chrissy
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Reged: 02/07/03
Posts: 21
Loc: UK
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Hi,
I'm relatively new to DB and I think its a great and helpfull site.Being new to OP ordering I think ive done something quite foolish.I wanted to compare the shipment reliability of various online international Pharmacies,so I ordered from 3 OPs at once i.e. at least 3 different packages are going to come through customs (all to the same Address)
I live in the UK and I think customs are more lenient,but Im a little bit worried about all those international packages with my details going through customs in a limited time frame.
Could someone tell me what risk I've taken and the possible consequences.
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lovepink
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Reged: 01/01/02
Posts: 1476
Loc: NYC Metro Area
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Hi Chrissy
The Double Dipping that you've read about here is really only a cause for concern when someone uses two or more US consult-based OPs simultaneously. Many, many DB members order from multiple Int'l OPs at the same time. I don't know UK law but if its anything like it is in the US I really wouldn't worry about your packages clearing customs within a short time period of each other - you're actually probably more likely to receive at least one order if others are seized.
Good luck!
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chrissy
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Reged: 02/07/03
Posts: 21
Loc: UK
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thanx for the info,Lovepink
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jr06021121
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Reged: 02/20/03
Posts: 42
Loc: U.S.A.
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Does anyone know what would happen if you ordered from 2 different US OP's within a weeks time and they BOTH used the same Pharmacy and you..."got caught double dipping".......would you get in any sort of legal trouble or just be "blacklisted" from both sites? Please advise a.s.a.p.
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Stacy
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Reged: 11/15/02
Posts: 245
Loc: USA
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I don't think they would do anything legally, but you would be blacklisted from both sites. Also, if you had a consult with a different company and they used the same pharmacy that pharmacy might refuse to fill that script also.
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Boobetty
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Reged: 12/30/01
Posts: 626
Loc: The windy City...Boo:)
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HI..you can not use the same pharmacy...the pharmacy will tell you they must cancel your refills on one of your order's...as far as being blacklisted... what the OP will most likely do is blacklist you from there database...it has been done before....you have to be very carefull when they use the same pharmacy...I guess you are just out the cost of a consult from one of those OP's you used...good luck...Boo..
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Trampy
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Reged: 04/02/02
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Loc: Southwest U.S.
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Contrary to what many here seem to believe, there is no federal law on "double dipping." The state laws vary widely. My state has no such law per se, but it makes it illegal to use an alias, provide any false information, or conceal a material fact, in order to obtain a controlled substance. That's the entire law in a nutshell.
So if a doctor (or web site) asks you what you're taking ... and you don't tell all ... i guess that could be considered an illegal act. And it doesn't matter if the OP is out of state ... the act of filling out that form or talking on the phone to a doctor occurs here.
But if the doctor doesn't ask, is it "concealing a material fact" to not mention it? That's the part that's vague.
The intent was to go after people who use multiple fake names and see multiple doctors for the same drug ... and they keep the other prescriptions a secret. It's obviously illegal to use a fake name.
We have electronic prescription monitoring, but it only applies to C-IIs that are sold in-state. Every once in a while they bust someone at an emergency room for going in for a Demerol shot or something and claiming a migraine when he just got treated for it down the street at a different hospital.
But mostly they use it to catch croakers. (Read Naked Lunch if you don't know what a croaker is.) They hardly ever use it against small-time users.
Some states have much more strict and specific laws. Mine doesn't.
Trampy
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Your mileage may vary ...
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lovepink
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Reged: 01/01/02
Posts: 1476
Loc: NYC Metro Area
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I guess I should clarify my post - I was in no way speaking of legal consequences of OP double dipping...I have never heard of legal action being taken against a customer who obtains or attempts to obtain meds simultaneously from two or more US OPs.
The point that I was trying to make is that Chrissy doesn't need to worry about simultaneous ordering from any number of Int'l OPs. The term "Double Dipping", as used here at DB, refers only to US OPs - the possible consequences of being "caught" are normally being blacklisted from those OPs who share information (because of a shared pharmacy, physician, or OPs under the same ownership) and forfeiting any outstanding refills...financial repercussions, not legal ones.
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Lovepink
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Caveman6666
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Reged: 01/15/03
Posts: 218
Loc: Earth
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Quote:
The term "Double Dipping", as used here at DB, refers only to US OPs - the possible consequences of being "caught" are normally being blacklisted from those OPs who share information (because of a shared pharmacy, physician, or OPs under the same ownership) and forfeiting any outstanding refills...financial repercussions, not legal ones.
Not to mention painful ones.
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Boobetty
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Reged: 12/30/01
Posts: 626
Loc: The windy City...Boo:)
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Hi, I know someone that got so called blacklisted from a pharmacy and OP.. and coudn't use that pharmacy anylonger...but this was last year so things might be different now concidering that $$$ and fast$$$ gets these OP's, maybe waiting a year for a new constult would be a good idea..I havent tried it yet..I can't remember if I used AAAmeds or 123meds so being that they are sisters I did get one fill from them before I had to send records..have them just didn't want to send them out anymore...way to much information....blacked out alot of my personal info on the last one I sent...SS#, doc's addy and number..stuff like that. I just think that you need to reasearch your pharmacies now...and soon in Florida it might just be ilegal to do this anyway from what I am reading here on this forem.. Boobetty
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living with pain is not living at all. Boo
Edited by Boobetty (04/06/03 04:52 AM)
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mello
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Reged: 11/02/02
Posts: 478
Loc: USA
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I'm thinking of trying Meds123 for my next consult...I'm currently using TDI as my pharmacy and Meds123 website says that their primary pharmacy is TDI (though the price list M123 sent me was much cheaper than what I pay for TDI through NWW ??) Anyway, I'm curious if it is considered double dipping if I don't wait until 25 days to schedule my consult after my last refill through NWW. Does anyone have any experience with this? I'm not trying to double dip and I definitely don't want to get blacklisted, but I DO want to make sure I get everything covered and not have to go a week without meds !
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Boobetty
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Reged: 12/30/01
Posts: 626
Loc: The windy City...Boo:)
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Hi Mello,
I wouldn't worry about it if the pharmacy has a 25 day wait policy...you can get all the primary stuff done fisrt and then they will just refill it as usuall....go ahead...I would
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living with pain is not living at all. Boo
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mello
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Reged: 11/02/02
Posts: 478
Loc: USA
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Thanks Boo  ...and by the way, I love your signature. That is so true, as I think everyone here knows. I think I'll go ahead and try the consult, I can always just ask them to make sure it's not a prob.
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chrissy
Stranger
Reged: 02/07/03
Posts: 21
Loc: UK
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Hi Lovepink,
You may find this hard to believe but everything that I ordered came through in good condition.
Regards chrissy
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dirtyb
Newbie
Reged: 03/28/03
Posts: 38
Loc: TN, USA
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So you got all three scripts without any problems?
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LongTrainRunning
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dirtyb
Newbie
Reged: 03/28/03
Posts: 38
Loc: TN, USA
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I would like to get something clear on this "double dipping" scenario. I got a prescription last week for hydro 10/500 60 count. Now, I take more than two a day for my pain but I only got enough for 2 a day for the 30 day deal. I don't want to get in any trouble or get blacklisted or any of that mess so what am I supposed to do about ordering for more meds? I have also found, through reading more threads, other OPs I would like to use because of lower prices, better service, etc... Any suggestions would be very helpful.
Thanks in advance!! PM me with any info on what I need to do!!
DirtyB
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mello
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Reged: 11/02/02
Posts: 478
Loc: USA
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From my understanding of her post, I don't think she ordered anything with a script. They seemed to all be from international OPs.
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dirtyb
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Reged: 03/28/03
Posts: 38
Loc: TN, USA
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My bad! Your right it was overseas. I must not be awake yet.
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LongTrainRunning
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whiterhino
Newbie
Reged: 04/18/03
Posts: 44
Loc: Kentucky
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still, though... what's the answer. i too have been using an o.p. that i am not at all happy with and i am scheduled for a consult with NWW tomorrow. i want to start getting my hydro from them, but i still have 9 days left before i'm due for my next refill at the other o.p., but i don't plan to use it. should i ask for hydro from nww? the pharmacies won't be the same, but i'm not sure if a persons script record is made common knowledge to all pharmacies or not. i would appreciate a fast response as my consult is tomorrow morning.
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be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be
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hottiefromky
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Reged: 05/29/03
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Did you get an answer to this question? Did you get your meds from both pharmacies and get your pain relief?
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14stones
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Reged: 06/18/03
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Loc: On the beach in California
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Have you recieved any answers hottie?
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Go that way really fast, if something gets in your way.....TURN! Always look on the bright side of life.
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monique
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Reged: 07/11/03
Posts: 13
Loc: south
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Trampy,
I thought it was important to tell you that double dipping is against FEDERAL LAW. OPs are controlled by the boards of pharmacy in every state they deliver to and operate in. Most OPs and pharmacies, though, do not prosecute when patients are caught because they do not want to go through the hassels and costs. But I believe they will prosecute if you pose enough of a risk to their companies.
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