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GF12323
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Article on counterfeit drugs
      #84145 - 06/24/03 11:25 AM

By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID



WASHINGTON (AP) - A major operation is planned this summer at international mail centers to counter a flood of counterfeit and unapproved drugs entering the country, the government said Tuesday.

Scientists and inspectors will target, examine and test packages, Elizabeth Durant of the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection told the House Energy and Commerce subcommittee on oversight and investigations.

Subcommittee Chairman Rep. James Greenwood, R-Pa., observed that the Miami international mail facility alone receives as many as 7 million packages containing drugs annually, a flow that has increased sharply in recent years as a growing number of people order pharmaceuticals through the mail.

William Hubbard, associate commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, presented a selection of drugs people had bought through the mail that turned out to be illegal, counterfeit or simply to have no active ingredient at all.

Counterfeit drugs can be fake products or may be generic copies of a real drug made and sold without FDA supervision or approval. Counterfeit drugs have long been problems in parts of the world. One study found one-third of malaria pills tested in parts of Asia contained no medication.

One Internet site that sells drugs shows an address in the United States but operates out of Thailand, Hubbard said. Another that claims to be Canadian ships drugs from India.

The FDA has no way to monitor the quality of drugs made abroad, Hubbard said, and in many cases what arrives has improper labeling or has not been properly stored or handled.

One man spent $1,500 for a four-year supply of a drug that has an expiration date in August, he said, and another received a vial containing tap water instead of the vital drug claimed on its label.

Durant said the FDA works with her agency in the effort to combat importation of drugs.

She did not detail the blitz campaign planned for this summer other than to say the two agencies plan to target both mailed drugs and travelers trying to bring in pharmaceuticals when they return to the United States.

Rep. Peter Deutsch, D-Fla., criticized the FDA's efforts in Florida. He said a staggering amount of drugs was entering the country without agency scrutiny.

"Thanks to a lack of leadership by (the Department of Health and Human Services) to devise some meaningful guidance for field staff, the Miami facility has become a shock and awe version of FDA mismanagement," Deutsch said.

In particular, Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., was critical of the agency for first holding and then releasing 1,233 shipments of imported generic Viagra. The agency then scrambled to warn purchasers that the drug was unapproved and might not contain the real chemical.

Viagra remains under patent protection, so any generic version automatically would be counterfeit under U.S. law and should not be allowed to be sold in this country.

John Taylor III, associate FDA commissioner, said the agency is reviewing what happened with that batch of drugs to ensure the mistake doesn't happen again.


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AngelRat
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Re: Article on counterfeit drugs [Re: GF12323]
      #84150 - 06/24/03 12:20 PM

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Counterfeit drugs can be fake products or may be generic copies of a real drug made and sold without FDA supervision or approval.




While bogus drugs are indeed bad, this also covers the realm of perfectly fine drugs the FDA will not endorse for the sake of the American Drug Lords (pharmaceutical companies).

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Re: Article on counterfeit drugs [Re: GF12323]
      #84198 - 06/24/03 05:49 PM

Quote: One Internet site that sells drugs shows an address in the United States but operates out of Thailand, Hubbard said. Another that claims to be Canadian ships drugs from India.
Tell me they don't read the boards!


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Re: Article on counterfeit drugs [Re: GF12323]
      #84203 - 06/24/03 06:41 PM

Customs at the Miami AirMail Facility have opened SEVEN MILLION packages of US Mail per year?? SEVEN MILLION?? Horrendous!This is mind boggling,I had NO idea they invaded THAT many Americans personal mail.
J.

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Re: Article on counterfeit drugs [Re: Jeremiah]
      #84205 - 06/24/03 07:04 PM

They are opening 7 million packages a year, at one airport? If they are working 24/7 they would have to open 800 packages an hour. I have no idea how many people are opening packages, but they can't be very thorough at that speed.

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Re: Article on counterfeit drugs [Re: JethroBodine]
      #84233 - 06/24/03 09:40 PM

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They are opening 7 million packages a year, at one airport? If they are working 24/7 they would have to open 800 packages an hour. I have no idea how many people are opening packages, but they can't be very thorough at that speed.




Well for regular people it's probably about 10, but for U.S. Gov't, it's probably more like 50 people. Good thing Bush cut taxes


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Re: Article on counterfeit drugs [Re: Jeremiah]
      #84268 - 06/25/03 02:42 AM

They did not say they opened, but received that many. The figure is most likely a projected estimate based upon a smaller sample of packages that they actually have opened.

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Re: Article on counterfeit drugs [Re: Billyl]
      #84296 - 06/25/03 08:14 AM

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Quote: One Internet site that sells drugs shows an address in the United States but operates out of Thailand, Hubbard said. Another that claims to be Canadian ships drugs from India.
Tell me they don't read the boards!




If anyone posting on DB thinks that the FDA/DEA is not reading DB on a regular basis, they are hopelessly naive. Two recent "Nurofen episodes" may in fact be Gov't postings to play with us -- psychological warfare. In fact the basis of article starting this thread is probably from a Gov't press release. Still customs will in all likelyhood more carefully scrutinize small packages for next few months and loss/seizure rate will go up. There may even be some photo event arrests and possibly even trials to increase DB paranoia.



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Re: Article on counterfeit drugs [Re: plotinus]
      #84340 - 06/25/03 12:44 PM

DB is not the only OP internet forum/chat around. This place is unique in the number of members on one web board (10,000+ users), but there are many other boards like this one. I doubt the feds would target this board for "psychological warfare", but it is possible.

What probably occurred in the latest nurofen posts was somebody that got ripped off or there is more to the story than that is being told.

If you want to see a LARGE community of drug buyers, check out the IRC sometime. But...you won't find a community like this one anywhere else.

There are millions of us lurking around all over the internet...

-EW


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Re: Article on counterfeit drugs [Re: plotinus]
      #84341 - 06/25/03 01:10 PM

I don't know if the nurofen plus problem was government or not but I found it fishy that someone would post a story like that and then delete it. If the story is true then we should be told of the consequences of ordering online. If the story is false, then shame on whomever is trying to whip us up into a frenzy.

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Re: Article on counterfeit drugs [Re: qbird]
      #84351 - 06/25/03 01:46 PM

There is no doubt that these arrests happen all the time. Plain and simple....receiving a controlled substance from another country into your home is illegal. They will enforce the law and people will get into legal trouble.

But the way these nurofen stories are told and all the incriminating details mentioned makes me wonder. And this is like the third nurofen story I've heard recently from that part of the world. It's a little strange...

-EW


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