hottiefromky
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I asked the other day about what sites use what pharmacies b/c I'm kinda new to the OP thing and asked an online buddy too. Well, I have since discovered he is a triple dipper and orders from 3 different sites. How is this possible? I mean, isn't this illegal and dangerous? Or just expensive and addiction? I'm concerned that this could happen to me down the road if I don't watch myself. Never had a problem with pain before but the hydro's I'm receiving now are working quite well at the moment and don't ever want to get into a double/triple dipping situation from addiction and/or tolerance. Just a question for the chronic pain people here.......
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PrivateRealm
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Double dipping is never good, but there are different situations to every one's case. I, for one, use only 1 US OP and no IOP's at all. My PCP, Neurologist, and PSY doctors take care of my other needs, and I do not need any other "sources". My suggestion is to find 1 US OP that will fufill all of your needs. Double dipping is getting the same med from 2 or more doctors, be it online or in person. Some people, however, use different OP's for different meds. Most use US OP's for pain meds like Hydrocodone, but use IOP's for benzos or milder pain medications. Those who are blatently lying and getting pain meds from one or more US OP are just playing Russian Roulette with themselves and risk trouble. They are what give pain patients and online pharmacies a bad reputation and make meds harder to obtain.
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TLT
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Double dipping is illegal, and if caught, you will be blacklisted. I have read on this board over the past 6 months, where members testify to having been caught, so if you don't think it can happen to you,,, well; think again.~JMO~
As Privaterealm has stated, Double dipping gives legitimate pain patient, as well as the OP's a bad rep!
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toe
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I've asked in other forums, but where does this leave me? I won't repeat all my medical problems here, but I will say that I experience a LOT of pain (waking up early so I can take my flexeril and 800mg IB early enough for it to absorb before I get out of bed). I've been through the gamut of PT therapies, had 2 MRI's in 6 months, and finally the spine doctor says "your upper back pain is muscular in nature" (my lumbar pain is 3 herniated discs in nature), agrees that its time to start me on a long-acting opiate, but then refers me ack to the student health center to get my script. And I get 60 generic MSContin 15mg, to be taken twice a day.
Of course that 30mg of oral morphine every 24 hours does absolutely nothing for my pain, and the concept of medications for "breakthrough pain," is something the student doctors have never heard of. They think 15mg is a "huge amount." Meanwhile the pain is spreading. . . 2 weks ago I only felt a little arthritic achiness in my knees, now I cannot get up without assistance. Is it a crime for me to want some short acting meds to get me through this time until the doctors get the kahunas to prescribe the dosage I need? I don't know. . . I specifically wrote to the certain very personable CS oersin at a respectiable USOP and asked whether I could get breakthrough meds from them.
I'm not trying to "ruin it for everyone," I certainly don't want to get caught up in a legal scandal, but I'm angry and annoyrf that a C-II med should be leaving me in such pain and that doctors in general seem to know nothing about them.
Right now my nighttime dos is 30mg and the daytime still 15. It's been nine hours since my night dose and every point in my body hurts. I dread getting up to go the bathroom because I know how much my knees ae going to hurt when I do.
I know I should not be complaining when there are folks out there totally dependant on OPs, who cannot get C-II meds, but now that I have a script for C-II meds, I have lost my chance to get any pain relief.
Does that make sense? I'm not trying to "ruin it for everyone," least of all my self. I mean, there's no way I could afford to use multiple USOPs. . . but the pain is killing my spirit.
I here many folks being told "you're too young ot be using these heavy pain killers/ tranquilizers/ whatever." At what age do you become eligible for adequate pain control?
Sorry, ramble there.
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qbird
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I am not a chronic pain person but the answer to all your questions is yes. Yes you bud is definitely addicted and is going to have some major health issues if he/she does not stop taking all those meds. If he/she is caught he/she will be blacklisted and will have some major withdrawl problems which could be very bad healthwise again. I would not recommend anyone ever double dip because then you know you have a problem. As far as tolerance issues, some people I have read about take hydro holidays, that could help because with any med tolerance will happen eventually.
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dragonlove
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Woah! Back off people. How can you be so judgemental? It does happen. You get a tolerance, you need more. You are in pain. It happens slowly, but check out this scenario. You are a chronic pain patient. You were not lucky enough to be under a compassionate doctor's care. The most any doctor ever gave you was vicodin, 30, no refills, even after major MAJOR back sugery that is ALL they sent you home with (30 white pills that you take in a day, liver be damned). After 5 (4-9 hour) trips to the ER you stopped going when all you ever got were 2 vicodin, or 8 mg morphine. You looked for over a f-ing year for a doctor who would help. (None would.) You cry all night long and pound your head against the wall the pain is so bad. You can't work; your mate is losing patience. Then, you find the online stuff. You get norco; you cut them in half and are oh so careful. You dole out your own precious doses of relief. You stockpile a little over the week so you can have one TRULY pain-free night. But then the 2/day stops working so you take 3 a day. Then 4 a day. As many of you have experienced, one norco lasts less than 4 hours. So you take 1 norco every 4 hours, that is 6 a day. Then with tolerance over time, add 1 more per month to the daily amount taken. So, let's say at month one you take 6/day. Month 2, you take 7 a day. Month 3 you take 8 a day, etc. This is not crazy. You are trying to do it yourself. You don't tell the docs at this point because they will most DEFINITELY think you are an addict...drugseeker...the nurses scoff at you...where are you getting the meds from? Only an addict would even think of ordering from an online pharmacy, RIGHT??? You remember telling one doctor you were taking 12 vicodin a day (2 tablets every 4 hours--it works out), AND that you STILL WERE IN CONSTANT AGONY! You needed something stronger. He yells in disgust (while noting in your chart), WHO prescribed that???! You will become addicted! That is a serious drug! He tells you to take Naprocyn (NAPROCYN?!) and lie in bed for 2 days. You can't lie in bed!!! You can't stand! You can't sit! You can't think! You can't drive! You can't work! All that you can do (without tremendous pain) is walk.
Nowadays, if I can find (ie, afford--they are $50 ea) oxy 80s I take 2 a day. Is that crazy? For someone who has had disabling pain for 3 years? They only last 12 hours you know; or less if you chew them (that's really the only relief I get). And what is 2 oxy 80s? Equivalent to about 16-20 Norco (10/325) a day, right? Would you need to double dip, triple dip, more? What would you do to relieve your pain? What would you do to end the suffering? I tell you one thing I wish that I had been under a doctor's care. Who can I tell? I want a the guidance and advice of a compassionate doctor. If the bleeping doctors did their jobs better, none of us would be on this board even. Except maybe the drug addicts. But how can a doc ever really tell. Some pain defies tests. I rather rx a drug to an addict by mistake then keep a pain medication away from a legitamate pain patient!!! People are killing themselves. Have you ever felt like killing yourself just to stop the endless pain? I can handle some intense pain short-term, but day after day, month-after-month, year-after-year??? And even if you do have a tolerance/or addiction. (Big difference by the way!) You can function very well on opiates (better than you can in screaming agony), and they do not harm your body over the long-haul (unlike, tylenol, ibuprofen, alleve, etc.).
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TLT
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Toe, I feel for you, It is a proven fact, told to me from my PM Dr. that a pt on a long-acting opioid, should be medicated with a BT med as well, it should be equivalent to one third of your long-acting med.In this case you would still only be put on 10 mg of BT meds.
It seems to me, that they need to titrate your morphphine dose up 50 percent and then your BT meds would be at 20mg.
I would definitly be finding another Dr., especially if you have a legitimate injury. I will never understand why drs are so afraid of addiction, when the studies show, how rare it is. I believe the term they use for dr's that are afraid of prescribing opioids pain meds are referred to, as having "opio-phobia."
Good luck
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caramello51
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and imo the only thing wrong with "addiction" is the fact that is it very expensive and difficult to maintain. if a person needs painmeds, what is wrong with being "addicted"? i just don't understand. prolly the drug companies/government/people are too stupid to be able to know what is best for themselves, mentality.
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Boobetty
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I have to agree here with you...I for one had to be taken off OXY and Derigisic..I was alergic to the stuff...now now I have to take up to 6-8 per day of Norco..This is the only way I can live without pain...yes I can get away with 6 but then the pain level will rise to a level of discontent..(feel your pain toe) that I have to take two in the middle of the night hence the 8....I do not have an addiction, I have a dependency I depend on this drug to help me through my life and daily trials and tribulations... Please remember that there is a difference between additcion and dependenc...I here all the time people uesing two OP's..expecially the ones that only give out 60 per time...so as far as double dipping...we need to talk to the goverment about it..hope that Bush gets a big ol pain in his upper lower and mid back...and as I remember it being on the news..Pres...Kennedy had this same problem...he was allways being treated for this...I am not saying that DD is a good thing...but sometimes people in a real situation HAVE to do it...and I am not putting myself out there saying I do it...but would if I had to...one other thing...you sometimes need a back up with these OP's..they scew up orders, are late, rip off medications..ect..ok off my soap box...I do agree that if it is an addiction..the guy needs to get help...and boy he must be rich....JMHO..BOO... 
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That is an interesting point you just hit on about President Kennedy. That guy was on all kinds of drugs- uppers, downers, tranqs, pain meds, alcohol, and if Viagra existed I'm sure he'd be using that. I do wish that the people in authority today would experience the kind of unrelenting pain we live through. Double dipping is a not the greatest of ideas, but sometimes, I guess, it's just unavoidable.
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Billyl
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The laws or lack of laws for prescribing where quite different when JFK was president. Take care. Billylll
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soc
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I agree that "addiction" is not the same as dependency for true Cper's. Tolerance can and does develop after time however that's not an "addict". I would love for my pain to disappear and never need another med for pain. Cp is a condition just like other's that require maintenance meds. When in pain and life is taken over by the pain, many have to do what's necessary to have some quality of life. Double dippers should realize a price may have to be paid for this, but if the pain is not relieved, I'm not throwing the first stone! Addiction is not the problem for most of us and if the medical community would educate themselves, CP would be just another genuine malady to be treated. This is IMHO. Soc
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Billyl
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I would recommend trying to find a compassionate local doctor. Do not stop looking. My personnal feelings are that I will not break the law by double dipping, no matter what the circumstances. It is very easy to get trapped on the OP ferrus wheel. It's also easy to justify breaking the law when double or whatever number of OP's one can use. I can't blame anyone for rationalizing DD'ing. After all back in the late 60's early 70's many of us were introduced to a new educational program called situation ethics, basically being taught to ignore the rule of law. Justifying our actions determined by what threshold we would reach before breaking the law. There are laws in place in many states for doctor shopping and if you get caught the penalties can be from one end of the spectrum to the other. Meaning probation with drug testing to incarciration. If you think your pain is bad now with a limited number of medications imagine what it would be like to be completly cutoff immediatly. Charges like these can ruin your life and at the least interupt your dreams. It's just not something I would condone given the ramifications. Do people get away with it?, sure I just wouldn't want to be in the percentage that does get caught and prosecuted.
Take care. Billylll
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prettyday
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Legan 11-good point about the politicos; I believe we will see that start to happen. Remember too, they go home to spouses and families that probably are beginning to wrestle with this, too.
Dragonlove--that was an incredible post. I felt like you were a fly on my wall. You captured perfectly the whole monstrous sequence.
Boobetty--isn't it ironic that learning to live with the pain takes all your time and then, you're lazy: But if you're medicated into functioning, then you're an addict!
Billy--you give the best advice here of all. The best choice is someone local who has all the names, dates, and reasons for one's affliction.
Until then, thank Heaven I found you all!
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Boobetty
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Thank you for saying that Billy...you hit it right on point..I have to tell you that I did have a local PMD..but he quit the biz due to the malpractice insurance and people that double dip and the fact that the insurance industry has so much more to say about our health care...for instance..I have panic attacts..they are minor...but I get them a few times a month so I go to my GP...well I get a letter with my insurance copy stating they will no longer pay unless I get there permission for this??????$60 a visit and the meds are a bit over 20 bucks...really erks me that this is happening to us and to fine doctors that are really compationate...he told me he was going to write a letter to the president...I reminded him of that comercial of that lady calling and asking for the pres and he got on the phone and she asked about some kind of insurane help..think it was AARP..he said..sure no problem..anything eles....anyway sorry to ramble...hate to be in this life and wish I didnt have to be...my family lives with it with me and has to pay the price...Pink thank you for your kind PM...take care and happy 4th to all...Boobetty
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ttrr
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I see the problem here (as some here do) that the OPs pretty much prescribe the same thing -- #90 for 25-30 days. That, to some degree, ignores individual needs. It is simply illogical to believe that all of us can make do with (or on the other hand even NEED) 3 pills/day. There is nothing clinically wrong with taking 10-12 10/325s per day if your health is otherwise ok and your pain management requires it. People who double and triple dip to get to those numbers are, in most cases, not abusing drugs but controlling their pain. That said, a local doc is a better choice. But it is too bad that OPs won't do more when the situation calls for it. They are in essence forcing people to double and triple up.
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Daycamp72
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I have actually made an appointment with a pain management doc for next month. After reading these posts, I found that I was not the ONLY one who needs more than 30mg x day of hydro.
I truly want to be honest with my pain doc, but HOW do I explain how I know what medication and how much medication WORKS for my pain without mentioning OPs?
Thanks,
Chris
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TLT
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ttrr, Great point!!!
Chronic pain is definitly being under-treated, I have a herniated disc, and My GP used to allow me #120 5/500 vicodin, per month, WOW he thought that he was over-medicating me, and accused me of being a drug-seeker when I asked for a higher strength.
I now see a pain specialist, he has me on a long-acting pain med, along with an IR med. I no longer have to worry about having adequate pain relief.
I have read so many study's that prove that only a few # of pts that are taking narcotic pain meds,long term, actually get addicted, and these few have usually had some type of problem in the past, with addiction. I know that without having this new Dr, I would probably have to DD.
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PrivateRealm
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TLT--I agree with you. Honestly, I do not DD as I do not need to, and if it comes to that, then I will first do my best to find a PM doctor. I understand why people in pain would go to any length to control it. My problem are those who are getting meds from many places for recreational usage. That, not the medications themselves, is what gives pain patients, and their doctors, a bad name.
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zorg
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Lots of good points here, I just want to point out that OP's aren't "forcing" us to do anything. Also, I want to point out something particularly scary: I've been to FOUR PM docs in this area now with a condition so well documented it would not be illogical to prescribe duragesic and actiq, and have not been offered even 1/2 the relief of average OP quantities. I am starting to really get concerned I will not find a competent pain doc, and I think much of the reason is the fact that I look very young with bleach blonde hair. I have to start travelling to Chicago to keep trying to seek help, these docs are very elusive in some areas! One positive, I did get a TENS unit from my last appointment, and that has helped take the edge off, so for that I am happy. I just wanted to express that a) we are not being "forced" into anything, technically (but I sympathize personally with the plight, I have been one click away from dd'ing several times), and b) some areas REALLY ARE as devoid of competent pain physicians as some say. I'm living it.....
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colbycheese
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Hey Kathy...
Every time I read posts on this topic, I get fired up again. You know probably at least half of the people on this, and most of the other boards are double, triple, or even quadruple dipping. You'd be amazed at some of the PM's I've recieved from people about the dillemmas they've gotten themselves into. I don't post much on this board, mostly the VIP board, and I think because I had so many PM's from people here about it. It's rampant though, on both sides, and everywhere.
I want to totally back you on this. You're right, it's not OK, and hurts us all in the end if you get caught, because it gives the appearance (true or not) of illegitamite complaints/conditions. There are OP's out there that can prescribe 120 tabs, and some that will do even more, you just have to know who they are! If you look you'll find them, even in this forum, and I'm talking about US OP's. MPC is only one of them. Thing is, there are too many recreational users, even on the boards here. There's no system that's perfect, but it could be better, and I think that ALL OP's should require either past records, or a new exam. I don't know of anyone that can justify not being able to get some type of record, past or present, and have a legitimate complaint. PERIOD.
Eventually, there may come a day when all the OP's are put under some regulations. I can almost guarantee you that one of them will be providing records documenting your complaint (whatever it may be).
There are so many advantages to having good records, I don't know where to start, and they're too numerous to list, but mainly you're going to be able to use a better OP. One that's cheaper, prescribes more tabs per month, and won't be shut down!
Now I never persecute anyone who double-dips, and all their info is kept between myself and that person, but I do know plenty of people like this. I will give everyone the same advice that I give them, do one of the following:
1. Get with an OP that will prescribe you what you need
(If need be, I'll provide the name in a PM)
2. Find a good pain doctor
3. Regulate your intake, so you don't have to double dip
All of these are good options to double dipping, so I hope that someone takes this to heart. If you get caught by an OP, you'll more than likely just lose your refills. If it's the "law", then you might get in a little more trouble. If it's your insurance (which is pretty boneheaded), you can actually lose your insurance, or they'll give the info to your doc, and the local PD.
It's just not worth the risk anymore, and I do hope to see more people do one of the above, for the sake of all. People just don't realize what's at stake. What if one day you woke up and no more OP's? Then what? Obviously it wouldn't happen that quickly, but laws can sure do some damage to our wonderful OP's, and telemedicine. I personally would like to be able to write my congressman and say with confidence that this is a good system, with mostly good people who truly have a need for this treatment option. We're all here because we can't obtain the appropriate treatment for one reason or another (hopefully). I don't want to lose this right, as I'm sure most feel the same way.
If I can help someone find an OP that will prescribe what you need, and you're legitimate (with RECORDS), send me a PM, and I'll happily direct you to a good OP that can supply you with an adequate amount of drugs.
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PrivateRealm
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I have seen it mentioned on other posts before, but could you enlighten me as to what a "TENS" unit is?
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zorg
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Whupps sorry about that, I am guilty of not expanding acronyms quite often...
It's a "Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation" device.
Mine, and I believe most are similar, is a little walkman-sized device that takes a nine volt battery, and connects to leads that then connect to electrodes (sticky pads) that you place on either side of the pain source... just by stickin' em on your skin.
If you think you may benefit I think most docs will give you a loaner for 30 days so you can try it out, then if you don't want to buy or bill it to insurance you can send it back to the medical company or doctor. Mine came with the UPS pre-paid and everything, but I'm keeping this bad boy, it has definetely helped enough to justify keeping it. If I'm in a flare, which i JUST was, it took enough edge off to actually get up. A major advance in my case!
It reportedly works by interfering with the pain signals transmitted from the source to the brain. I think there is more to it but that's what the layman info in the manual here says.
PM me or follow-up if you need any more info, I'd be glad to help if you want!
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chevygal
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privaterealm
I am glad you asked that question, as I was unsure what it was myself. Now that I know, when I was 16 I have servere nerve damage and lost the use of my right arm (very long story) I was given one of those I don't know that they had a name for it as I do beleive it was new then. I am going to have tell my father about this and that it has a name to it. THis was 25 yrs ago(I am 41 now). Very interesting.
chevygal
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Jeffster
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I've seen a Few of these questions out there but wanted to ask my own to save a friend from getting into trouble if possible. My Brother In-Law is on his 3rd Knee Surgery and has a flow of Hydro's coming in from his Ortho (180/Month--Uses Insurance for everything--State of Colorado). He is also using an OP for Hydros (120/Month--Uses Cash for Everything--This Script is for Back Pain versus Knee--Not sure of the State but its not Colorado). He is Getting the exact same Med. He is doing this because he needs more for the time being than his Ortho will give him (This May or May Not Change in the Future)
With the State Monitoring Laws--Do you think Someone could find out about this--Would it make a Difference if the scripts are being used for 2 different Documented Ailments. I keep telling him No. But wanted to ask you guys so I can pass it on before He gets into trouble. He thinks the different States and the fact that one is paid with Cash will protect him in addition to the 2 different Ailments. Lets just say for worse case scenerio that both States involved do some type of Monitoring CIII--Do the States Ever get together to compare Notes on Patients or is it possible to have 50 Scripts--1 in Each State. Thanks Ahead of Time!!!
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PrivateRealm
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Legally, it probably would not make ant differanc that he had two differant ailments. It would be better if he could get enough meds from one doctor to cover the amount of pain he is in, or better yet, get into pain management theraoy in order to get stronger, longer acting medications. He needs to weight the risk of his possibly getting caught with his pain and what he wants to continue to do about it. Because either way it works out, he is, in fact, getting the same med from 2 sources. I am sorry to hear of his pain.
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Jeffster
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Thanks for the Reply Keri--Any other People with Any Comments.
Thanks
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garyr
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I agree Private Realm. Its not at all difficult to DD, even from the same OP, but if defeats the true function of OP in the long run. It's the rec users who will make it harder for true pain people. I know how to get OC and MS, when Im having really bad pain days, but never talk about it for those exact reasons.
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TLT
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tripperd, THE only pharmacy that I'm aware of,that link their datat-bases together is, walgreens.
I would be more concerned of his intake of APAP, hopefully he is not taking anything stronger than 325mg of APAP, per hydro. Even at that rate, taking them every single day, can cause liver problems.
Toe, you always give great advice, I only hope tha members will take you up on your offer,
Sonick, I also use a tens unit, so far it's seems to work great on my muscle pain. How is it working out for you? BTW, my ins paid 100% of the cost.
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Jeffster
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This is what he says he does--He uses Insurance and Walgreens to get his script of 180/Month 10/325 Hydros that he gets from his Local Ortho Doc in Colorado. Then he Uses Cash to get his script of 120/Month 10/325 Hydros from a OP and Pharmacy in another State for Back Pain. He takes a Total of 9-10/Day (Which seems like alot to me)--Could Walgreens in his own State find out about the Script in another State--The Pharmacy in the other state is a small Mom and Pop Pharmacy. He says his Ortho will not increase his amount locally so this is all he can do for now--He says he's in pain all day. Is there such a thing as a Federal Database where Big Brother can tell what your getting in any State at any time?? I dont want him to go to jail or something like that over this.
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