranoia, frozen thoughts, works.
So I have to think, is this another attempt to win the war on drugs, because all the guys will move up there and there still will not be enough women?
Is this part of a generational eradication process?
Consider however, the economic returns of a Domino's franchise up there... 
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qbird
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But then again would the paranoia be there if it were legal? No fear of being busted. I don't see how it is any worse than alcohol which is of course legal.
Very interesting, I wonder if other states will follow Alaska's lead? I am not a pot smoker but I hate all this big brother nonsense in this country.
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prettyday
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no, it is a different paranoia; kind of a loss of control feeling, like I can't keep track of everything going on....
I still think it is lol that they legalize it up there, I imagine they have stress issues and medicinal issues but what are they saying? That Alaska is the new Molokai?
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Anonymous
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no, it is a different paranoia; kind of a loss of control feeling, like I can't keep track of everything going on....
MJ causes severe anxiety problems for me as well - gave it up years ago. I think the cultivators have done so much selective breeding that modern pot, unlike the original Acapulco Gold from my college days in the 60's, has become psychedelic, not relaxing. I mean when the walls start breathing with you...
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drewsmerdel
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Historically any drug that is unlawful, has a tendency to be abused. When a drug is de-criminalized it is abused less, look at what happened to alcohol (prohibition).
Drew
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Historically any drug that is unlawful, has a tendency to be abused. When a drug is de-criminalized it is abused less, look at what happened to alcohol (prohibition). Drew
Don't get me wrong, Drew. I AM IN FAVOR OF LEGALIZATION OF *ALL* DRUGS! The current $15-20B/year spent on the war on drugs would much better be spent on education and treatment - people need to be taught the truth about drugs, not the demonization theology that every teenager quickly figures out is a hypocritical lie. Treatment will always be needed because even given the right information, some people will make the wrong decisions - observe our current obesity epidemic. If a person kills someone while DUI, we have laws against vehicular manslaughter to prosecute them -- we are spending way too much time and resource focusing on drugs and not nearly enough time and resource focusing on true undesirable behavior. If someone robs a 7/11, I don't care if it was to get money for crack or gasoline - the robbery was the crime, not the possession of the crack pipe in his pocket, and we should be able to "punish" that robbery behavior - if during the judicial process it turns out that the guy was a crackhead, we can offer treatment for that, just like we could teach him to read if he was illiterate... OK enough Libertarian Soap Box for one day
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bhamdave
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Also look at this story:
Dutch OK Pot as Prescription
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zorg
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I wonder how long it would take to pay off the federal deficit with moderately heavy taxes on intensely regulated sales of any compound your heart desires. Seems to me it would be paid off in a week, but I'm just speculating without numbers.
The only thing I worry about is children gaining easier access to substances to abuse, under any more-permissive strategy. Contributing charges would have to be a ten-year imprisonment to deter buying the stuff for minors.....
Wouldn't hemp also save trees from being used any longer for paper et al. as well ? This war on drugs thing is really played out..... anyone care to speculate when we'll win the war and take our rights back ?
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zorg
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Mark me down in the ultra-paranoid post-inhalation crowd as well. 2 or 3 panick attacks 6-7 years ago was enough to turn me off for good!
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yawkaw3
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I, too, am in favor of full legalization (including making painkillers OTC). I think the benefits will out weight the consequences.
I've gotta say though, my evil twin does enjoy pot with his meds- definitely gets an additive pain-relieving effect.
I guess if you live in Alaska, there is not much else to do...
-yawkaw
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qbird
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My speculation is this: not for a long time if ever. There is too much lobbying in Congress from the various drug companies and lets face it money talks. I watched some of the debating on CSPAN and you just want to yell at them, Get Real! The government seems to get bigger by the year. It is not fair or good, but that is how it is until we can get some people in there that are honest and are for the people.
With that said I would also be concerned about Pot and other narcotics if legalized being too accessible for kids. There are just a couple of ways you could look at this.
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zorg
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I agree on representation, and with a lack of congressional term limits, I am scared to death that ideas are always going to be rooted in detached value constructs
Currently, my politicians are most intensely focused on the pledge of allegiance and how best to de-arm me. I sure do feel like a constituent! NOT.
Career politians may be a guarantee that fresh ideas NEVER get cycled through the congress. I don't want Patrick Leahy or Strom Thurmand deciding what's best for me!!!!!
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qbird
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Oh my goodness no, you mentioned a couple that probably needed to retire about 20 years ago. I agree we do need some fresh ideas and new people. 
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moonbeam
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Sorry, but I have to "butt in" here as for children getting access to legalized drugs. No matter how many laws are written nor how many people are jailed, there will always be people who will use and abuse drugs. This includes children. However, just like alcohol is a "controlled substance," so would be drugs. This means that if it were sold in a pharmacy, or a store, you would have to produce ID in order to purchase. Right now, with the blackmarket of drugs, it is much easier for dealers to prey on our children. Yes, some may fall into the hands of curious teens, but the war on drugs itself produces more misery than the drugs itself . Families are disrupted when the fathers and mothers go to jail, many having to go on social welfare in order to survive. When the parents are released, there is further damage when they find themselves unable to support their families because they can't find a job because of their past criminal record. Young people who are prosecuted for drug crimes cannot get financial aid for college therefore limiting their own ability to secure the future for themselves and their families. This list goes on and on...
Tobacco use has decreased about 34% since 1988, and you can bet your life it was not due to the substance being illegal. Tobacco use has declined due to smoking education, higher tax prices, and higher prices in general.
The problem with our country's current situation with regards to drug use/abuse is due mainly to the criminalization of it and not the use itself. And, yes, the politicians are going to use the "but we've got to protect our children" issue, but fail to consider that if they are going to use drugs, they will find a way. I'd much rather have my child be able to go down to the local health department to get his drugs, knowing that what he was putting in his body was safer than some adulterated product that he purchased off of his local neighborhood drug dealer. (Not to mention that the local neighborhood drug dealer may just decide to shoot him for his money while he was attempting to make his purchase).
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zorg
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I also believe your take may be very accurate moonbeam.... what scares me is that noone KNOWS for sure about how pervasive the drugs would become upon legalization.
I'm fine with trying it out, but I am adamant about stopgaps being in place in case there is a huge proliferation upon rescinding the current laws.
Noone really knows what would happen at this point, but it'd be worth finding out for sure.....
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zorg
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One other thing to note: I and my friends were unable to locate drugs 90% of the time we wanted to ,despite our best efforts many weekends. It's not ubiquitous access to any substance on every street corner as presented in the crux of your statement. The prohibition DID make it more difficult for us most of the time. The big metros are a different story, but my story is quite similar to many in 50-250K people small cities.
It would be irresponsible to not afford protection against mass proliferation of drugs upon legalization... would have to think it through very carefully.
Ultimately I agree with you though, I think unfettered access would actually highlight more distinctly the pitfalls of being involved daily with recreational drug use, leading to a more enlightened population. Much of the problem initially would be created by the transition and integration rather than the ultimate discipline. After the transition I would think everything will level off. Still have to be prepared nonetheless, and I would NOT tolerate contributing to a minor to ANY degree. Automatic one year in jail or worse.
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DrugBuyers
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The article starts as:
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Court affirms right to possess pot
RULING: Alaskans can have a small amount of marijuana in their homes; state vows high court review.
By MIKE CHAMBERS
The Associated Press
(Published: August 30, 2003)
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JUNEAU -- In a ruling handed down Friday, a state appellate court has affirmed the right of Alaskans to possess a small amount of marijuana in their homes.
The state Court of Appeals, in a unanimous ruling, reversed a 2001 conviction of a North Pole man found with marijuana in his home and ordered a new trial.
"pOT" may be legal or not... but it is not a prescription drug and we do not allow discussion of recreational drugs. Our site is about prescription drugs.
We are closing this thread.
Thanks
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